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Old February 28th, 2008, 03:35 AM   #2661
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I think the zone based system works just fine because we have buses and seabuses to deal with along with our trains. I'd like to be able to finish the trip on just one fare.

My main complaint is that it takes at least 2 hours to get from Aldergrove to downtown Vancouver, why is the transfer only 90 minutes long?
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Old February 28th, 2008, 03:36 AM   #2662
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Force everyone to use smart cards for fast distance based fares =P
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Old February 28th, 2008, 05:08 AM   #2663
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February 26, 2008

Falcon continues to hijack Translink governance and muses about future fare hikes

VICTORIA -- Recent letters from B.C.'s Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon show he's overruling the authority of the Mayors' Council on TransLink while alluding to future transit fare hikes, New Democrat Transportation Critic Maurine Karagianis said today.

In a letter written to the Mayors' Council Chair Dianne Watts and TransLink Chair Dale Parker, Kevin Falcon threatened to cut off financial resources to the municipalities if the mayors didn't agree to toe his line on the hiring of a TransLink commissioner.

"The Mayors had legitimate concerns about the expense involved in the hiring of a commissioner - and they deserved to be heard out. But Minister Falcon made it clear it was going to be either his way or the highway," said Karagianis.

"When Falcon dismantled the original TransLink model and rammed through legislation to replace it, he made it clear the Mayors' Council was only going to have a nominal role in future decisions. By snubbing the mayors yet again, he's sending a strong message he won't tolerate any debate on decisions he has already made up his mind about."

In a letter to Mayor Watts, Kevin Falcon says unless a commissioner is hired, "...TransLink will not be able to access the incremental fuel tax revenue provided for in the legislation, nor to increase transit fares beyond the levels already authorized."

"It's alarming that Minister Falcon sees the TransLink commissioner as an endorser of fare hikes rather than a mechanism to keep fares in check and ensure fairness," Karagianis said. "At a time when Metro Vancouver transit users pay up to $10 for a single round-trip, Falcon has made it clear more fare hikes are quite likely."
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Old February 28th, 2008, 05:18 AM   #2664
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It's wrapping up guys...



W. Pender Street at Granville Street Temporarily Closes to Motorists for Tunnel Boring Machine Removal'

Notice No. 127 | February 27, 2008
CANADA LINE PUBLIC NOTICE

The Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) is scheduled to complete the second of two side-by-side tunnels within the next week, which will result in the temporary closure of W. Pender Street between Howe Street and Seymour Street beginning at 12:01 a.m. on Monday, March 3, 2008. This temporary closure to motorists will occur for approximately 3 – 4 weeks while the TBM is removed and relocated from the exit shaft.

This activity and traffic pattern change will be in effect 24-hours a day seven days a week until the removal and relocation activity is completed. A noise exemption has been approved by the City of Vancouver, which may be viewed online at canadaline.ca.

Pedestrian traffic in the area will be maintained at all times, and access to and from businesses will remain open and accessible. Crew and traffic control personnel will also permit pedestrians to walk north and south in the intersection of W. Pender Street at Granville Street when deemed safe.

While W. Pender Street at Granville is temporarily closed to motorists, W. Hastings Street at Granville Street will re-open to two lanes eastbound and two lanes westbound. Once the TBM removal and relocation activity is completed, vehicle traffic on W. Hastings Street at Granville Street will be reduced to one lane in each direction while Waterfront Station construction continues.

Please note the intersections of Granville Street at Seymour Street and at Howe Street will remain open throughout this activity. Motorists wishing to travel around the active TBM area may use alternative routes such as W. Hastings Street, Dunsmuir Street, Seymour Street and Howe Street.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 08:06 AM   #2665
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I think the zone based system works just fine because we have buses and seabuses to deal with along with our trains. I'd like to be able to finish the trip on just one fare.

My main complaint is that it takes at least 2 hours to get from Aldergrove to downtown Vancouver, why is the transfer only 90 minutes long?
with distance based you would still make it to your destination on the same fare
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Old February 28th, 2008, 09:30 AM   #2666
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Did ya want a know why people rather takes their cars? ...........here's a horror story for ya that happened just today.
Had to go into Vancouver from White Rock so took the #351. The bus came at 8:15 and got it right at White Rock centre, the main exchange. Well the express bus only had 4 seats left on it! By the next 2 stops people were already standing up and by the time it got to the ParknRide there was no room left..at all.
There were 9 people waiting there and only 1 person was able to get on. I saw 5 of them so livid so they walked over to one of their cars and were going to commute together on someone's car.
Note this was at 8:15, well past rush-hour as anyone going downtown on that bus weren't going to get downtown til about 9:05. Well got stuck on #99 and didn't arrive downtown til 9:25.
I felt so sorry for those who waited for the bus and were turned away and for those who had to stand for the entire 9:15 until a lot of people got off at Broadway. Remember that the #351 is the only bus route in the whole system that requires someone to stand for that length of time as it is the longest route in the system and VERY few get off until, at the minimum, 41st.

