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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:45 AM   #2501
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Like I said, the increased trains are great but that is 50% greater capcity than now not double.
Currently the stations can handle 2 MK11 cars or 6 MK1. That photo shows capacity at 3MK11 trains or equiv of 9 MK1. Don't get me wrong, that is great but not double.
Also even with that pic that still won't bring it up to subway capacity.
How many times do I have to tell you the picture below ISN'T ONE MARK II CAR? IT'S TWO MARK II CARS! THE JOINT ARTICULATION DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE ONE CAR!



THIS MEANS EXISTING 80-METRE PLATFORM STATIONS CAN HANDLE 4-CAR MARK II TRAINS!!!!!!!! NOT TWO-CAR MARK II TRAINS! ARGHH!

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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:19 AM   #2502
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Hee hee, Vancouver must be in ruins by now...

So what is the final design of the Bridgeport Station supposed to look like? I don't think i've found any links...
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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:53 AM   #2503
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So what is the final design of the Bridgeport Station supposed to look like? I don't think i've found any links...
Go to the first page of this topic, then go to post #12.

I posted every detail and rendering of every publicly known component of the Canada Line on the first page of this topic. Go through that page and look for the Brighouse-Richmond City Centre Station post.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #2504
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The North Burnaby West Coast Express Station was canceled afaik.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #2505
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Wow, that's a good find....BRT to Squamish.

Falcon on a radio interview said the Expo Line would see two further extensions by 2030: to Langley via Fraser Highway and to Newton via King George.
Well, Falcon's not the smartest dictator I've ever encountered. I'm not sure extending to Langley and to Newton is smart - given the capacity limitations on the Columbia to Waterfront stretch. Will longer trains solve this? Maybe for a while, but I think they need to start thinking about the quality of the line from New West - if the line is extended further out, the trains will be full when getting closer to Vancouver.

In London England, plans to extend the Victoria Line were shelved because the current line is beyond capacity and the system could not absorb the extension without extensive resignalling (to transmission-based signalling).

Anyway - back to Falcon. Did anybody catch the new names of the system when finished?:

1. Expo Line will be renamed "Falcon Line"
2. Evergreen Line will be extended to UBC and to Coquitlam
3. Millenium Line will disappear off the map - Lougheed to Columbia will be transferred to the Falcon Line, and Lougheed to VVC will be transferred to the Evergreen Line
4. The Canada Line will be renamed "Ever-in-the-red Line"

All stations will have large portraits of Kevin Falcon over the entrances
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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:07 PM   #2506
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well time to get the liberals out off office when you have that chance....

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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:27 AM   #2507
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are the BRT lines planned in the 14B transportation plan supposed to be full BRT lines (full right-of-way, enclosed stations, no stopping at intersections) or lines similar to our B-lines currently?

when are the details going to be released on the transportation plan?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 03:52 AM   #2508
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How many times do I have to tell you the picture below ISN'T ONE MARK II CAR? IT'S TWO MARK II CARS! THE JOINT ARTICULATION DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE ONE CAR!



THIS MEANS EXISTING 80-METRE PLATFORM STATIONS CAN HANDLE 4-CAR MARK II TRAINS!!!!!!!! NOT TWO-CAR MARK II TRAINS! ARGHH!

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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:00 AM   #2509
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Fine, fine.......but whatever you want to call the trains it doesn't change the fact that the picture shown is NOT double the current capacity.
It is 50% increase in capacity not 100% increase.
Going by your definition the current station can handle 4 MK11 cars or 6 MK1. That pic is of 6 MK11 cars not 8.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:15 AM   #2510
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Fine, fine.......but whatever you want to call the trains it doesn't change the fact that the picture shown is NOT double the current capacity.
It is 50% increase in capacity not 100% increase.
Going by your definition the current station can handle 4 MK11 cars or 6 MK1. That pic is of 6 MK11 cars not 8.
You have to remember that not all of the Mark II trains are running in 4-car formations, which is the existing station capacity. Most of the Mark II's are running in the 2-car articulated train formation (36-metres in length).

