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Old January 23rd, 2008, 04:42 AM   #2461
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I don't mind the messages as much... as long as you make it clear that the last transfer point stations like at bridgeport:

"Train bound to YVR-Airport on the Airport Line. Passengers to Richmond-bound stations on the Canada Line, please take the next train."
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:24 AM   #2462
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Or if there is some VMS (variable messaging sign) in the stations stating where the next train is heading to.

Who could hear the annoucements? I'd be listening to my iPod.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:33 AM   #2463
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there will be LED displays at the stations and on the trains outside and inside
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:14 AM   #2464
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Translink buys 141 Diesel-Electric Hybrid buses (32 fleet expansion, 109 replacement)

(A cut and past of my post on SSP)

January 23, 2008
TransLink, Nova ink hybrid bus deal

TransLink CEO Pat Jacobsen has announced an $81.5 million deal with Quebec’s Nova Bus for 141 new diesel-electric ‘hybrid’ buses for delivery beginning next spring.

The new buses run on electricity generated by a small diesel engine. Compared to the newest generation diesel buses, the new hybrids will cut greenhouse gas emissions and improve fuel efficiency by 20 per cent.

“The purchase is really two shades of green,” says Jacobsen. “This order adds 32 buses to our fleet in 2009, with Surrey and the South of Fraser to see 25 more buses as a result, giving more people a cleaner, greener alternative to driving. The remaining 109 will replace some of the oldest vehicles in TransLink’s fleet and reduce all emissions, some by as much as 97 per cent per bus.

She adds that TransLink will order more buses this year for delivery in late 2009. “Since 2006, TransLink has purchased more than 620 new buses of all types to modernize the fleet and expand services. We are extremely grateful for the funding support from the federal gas tax revenue sharing program, without which we simply couldn’t have done as much.”

This latest purchase is in addition to the 126 Nova diesel buses, which began arriving in Vancouver in the summer of 2007. Each of those buses has the lowest greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions profile of any non-electric bus in the TransLink fleet. The latest deal with Nova includes an option to purchase another 110 buses.

TransLink’s new Nova diesel buses have already impressed operators and transit passengers with their style, comfort, manoeuvrability and quiet operation. The Allison Parallel hybrid drive system that will power the latest order performed well in TransLink’s Bus Demonstration project, which involved comprehensive field tests of various bus technologies. Electrically powered vehicles such as trolleys and the new Nova hybrids deliver their best performance on low speed stop-and-go routes.

Nova Bus is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Volvo Bus Corporation, the world’s second largest motor coach and transit bus manufacturing group. The arrival of the Nova LFS Diesels in 2007 marked the first time the buses had gone into service in Metro Vancouver.


Backgrounder: TransLink’s New Fleet of Nova LFS HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) buses

* 141 Nova LFS HEV buses will begin arriving in Spring 2009, 32 will expand TransLink’s fleet and 109 will replace older buses.

* Nova, based in St-Eustache, Quebec and owned by Volvo Group, has been producing buses since 1979, and its customers in Western Canada include BC Transit and transit systems in Regina, Whitehorse, Banff and Strathcona, Alberta.

* The Nova LFS HEV is assembled entirely in Canada, and its unique features include:

o Stainless steel and fiberglass frame construction to eliminate corrosion

o Approx. 800 kg lighter than comparable diesel buses, which helps to lower fuel consumption

o This makes the Nova LFS HEV the cleanest, most fuel-efficient non-trolley buses in the history of TransLink ‘s fleet

* 109 of the new Nova Hybrids will replace some of the oldest buses in TransLink’s fleet, reducing all emissions per bus, some by up to 97 per cent:


1990 MCI Classic 2008 Nova LFS HEV
Carbon Monoxide 4.94 g/km 0.34 g/km
Oxides of Nitrogen 16.69 g/km 3.9 g/km
Volatile Organics 1.08 g/km 0.04 g/km
Particulate matter 0.6 g/km 0.015 g/k

* The Nova LFS has facilities for two wheelchairs, and its large entrance area makes it easier for wheelchairs and scooters to board and disembark.