That is a perfect example of why people don't want to take transit. Even when they do they can't get even get on the bus little alone, god forbid, a seat for their near one hour trip.
On the way back at 2:00pm I mentioned it to the bus driver about that morning and he said he knows as does Translink that the #351 is overcapacity.
The area has exploded to 85,000 and there are plans for another 30,000 just on the eastside of #99 which doesn't even include the huge population explosion taking in place on the SS/WR side of #99.

He did give me some good news. Apparently they are receiving quite litterally this month and the #351 is at the very top of the charts for transit frequency increases. I hope it ATLEAST doubles frequency as even during the day and evening the buses are full.

He said they are hoping to greatly increase frequency as early as April. I sure hope so as this is a stellar example of why people far prefer taking their cars.
They should have similar freeway service from Guilford and Langley right downtown as it would be a fast service and comfortable one too.

I do not beleive this bullshit that people in the burbs won't take transit. It's not a matter of won't but rather can't take transit due to the incredibly poor service.

I hope they greatly improve the #351 and even more so when the RAV and then RapidBus starts in 2009. People out here are already pissed off enough with the RAV because they will have to transfer. It will actually take longer to get downtown than it does now to say nothing of having to transfer.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #2667
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I meant to say that Translink will be receiving 9 new express buses this month.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 10:12 AM   #2668
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I know unfortunately it's the case for many. Well come 2009 when the Canada Line opens, you guys will be seeing RapidBus instead of the Express Bus (I'm pretty sure articulated buses will help with the congestion but I sure hope it's as comfortable as the current highway coaches).
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Old February 28th, 2008, 10:16 AM   #2669
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I do not beleive this bullshit that people in the burbs won't take transit. It's not a matter of won't but rather can't take transit due to the incredibly poor service.
I agree.

In 15-20 years or so, my vision is that we should build a light-rail/commuter rail type of service to White Rock/Tsawwassen along the Highway 99 median with it terminating at Bridgeport Station. Perhaps, a future extension line to South Surrey. The new service would use Bombardier Talent trains, similar to the Ottawa O-Train. Here's the plan:

Weekday frequency:
- 5:00 am to 6:30 am: 15-minutes
- 6:30 am to 10:00 am: 10-minutes
- 10:00 am to 3:30 pm: 15-minutes
- 3:30 pm to 7:00 pm: 10-minutes
- 7:00 pm to 10:00 pm: 15-minutes
- 10:00 pm to 1 am: 20-minutes

Saturday frequency:
- 5:00 am to 7:00 am: 20-minutes
- 7:00 am to 7:00 pm: 15-minutes
- 7:00 pm to 12 am: 20-minutes

Sunday/holiday frequency:
- 20-mins all day from 6:30 am to midnight

Train capacity:
- 300 passengers including standing

Max. speed:
- 120 kms/h


Of course, this would have to mean a serious beefing up of the Canada Line.






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Old February 28th, 2008, 10:22 AM   #2670
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I hope they greatly improve the #351 and even more so when the RAV and then RapidBus starts in 2009. People out here are already pissed off enough with the RAV because they will have to transfer. It will actually take longer to get downtown than it does now to say nothing of having to transfer.
I think it will probably be better with the Canada Line.

You need to take note that today's buses are often late because of the downtown loop. The Canada Line will be able to breeze through Downtown in 3-minutes. And it does takes 15-minutes to get from Downtown to Bridgeport. Without needing to go into Downtown or even Vancouver, service will be much more reliable and it also means less buses will be needed...meaning those buses could be used to run extra frequency between White Rock and Bridgeport.

That's 18-minutes from Bridgeport to Waterfront....surely, the existing express buses couldn't compete with that. Not to mention that a train at Bridgeport Station is bound for Downtown every 3-minutes. And chances are, passengers will be able to get a seat from the near-empty trains coming from the airport. Every second inbound train is from Sea Island.

