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Old January 16th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #2401
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Vancouver already has some experience with BRT. The 99 B-Line was the first to go in and it is wildly popular and overcrowded even though it's just basically a limited stop bus running through mixed traffic. They desperately need to extend skytrain through this corridor as I often tell people to take the 84 as it uses the less crowded 4th Ave and gets to UBC from VCC-Clark in under 30 minutes flat even during rush hour. Broadway is packed and that 99 trip can often take upwards to 50 minutes from Broadway to UBC.

The 98 was a pretty good attempt through it's what 4 years of existance before it got torn up for Canada Line construction.

Time savings will come if they can create a BRT service where the buses do not need to stop at all except at stations so they can increase operating speeds to near rail level operating speeds. This means forcing regular traffic to stop when the "train on rubber tires" goes through an intersection or building overpasses.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 03:18 PM   #2402
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Evergreen Line as SkyTrain eh? Awesome. I think it helps to have one system in operation rather than many mini-systems. Good luck on the expansion of everything.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #2403
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The $2.8 billion, 12-km UBC extension will be a bored tunnel all the way. The $1.4 billion, 11-km Evergreen Line will be elevated for most of the route except for a 3-km bored tunnel. Boring is significantly more expensive than elevated.
Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the costs (I've been somewhat involved in Sound Transit's work here for years), I just didn't know it would be tunneled.

Why wouldn't they simply continue on from VCC-Clark?
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Old January 16th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #2404
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Time savings will come if they can create a BRT service where the buses do not need to stop at all except at stations so they can increase operating speeds to near rail level operating speeds. This means forcing regular traffic to stop when the "train on rubber tires" goes through an intersection or building overpasses.
So you have a) right of way for buses only, and b) impact on existing traffic. In those situations, because it's cheaper to run a 2-car train on hydro than two buses on diesel, and less expensive to maintain the right of way, we build rail lines instead.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 06:32 PM   #2405
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Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the costs (I've been somewhat involved in Sound Transit's work here for years), I just didn't know it would be tunneled.

Why wouldn't they simply continue on from VCC-Clark?
If I'm not wrong, that was the original idea. Not too sure if it has changed really. Even if it did continue from VCC-Clark, it would need to go underground.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #2406
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Yeah, the "UBC Line" is an extension of the existing Millennium Line, though I'm pretty sure in the provincial government press release they call it the "UBC Line" for some reason. Anyway, it will be an extension from VCC/Clark, and it sounds like it'll be underground, with it's next stop at Main Street, though there has been some talk of servicing the False Creek Flats area with a stop called Finning too.

There's also been some mention that this whole UBC line could run underneath 10th Ave rather than Broadway (which is 9th Ave), so as to avoid impacting Broadway altogether. Even if they tunnel the whole line they'll still have to make significant excavations for station construction I believe.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 08:31 PM   #2407
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If I'm not wrong, that was the original idea. Not too sure if it has changed really. Even if it did continue from VCC-Clark, it would need to go underground.
I have my fingers crossed. I dislike the current often long wait at Commercial Drive when I want to go to the museum of anthropology - the 99 B-Line can often take 15 minutes to arrive.

Is 10th the street that's considered the bicycle corridor now, or is that on the other side of Broadway?

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Old January 16th, 2008, 10:28 PM   #2408
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ouncement.html

On the second video link on the right, Campbell said he wants to see more projects by 2030, which include BRT to Squamish and some kind of "rail rapid transit" to Willowbrook in Langley and on King George. No one seems to have noticed this. :P
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:25 AM   #2409
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How long is a Mark II car? Would the current Expo/Millennium stations be able to handle a 5-car train?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:34 AM   #2410
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Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the costs (I've been somewhat involved in Sound Transit's work here for years), I just didn't know it would be tunneled.

Why wouldn't they simply continue on from VCC-Clark?
It will continue from VCC-Clarke. From VCC, the guideway would dive underground, make a turn to the south and head for Main Street and Broadway (or 10th Avenue). That still is the plan...they aren't revealing the exact details as it would just be too complicated for the public to understand.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:41 AM   #2411
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How long is a Mark II car? Would the current Expo/Millennium stations be able to handle a 5-car train?
A Mark II car is 18-metres long...a 5-car Mark II is 90-metres, longer than the 80-metre platform. I'm guessing two doors would have to stick out of the platform.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:42 AM   #2412
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ouncement.html

On the second video link on the right, Campbell said he wants to see more projects by 2030, which include BRT to Squamish and some kind of "rail rapid transit" to Willowbrook in Langley and on King George. No one seems to have noticed this. :P
Wow, that's a good find....BRT to Squamish.

Falcon on a radio interview said the Expo Line would see two further extensions by 2030: to Langley via Fraser Highway and to Newton via King George.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:05 AM   #2413
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Wow, that's a good find....BRT to Squamish.

Falcon on a radio interview said the Expo Line would see two further extensions by 2030: to Langley via Fraser Highway and to Newton via King George.
It might also tie into TransLink's study of luxury buses:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=143667

I'm sorry for those who are sick and tired of hearing Hong Kong now, but the KCR does have "first class rail cabins" and regular commuter cabins. I hope TransLink buses that go long ways or usually on highways can be slightly more comfortable - similar to the current Commuter Express Coaches with TVs =)
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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:09 AM   #2414
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Falcon on a radio interview said the Expo Line would see two further extensions by 2030: to Langley via Fraser Highway and to Newton via King George.
That's good news - it also implies a wye would be installed.
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It may be time to fantasize about Mk III vehicles! They would be 16 metres long so that a 5-car train would fit perfectly in our current 80 m platforms. It would buy us a lot of time and would be much cheaper than rebuilding the Expo Line stations.
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It may be time to fantasize about Mk III vehicles! They would be 16 metres long so that a 5-car train would fit perfectly in our current 80 m platforms. It would buy us a lot of time and would be much cheaper than rebuilding the Expo Line stations.
you mean 18-metres.
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you mean 18-metres.
18-metre cars is what we have now, but if they were made shorter (16 m) then five of them would fit alongside an 80-metre platform.

Anyway... how about an 80 metre train!
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Why would we want smaller cars, thus smaller trains and a smaller capacity? We need a greater capacity than what a 80-metre platform can give us. Even right now, we run 4-car Mark II trains....that's 72-metres, not far off from your 80-metre idea.

80-metres wouldn't be able to accommodate the growth in ridership 20 years down the road.
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HAHA just for fun, I was watching this video.

http://www.youtube.com/v/zFhOF7lPLng&rel=1

It's just a song by Joey Yung (容祖兒 陪我長大) and is used to advertise the merger between MTR and KCR. In this MV, she sings in both the MTR and KCR (not moving train) and with a bunch of chinese dancing around (that's not what happens in the MTR - more like pushing and shoving). You can also see the gates and the huge ass stations.

They do broadcast on TVB (Hong Kong's main entertainment/news network) as well as on MTR. Have you seen this yet Mr.X?

Here was the TV Advertisement Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgxtsdzOxE

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Why would we want smaller cars, thus smaller trains and a smaller capacity? We need a greater capacity than what a 80-metre platform can give us. Even right now, we run 4-car Mark II trains....that's 72-metres, not far off from your 80-metre idea.

80-metres wouldn't be able to accommodate the growth in ridership 20 years down the road.
That's true, 80-m trains wouldn't be enough at some point. But my point was that if we by tailored trains to platforms (rather than fitting platforms to trains) we might be able to buy some time so that the Expo Line improvements wouldn't have to be done at the same time as the Millennium Line extension and Coquitlam line.
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