* The arrival of the Nova hybrid buses in 2009 will allow TransLink to meet its expansion targets, including a planned increase of 25 buses in Surrey and the South of Fraser and 10 additional buses to modernize and expand transit on the North Shore.

* TransLink plans further bus orders this year for delivery in late 2009.


The NOVA Bus Diesel-Electric Hybrid Fact Sheet





* Mods, just a thought, could this thread become a sticky?
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:43 AM   #2465
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posted by Vancouverite:


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(A cut and past of my post on SSP)

January 23, 2008
TransLink, Nova ink hybrid bus deal

TransLink CEO Pat Jacobsen has announced an $81.5 million deal with Quebec’s Nova Bus for 141 new diesel-electric ‘hybrid’ buses for delivery beginning next spring.

The new buses run on electricity generated by a small diesel engine. Compared to the newest generation diesel buses, the new hybrids will cut greenhouse gas emissions and improve fuel efficiency by 20 per cent.

“The purchase is really two shades of green,” says Jacobsen. “This order adds 32 buses to our fleet in 2009, with Surrey and the South of Fraser to see 25 more buses as a result, giving more people a cleaner, greener alternative to driving. The remaining 109 will replace some of the oldest vehicles in TransLink’s fleet and reduce all emissions, some by as much as 97 per cent per bus.

She adds that TransLink will order more buses this year for delivery in late 2009. “Since 2006, TransLink has purchased more than 620 new buses of all types to modernize the fleet and expand services. We are extremely grateful for the funding support from the federal gas tax revenue sharing program, without which we simply couldn’t have done as much.”

This latest purchase is in addition to the 126 Nova diesel buses, which began arriving in Vancouver in the summer of 2007. Each of those buses has the lowest greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions profile of any non-electric bus in the TransLink fleet. The latest deal with Nova includes an option to purchase another 110 buses.

TransLink’s new Nova diesel buses have already impressed operators and transit passengers with their style, comfort, manoeuvrability and quiet operation. The Allison Parallel hybrid drive system that will power the latest order performed well in TransLink’s Bus Demonstration project, which involved comprehensive field tests of various bus technologies. Electrically powered vehicles such as trolleys and the new Nova hybrids deliver their best performance on low speed stop-and-go routes.

Nova Bus is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Volvo Bus Corporation, the world’s second largest motor coach and transit bus manufacturing group. The arrival of the Nova LFS Diesels in 2007 marked the first time the buses had gone into service in Metro Vancouver.


Backgrounder: TransLink’s New Fleet of Nova LFS HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) buses

* 141 Nova LFS HEV buses will begin arriving in Spring 2009, 32 will expand TransLink’s fleet and 109 will replace older buses.

* Nova, based in St-Eustache, Quebec and owned by Volvo Group, has been producing buses since 1979, and its customers in Western Canada include BC Transit and transit systems in Regina, Whitehorse, Banff and Strathcona, Alberta.

* The Nova LFS HEV is assembled entirely in Canada, and its unique features include:

o Stainless steel and fiberglass frame construction to eliminate corrosion

o Approx. 800 kg lighter than comparable diesel buses, which helps to lower fuel consumption

o This makes the Nova LFS HEV the cleanest, most fuel-efficient non-trolley buses in the history of TransLink ‘s fleet

* 109 of the new Nova Hybrids will replace some of the oldest buses in TransLink’s fleet, reducing all emissions per bus, some by up to 97 per cent:


1990 MCI Classic 2008 Nova LFS HEV
Carbon Monoxide 4.94 g/km 0.34 g/km
Oxides of Nitrogen 16.69 g/km 3.9 g/km
Volatile Organics 1.08 g/km 0.04 g/km
Particulate matter 0.6 g/km 0.015 g/k

* The Nova LFS has facilities for two wheelchairs, and its large entrance area makes it easier for wheelchairs and scooters to board and disembark.

* The arrival of the Nova hybrid buses in 2009 will allow TransLink to meet its expansion targets, including a planned increase of 25 buses in Surrey and the South of Fraser and 10 additional buses to modernize and expand transit on the North Shore.

* TransLink plans further bus orders this year for delivery in late 2009.