Add all of that to the purchase of new buses for the service, and you have yourself a pretty good deal.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #2671
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I love the O-Train! I would love to see the DMUs operate in Vancouver if that's what it takes to get more distant communities connected to the local network. Richmond-Ladner-South Surrey-White Rock, Scott-Road-Langley-Abbotsford, that Coquitlam-Braid-Marine line I've heard pop up from time to time.

I'm wonderring about North Shore and if it's possible to run rail there because of the steep hills. They had streetcars at one point didn't they? Wonder if it was something like San Francisco's cable cars.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #2672
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ssiguy2, I understand the frustration of your commute. However save for the length of the trip the story is really no different than what most people experience on most routes. The additional highway buses should help increase the frequency and capacity of these very long commuter routes, as will the connection to the Canada Line for all the reasons Mr.X raised. From ample experience I disagree that transferring is arduous, especially when connecting to SkyTrain. The passenger capacity per service hour metric will also improve significantly for the 351 by connecting to the Canada Line and this will allow an improved level of service at a similar operating cost, which allows Translink's limited resources to go even further. I do think that there should be a much larger order of commuter buses in the pipeline and in time the Canada Line should be upgraded and extended further south to improve capacity and eventually offer long distance commuters a closer boarding point.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 10:56 AM   #2673
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More updates from Tafryn, Feb. 26:
http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.com/


KING EDWARD STATION ENTRANCE







The space in the left could be the elevator shaft.










Queen Elizabeth Park cut and cover








OAKRIDGE-41ST AVENUE STATION

















BRIGHOUSE-RICHMOND CITY CENTRE STATION






LANSDOWNE STATION









Dual to single-track transition south of Lansdowne
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 03:25 AM   #2674
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last time i checked white rock/south surrey was pretty expensive to live

no one is forcing these people to live there - obviously they have the money to live anywhere in the lower mainland and they chose to live so far from downtown
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 04:05 AM   #2675
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Canada Line tunnel borer finishes second tube

Updated: Sun Mar. 02 2008 16:53:46
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It was a tiny chunk at first, then a larger one -- and then with a thundering crash, the tunnel boring machine broke through the dirt around the future site of a station for the new Canada Line Sunday morning.

After grinding under downtown Vancouver for much of the past year, the boring of two side-by-side tunnels for a leg of the massive transit project to link Vancouver, Richmond and the Vancouver International Airport is complete.

One by one, workers crawled out of the 440-tonne machine, to hugs, cheers and a celebration.

"It's like the birth of my son, maybe not a good comparison, but now the feeling is like that," said one man.

The project is on time and on budget, said B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell, who was on hand for the ceremony.

"This is on budget and more important, well, equally important, this is actually ahead of schedule," said Campbell.

"That is one big machine," said one spectator.

The completion of the second tunnel means that work can now begin on the Canada Line's Waterfront Station.

The government hopes to have the roads re-paved and downtown looking like normal in about a year.

Last April, the tunnel machine reached another important milestone when it broke ground north of Pender Street on Granville Street, completing the first 2.5-kilometer segment of track.

The 440-tonne machine was then taken apart transported back to its starting place in False Creek to start the second leg of the tunnel.

The Canada Line will eventually have 16 stations along over 19 km of track from downtown Vancouver to downtown Richmond, including a line that will run directly to the Vancouver International Airport.

Officials say the train's capacity will be equivalent to ten road lanes and will be an important new link to the region's transportation network.

The cut and cover portion of the track, which reaches from 2nd Avenue to 41st Avenue, is scheduled for completion in December 2008.

Tunnel-Boring Machine Facts:

* Length: 86 metres
* Diameter: 6.1 metres
* Weight: 440 tonnes
* Navigation system: GPS tracking system that is accurate within an inch
* Speed: 10 metres per day
* Depth of tunnel: Between 10 and 30 metres
* Tunnel internal diameter: 5.3 metres
* Tunnel support: About 20,000 steel-reinforced concrete lining segments over the 2.5 km of tunnel
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Congratulations to Vancouver on it's two new babies (the tunnels I mean...)

Are there any renders of the underground stations? Or even the entrances to the underground stations?
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Queen Elizabeth Park cut and cover
Why has this section not been finished yet? This is where construction first began.
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Congratulations to Vancouver on it's two new babies (the tunnels I mean...)

Are there any renders of the underground stations? Or even the entrances to the underground stations?
Visit the first page of this topic. All of the preliminary station renderings/diagrams/designs have been posted there.
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From Global BC. They got a few shots of "open stations" but they didn't say which one is which. I'm sure some of you can tell by the pictures here:











EDIT: Not sure what happened to the third and fourth pic. Sorry
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