Add to the fact that frequency will be increased and longer trains will be used ($1 billion set aside for new SkyTrain cars), capacity will be doubled. And the older Mark I trains will be running in 8-car formation.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:37 AM   #2511
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well time to get the liberals out off office when you have that chance....
Who you going to replace them with? The NDP? Yeah their track record is just awesome.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:56 AM   #2512
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I can't see that NDP transportation critic running for minister of transportation, after the provincial transit plan, she could only comment on the lack of fare adjustment - not the fact that the transit plan was actually a transit package, where many of the routes are already plans by TransLink and BC Transit, as well as addressing other transit routes that are much needed in Victoria, etc.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 09:05 AM   #2513
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Right now Skytrain is running at a capacity to transport 9000 PPPHD.... I'm saying at a train every 2 minutes, that's 30 trains an hour with an average of 300 people per train. (Average doesn't take into account the 4-car MK-II trainsets... it's hard to tell how many of them they deploy on the system although I'm guessing they have 5 or 6 of them running at any given time, mostly timed to catch the onslaught of passengers during bus arrivals in Surrey... that's what I've observed at least)

Even if they didn't extend the stations, running every train as a 6-car MK-I or 4-car MK-II set, at an ultimate frequency of a train every 75 seconds, that's 48 trains an hour. Let's assume average of 510 people per train (proportional between 480 people on the MK-I trainset and 520 people on the MK-II trainset). That's 24,480 PPPHD.

Extend the stations by however meters so we can run 8-car MK-I trains (realistically they're not going to run 9 car sets) or 6-car MK-II trains, we'll say an average of 750 people per train... that's 36,000 PPPHD.

Doubling is an understatement, we have the ability to increase capacity 4x. Whether they'd actually run trains every 75 seconds, who knows. I think they'll worry about increasing train lengths first before they worry about breaking the 2 minute frequency which is pretty damn good right now. So 750 passengers x 30 trains (train every 2 minutes) = 22,500 PPPHD which is what I think they're aiming for. A bit more than double.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 09:46 AM   #2514
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You can safely say that will not happen so don't put your hopes up for it. With the way the stations in KL are designed, it wouldn't be economical to fit that configuration in.

The main thing hindering KL from expansion to 6-car trains would be the underground segment. If they can get around that it might be possible but don't hope for it. Look at the way the extensions are being handled there.

So we now go back to the will the Evergreen Line be SkyTrain or Light Rail after all question...
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Hmmmm...Evergreen Line...right now it looks like it will be a light rail line....some people will call for standardization with the Skytrain network but I think overall that idea will be rejected in favour of the more affordable technology...

just my thought.

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

But with the new budget announced for the transit improvements for the Vancouver area it seemed that it would have been a standardisation (which I say is the best really).
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Hmmmm...Evergreen Line...right now it looks like it will be a light rail line....some people will call for standardization with the Skytrain network but I think overall that idea will be rejected in favour of the more affordable technology...

just my thought.

Cheers, m
i think we might be going with SkyTrain for the Evergreen Line. With the UBC extension and Surrey extension as SkyTrain, why not go another step further? Not to mention that the new transit plan calls for the Evergreen Line cost to be $1.4 billion....that's more than $400 million more than Translink's LRT proposal, which makes SkyTrain all more likely.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:37 PM   #2517
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I too think it will be SkyTrain if for no other reason than politics.
I know that the plan provides one billion {thank god} for new SkyTrain cars and then says another 3 billion to double capacity on the Expo line for $3 billion.
Seeing the trains are bought for the extention to Guilford and more trains on the Expo Line how the hell does expanding the current stations come in at even half of $3billion?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:10 PM   #2518
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I think $3 billion includes the 6km extension (which really should only cost maybe $720 million @ $120 mil / km) including the trains required for that portion and expansion of stations. There could be some technical challenges with some of the stations... Granville, Burrard, and Columbia are three for obvious reasons. Stadium Station needs it's eastern stairs knocked out so the platform can expand that way. The OMC needs to be expanded or possibly a 2nd storage yard and OMC built out in Surrey where land is cheaper since there's basically no more room around Edmonds... It would make sense to keep trains a lot closer to where service will start. Also I think the communications and controls network and infrastructure needs to upgraded or replaced. Power substations need to be built or upgraded to handle the increased power load. Still I think there may be one more missing element... they may have set some money aside to architecturally enchance existing stations to match the Millennium and Canada Line.

$1 billion is for the 300 or so trains according to today's prices.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:17 PM   #2519
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Yup. lets let those wonderfully talented experts in the NDP fix the transportation issues....after all, they did do a bang up job on upgrading the ferry system didn't they.

Ravman, you joined up very recently and thus far have either cut/pasted a story from the Tyee, or bashed the Libs and "Gordo" in every one of your posts. YAWN......get over it dude, the NDP suck and union boss's (NDP leaders) don't know squat about running a province...you must remember the wonderful 90's?
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A small update, January 31st

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Broadway-City Hall Station


Cambie Cut beside City Hall


And a bonus shot of a wet City Hall

(My photos, taken January 29th, 2008)
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