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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:32 AM   #2441
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I just have a question regarding the transit plan (it didn't get answered in the other thread):

I believe there is a BNSF track running through White Rock, Delta, and Surrey to somewhere north. Will there be a possibility that a West Coast Express commuter train route be established there (instead of a BRT route), and does the new plan provide money for a North Burnaby station along the exisiting West Coast Express route?
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:01 AM   #2442
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I just have a question regarding the transit plan (it didn't get answered in the other thread):

I believe there is a BNSF track running through White Rock, Delta, and Surrey to somewhere north. Will there be a possibility that a West Coast Express commuter train route be established there (instead of a BRT route), and does the new plan provide money for a North Burnaby station along the existing West Coast Express route?
TransLink has studied the possibilities of having a South of Fraser "commuter-rail-like" route and they have said it can be done inexpensively (26-30 million), however, did not specify a date. But they are looking into doing so. Their plans is to introduce a rail service similar to the Ottawa O-Train, then integrating it into a LRT system. However, the service for both will only be between Scott Road Station and Langley City Centre.

West Coast Express has plans in having a North Burnaby station - nothing has happened yet. The Provincal Transit Plan did not include this.... at least not that I know of
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:06 AM   #2443
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^ yea, it's not just the merchants that are complaining it's also the residents. just yesterday, the media ran a story how first it was the trench and now, they've installed temporary tunnel fans that sound like 10 lawnmowers going on at once. Even mentioning cut and cover would be political suicide (not so much for the province, but for the city),
No Gregor Robinson and many other stupid NDPs will start saying "oh we can trust in our provincial government... blablablablablalba" God I hate that guy.

Now let's clarify this again as many have been still wondering why the M-Line extension (so called UBC line) is so expensive... SkyTrain uses Bombardier's ART (Advanced Rapid Transit) technologies and which is why SkyTrain is much more expensive than conventional rail. And no, we should not build UBC line with conventional rail OR LRT as there will be another needed transfer.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:54 AM   #2444
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No Gregor Robinson and many other stupid NDPs will start saying "oh we can trust in our provincial government... blablablablablalba" God I hate that guy.

Now let's clarify this again as many have been still wondering why the M-Line extension (so called UBC line) is so expensive... SkyTrain uses Bombardier's ART (Advanced Rapid Transit) technologies and which is why SkyTrain is much more expensive than conventional rail. And no, we should not build UBC line with conventional rail OR LRT as there will be another needed transfer.
Indeed. Build Evergreen and UBC with SkyTrain because it's a lot easier, but anytime you need a *new line* use something non-proprietary.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:31 AM   #2445
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Indeed. Build Evergreen and UBC with SkyTrain because it's a lot easier, but anytime you need a *new line* use something non-proprietary.
Agreed, like the Canada Line.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:44 AM   #2446
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^ from what i recall in the 2003 plans, the North Burnaby WCE Station should be complete this year...but i very much doubt it. I haven't heard of any plans to improve the WCE since.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 05:50 PM   #2447
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Wow, that's a good find....BRT to Squamish.

Falcon on a radio interview said the Expo Line would see two further extensions by 2030: to Langley via Fraser Highway and to Newton via King George.
They will have some kind of public transit bus service to Squamish long before 2030, right?
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Old January 19th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #2448
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I wonder why Kamloops wasn't involved in any of this, like Kelowna was. Kamloops honestly has the worst transit system I think, and in 12 years, Kamloops population will be well over 100,000 (probably around 130,000) So that kinda sucks
Does Kelowna have anything linking them to Vernon and Penticton yet, or is there anything of that sort in the plan?

I'd be surprised they don't have one yet, with the new UBCO and students bound to be commuting to it from the aforementioned cities.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 06:28 AM   #2449
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Indeed. Build Evergreen and UBC with SkyTrain because it's a lot easier, but anytime you need a *new line* use something non-proprietary.
I thought the evergreen line would require a transfer anyways....?? please correct me if Im wrong...

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Old January 20th, 2008, 07:14 AM   #2450
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I thought the evergreen line would require a transfer anyways....?? please correct me if Im wrong...

Cheers, m
The Evergreen Line, if it is SkyTrain, would not require a transfer if you are traveling east on the Millennium Line or traveling west on the Evergreen Line. But it will require a transfer if you are traveling west, before Lougheed Station.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:13 AM   #2451
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The Evergreen Line, if it is SkyTrain, would not require a transfer if you are traveling east on the Millennium Line or traveling west on the Evergreen Line. But it will require a transfer if you are traveling west, before Lougheed Station.
So if the Evergreen Line is built with Skytrain technology, then they'll interline it with the Millennium Line and have it share trackage out to VCC/Clark? Is that what you mean by no transfers?
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Old January 20th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #2452
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So if the Evergreen Line is built with Skytrain technology, then they'll interline it with the Millennium Line and have it share trackage out to VCC/Clark? Is that what you mean by no transfers?
Yes. In fact, the Evergreen Line will start at UBC...just like how today's Millennium Line starts right at Waterfront:
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Old January 20th, 2008, 11:01 AM   #2453
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Meaning that the SkyTrain lines in future could be...

