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Old February 10th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #2601
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I'm still in some degree of shock that the US government is pulling the plug on its support of the rapid transit lines/extensions in both Florida and Washington. The Federal component was not even that large in either event. What gives? Is it genuinely a case of there being no money left over because of Iraq or is it some sort of vindictive parting shot by the Republicans as they are about to be turfed out of office?
The Republicans currently in office are of the opinion that the federal government should be "smaller".

But that's a political opinion. The reason specifically for the cuts is that they reduced the budget of the FTA, so they had to pick and choose what projects to support. Seattle is currently the best on the list (I really hope we're safe).
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Old February 10th, 2008, 10:11 PM   #2602
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but when the public were appalled, we agreed to donate it to charity. i know some mlas ( ndp) have created scholarships for students in their community and others have given to other needy causes like the food back et al.
That was after negative publicity, and then after that, Carole James was known as the public flip flop of 2007. It was 2007 right? =P If it wasn't that big of a deal from the media, the NDP would have gone for it already.

I love these political discussions ravman. I learn so much from them. Keep them going =D
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Old February 10th, 2008, 10:41 PM   #2603
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^ even smaller? IMO, the American federal government's responsibilities towards its own citizens seems quite minimal....i mean, almost all of the attention and money is directed towards overseas. There are a lot of social and infrastructural problems in the states that need government support in order to be fixed, I really don't get this "socialism/communism" paranoia.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 02:08 AM   #2604
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Well, you have to consider that the previous Board of Directors were politicians that were basically firing guns at random directions. The new Board of Directors are professionals with expertise in their fields...i think the pay raise is quite justified, and it is comparable to what YVR board of directors make. $7,200 for the 6 meetings they attend each year isn't much.
i agree

in the long run them being buisness professionals and coming from the business world they will probably be able to do better financially than the politicians who occupied the board before - and probably eliminate some of the petty squabbles that went on between the mayors/councillors who were on the board before
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Old February 11th, 2008, 06:03 AM   #2605
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^ even smaller? IMO, the American federal government's responsibilities towards its own citizens seems quite minimal....i mean, almost all of the attention and money is directed towards overseas. There are a lot of social and infrastructural problems in the states that need government support in order to be fixed, I really don't get this "socialism/communism" paranoia.
Some of us Americans are of the conviction that government does nothing well. It's not so much a fear of communism as a desire to be free of government.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 11:37 AM   #2606
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wow its progressing alot thats good Vancouver is lucky that its getting two new metro lines while Miami is getting none so ever its sad but good luck Vancouver
how fast is the traveling girder traveling?

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Old February 11th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #2607
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how fast is the traveling girder traveling?

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I believe one span (between two concrete columns) takes between 3-5 days.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:10 AM   #2608
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Riding on the West Coast Express TrainBus on my way home got me thinking... I really wouldn't mind paying extra for a premium transit service. High back reclining seats, fully air conditioned, quiet comfortable ride. Also pulling a page from the Orleans Express buses in Quebec, leatherette seating (I think real leather might get some protests in our city...) and and laptop plugs... might be hard to compete against skytrain in terms of speed though.

In Japan they would often run premium trains on the same tracks as regular service trains... you have to pay like a few hundred yen extra for the trip though.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:15 AM   #2609
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a few hundred yen is like a penny Canadian right? j/k.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:32 AM   #2610
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At today's rates 200yen is $1.87 and 300 is $2.87.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:30 AM   #2611
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I believe one span (between two concrete columns) takes between 3-5 days.
that is pretty fast...

I notice that the columns arent that tall either...how high is the guideway above street level?

Also, what are the reasons for having these lower height guideways (if any)?

Last, how does the height of the guideway of the Canada line compare to the other lines?

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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #2612
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Burnaby Mountain is in Burnaby, where SFU is. The Evergreen Line's tunnel is beneath Coquitlam at a section where slope goes uphill quite steeply, unsuitable for LRT and SkyTrain. But you're right, a station is not possible. I believe they said the deepest section of the tunnel would be 16-stories above ground.