The NOVA Bus Diesel-Electric Hybrid Fact Sheet





* Mods, just a thought, could this thread become a sticky?
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Old January 25th, 2008, 08:06 AM   #2466
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^ You know, I must have looked right through that sticky a dozen times tonight. Thanks for the move mr.x
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Old January 26th, 2008, 04:55 AM   #2467
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Some updates by Tafryn, Jan 17:


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Old January 26th, 2008, 07:14 AM   #2468
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Big update by Tafryn, Jan. 18:

BRIDGEPORT OMC WITH NEW TRAINS!

























BRIDGEPORT OMC WITH NEW TRAINS!


























YVR-AIRPORT STATION







NORTH ARM BRIDGE





BRIDGEPORT STATION















OAKRIDGE-41ST AVENUE STATION - note the platform pillars


















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Old January 26th, 2008, 08:35 PM   #2469
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How big are those vehicles as compared to a MK11?
Also will the train actually consist of just one of those vehicles or two?
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How big are those vehicles as compared to a MK11?
Also will the train actually consist of just one of those vehicles or two?
One Mark II train is 2-articulated cars, 36-metres in length:

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One Rotem Canada Line train is 2-articulated cars, 41-metres in length:

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Old January 27th, 2008, 04:00 AM   #2471
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And width wise, the Rotem trains are 3m wide.
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And width wise, the Rotem trains are 3m wide.
The Mark II's are 2.5 metres wide....the Canada Line cars are 20% wider.
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Nonetheless disturbing to think that 6 car Mark II trains will be running on the expo line in the fairly near future. 20% wider and 5m longer really has nothing on that.
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Nonetheless disturbing to think that 6 car Mark II trains will be running on the expo line in the fairly near future. 20% wider and 5m longer really has nothing on that.
Canada Line is pretty limiting, yes.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 08:33 PM   #2475
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You must be pointing out the potential bottleneck at Broadway and Cambie. I've thought about that too. I don't believe the Millenium Line would completely overwhelm the Canada Line any time soon. I think the idea of six car Mark II trains is to deal with the heavily used Expo Line. The Millenium Line is pretty far from being six packed cars. If there is a threat of that happening, they can always max out and expand the capacity for the Canada Line, and there are a few ways they can do that. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the bulk of people that would use the Millenium Line extension will not be dumping out at Cambie. A lot will want to transfer, but a lot will continue west or east. You've also got to take into account that as many people will be getting off the Canada Line at Broadway, therefore freeing up space.
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I'd say give the Canada Line 15-20 years before it reaches its absolute capacity.

The only way you can "cheaply" increase capacity is:
- buying more cars (there are only 40 cars; makes only 20 trains)
- extending the platforms to 50-metres to fit an additional mini-car
- increase frequency with more trains

"Cheaply" compared to a total system rehaul.

I mean, 50-metres is extremely short-sighted and it does raise the question if the public will take this as a serious transportation alternative. 50-metre platforms is something you would see in Lausaunne, Switzerland...tiny metropolitan areas, not a massive metro area like Vancouver - even if Richmond is not a planned growth area.
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If the planned skytrain expansion goes forward as planned something will be done regardless of whether it ends up being expensive, as it will eventually put too much pressure on the Canada Line, and put pressure on the rapid transit system as a whole.
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Just like our road system.
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In 2044, SNC-Lavalin/InTransitBC's 35-year operations contract for the Canada Line would be over and I see that to be a good time for major improvements to the system.

Like how we're spending more than $3 billion to improve and expand the Expo Line, we'd spend quite a bit as well to increase the capacity of the Canada Line. A fortune would be spent on extending the platforms beyond 50-metres. This could be done at the expense of the taxpayer, with the Canada Line returning to publicly-run operations, or the contract with InTransitBC could be renewed and part of the contract could be to extend the platforms.

But within that 35-year contract, all platforms would be extended to 50-metres and more cars would be purchased.

Some say that the Arbutus line would solve the Canada Line congestion issues, but I doubt it will to a point it would be a long-term solution. It'd certainly relieve some pressure from the Canada Line, but in time again it will be back to just how it was before.
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