Expo - Waterfront to King George & Surrey extension
Millenium - Waterfront to VCC-Clark/UBC
Evergreen - Coquitlam to VCC-Clark/UBC
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Old January 20th, 2008, 12:39 PM   #2454
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Meaning that the SkyTrain lines in future could be...

Expo - Waterfront to King George & Surrey extension
Millenium - Waterfront to VCC-Clark/UBC
Evergreen - Coquitlam to VCC-Clark/UBC
yup, but you shouldn't put VCC-Clarke in either of them. Don't forget the Canada Line, even though it's not officially being called SkyTrain.
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Well I put it that way cause if I'm not wrong Evergreen would be up by 2014 while UBC by 2020.

So that would make the Canada line the only rapid transit rail not to interline at all eh?
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Old January 20th, 2008, 11:38 PM   #2456
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Well that's the problem too. Technically the Canada Line is interlining with "itself", just not the rest of the SkyTrain system: reason is that it uses different rail technology and trains are wider, not compatible with the current SkyTrains.

See I think the Canada Line should be two seperate lines instead: one being Canada Line from Waterfront to Richmond and the other Airport Line from Waterfront to YVR-Airport. Personally, I think people understand this better.
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nah it makes sense as it is

unless someone is really dumb and can't figure it out
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Well that's the problem too. Technically the Canada Line is interlining with "itself", just not the rest of the SkyTrain system: reason is that it uses different rail technology and trains are wider, not compatible with the current SkyTrains.

See I think the Canada Line should be two seperate lines instead: one being Canada Line from Waterfront to Richmond and the other Airport Line from Waterfront to YVR-Airport. Personally, I think people understand this better.
that would be preferred, but i don't think it's absolutely necessary with the "Canada Line train to Vancouver International Airport" and "Canada Line train to Brighouse-Richmond City Centre" announcements when the train stops at each station....like the existing announcements on SkyTrain.
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Does Kelowna have anything linking them to Vernon and Penticton yet, or is there anything of that sort in the plan?

I'd be surprised they don't have one yet, with the new UBCO and students bound to be commuting to it from the aforementioned cities.

Well Vernon to Kelowna is 46km, not a super short distance, while Penticton is 68km from Kelowna, which is pretty far. I guess it would be tough to generate enough ridership to recoup operational costs.

Anyone have better knowledge about this one?

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Old January 22nd, 2008, 03:59 AM   #2460
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Man dies in crane collapse along Canada Line

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VANCOUVER / A 22-year-old man is dead after the crane he was operating along the Canada Line tipped over, pinning him underneath.

“It’s just a horrible day,” said Steve Crombie, spokesman for InTransitBC, the company contracted to design and construct the new rapid-transit line.

"A guy who came to work this morning and expected to go home tonight, isn’t going home. Nothing is worth that,” he said.

The accident happened around noon today.

The crane, located midway along the bridge deck on North Arm span between Richmond and Vancouver, was being used to deliver a bucket of material from off the main deck to a pedestrian walkway being contructed below.

Somehow, said Crombie, “the crane lost its centre of gravity. It tipped over and he [the crane operator] was trapped in the cab and crushed.”

All work been temporarily stopped along the construction line as several investigations into what went wrong get underway.

Police and fire crews are currently on scene, as are officials with Worksafe BC and the coroner’s service.

Crombie said InTransitBC will also launch its own internal investigation into the situation.

It is the first fatality during the Canada Line construction.

The name of the accident victim has not yet been released.

Crombie said the man was a certified crane operator. He had worked on the Canada Line for the past five months.





Terrible tragedy. My thoughts and prayers go to his/her family, friends, and co-workers.

I remember hearing about one fatality during the M-Line construction as well, a worker fell off the guideway. But it's just how construction business is...i have a friend who works part-time as a tradesman, and he was told by his boss that he has a 1 in 20 chance of being killed.

And I got to wonder, if it will cause any delays with the opening of the line. I last recalled that overall, the project was about a month ahead of schedule. And also, since the collapse was on the North Arm Bridge, was there any damage to the guideway itself? I don't know the size of the crane, but the impact could have caused cracks in the concrete.
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