Seattle has a pretty deep station for its new LRT line. Beacon Hill station is extremely deep...passengers need to get to the platform by massive elevators.
there isn't much of a need in that slope area - its pretty undense
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:52 AM   #2613
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that is pretty fast...

I notice that the columns arent that tall either...how high is the guideway above street level?

Also, what are the reasons for having these lower height guideways (if any)?

Last, how does the height of the guideway of the Canada line compare to the other lines?

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Well for one thing, lower guideways cost less money. You also don't want to build too high unless it is absolutely necessary (like at the Bridgeport interchange or the bridge approaches) as Richmond is a flood plain. They also look less obstructive (or what some would call "hideous") to the street. It's more friendly to the street.

Bridgeport flyover interchange/track switch
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Old February 12th, 2008, 09:00 AM   #2614
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the existing lines aren't that much higher - richmond has the benefit of being flat - where as the old lines have a lot more up and down terrain to meander over so you do get some high spots but most isn't that high
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #2615
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Lots of examples of Japanese tokkyu (special express) trains on the Japan board if anyone is interested.

I remember my first few months in Japan before I could read or speak I would see these empty carriages on trains and think "Great, a car all to myself!" Turns out I was getting on the tokkyu trains. The conductor even passed by me every time, and he only charged me extra once. He probably felt sorry for the dumb illiterate foreigner...
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Lol when did you finally figure it out? When the conductor finally charged you?

I rode it once from Tokyo to Tachikawa on the Chuo Line with my girlfriend going home from a Christmas lights display. We didn't know we had to buy our tickets together to sit together, she had to apologize to a guy who's seat I took to sit with her. Oops.

Nice and comfy trains, it's worth the few hundred yen if you don't want to be packed like sardines on the regular trains... and the trip was probably 35-40 minutes instead of the usual 50 minutes on the rapid trains.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 08:10 AM   #2617
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About a month later when I learnt the characters - 特急!

I agree the trains are nice, but their regular trains are so far ahead of anything we have here that I don't even mind traveling on the regular ones :-)
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Old February 13th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #2618
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Do you find that noise becomes an issue with the lower guideway? Or does the presence of buildings and other street noise help mask the noise?

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Old February 13th, 2008, 10:49 AM   #2619
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Where noise is a concern, they'll install sound barriers along the guideway.

I agree that the primary reason would be to prevent the guideway from towering over the streetscape. The main factor that ameliorates the presence of the guideway is having it located on the side of the street - not in the middle. That allows smaller station houses that do not dominate their surroundings too much. If the guideway was in the middle of the street, it would have to be taller to fit a mezzanine level under it to access the stations - that would have meant a larger structure and excessive shadowing on the street.
From the pics, you can see that the guideway does not seem obtrusive when beside buildings.
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Where noise is a concern, they'll install sound barriers along the guideway.

I agree that the primary reason would be to prevent the guideway from towering over the streetscape. The main factor that ameliorates the presence of the guideway is having it located on the side of the street - not in the middle. That allows smaller station houses that do not dominate their surroundings too much. If the guideway was in the middle of the street, it would have to be taller to fit a mezzanine level under it to access the stations - that would have meant a larger structure and excessive shadowing on the street.
From the pics, you can see that the guideway does not seem obtrusive when beside buildings.
Yes, you are quite correct about that.

Im quite interested because of the proposals for the extension of Kuala Lumpur's Kelana Jaya line into my current home. The current proposal is through a residential area and residents are not happy with it...but it might be possible to build some of the alignment alongside commercial areas and major roads...

KL's monorail really changes it's appearance when it moves from the centre of the road alignment to the side of the road....

You are correct that having the guideway alongside a major road (rather than through the centre) would reduce the visual impact and make it more accessible to potential passengers.

It bears exploring. Thanks for the information.

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