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Old March 20th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #2721
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I love how the big transit plan includes the RAV line when its already paid for and nearly finished.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 07:40 AM   #2722
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Its about time they starting looking to Asia for new ideas regarding transit versus another "fact finding mission" to London or even worse, copying American transit "ideas" like putting heavy rail lines in the median of a freeway...

Given that Vancouver is Canada's so-called "Asia-Pacific Gateway", they really should look for new ideas and innovations from Asia, not places like...for example Portland, Ore.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 09:48 AM   #2723
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My line of work is to maintain a rail system that is operational,planned scheduled maintenance to ensure everything electrical keeps working by testing it.
I am not wanting to be a part of construction,that is normally contracted out.
I know you didn't mean construction related, but I have a feeling that those people who maintain the current Skytrain routes will simply have their jobs expanded to cover the Canada Line....with a few extra people hired. Although if there is a job open, you should apply...and would probably have a high chance of being accepted (granted being a foreign citizen might restrict you and give you a disadvantage).
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B.C. government firm on Canada Line turnstiles
Faregates 'going to happen,' says Transportation Minister Falcon

Andy Ivens and Frank Luba, The Province
Published: Thursday, March 20, 2008

While TransLink studies the issue of whether turnstiles should be installed on the Canada Line, there's no doubt in Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon's mind that they will be.

"It's going to happen," Falcon said yesterday. "We're going to work with TransLink. Obviously, we're going to be ponying up a substantial amount of the money to pay for this because it is a provincial initiative and a requirement.

"We've always been very clear that this is something that we will be doing. It's a question of how we'll do it with TransLink."

Earlier, TransLink spokesman Drew Snider said it was still weighing the merits of a "controlled access" system versus one that operates on the proof-of-payment honour principle.

"We are revisiting the whole thing," Snider told The Province.

"There's a working group working on that, to look through it again to see if there's a business case that can be made."

"We're not going to say anything more about it until the end of the year, when that group reports back."


A 2005 TransLink staff report concluded it would cost three to five times as much to set up and operate a controlled-access system as it would cut fare evasions under the current honour system.

"I don't accept the figures," said Falcon, who last year toured public-transit systems in London, Paris and Rotterdam.

"It's Pollyanna-ishly pessimistic in terms of what the likely gains are, and certainly inconsistent with other regions that have tried it," he said.

"The Netherlands saw an immediate boost to revenue the moment they put the gates in. The people felt safer while revenues climbed 30 per cent.

"They had a substantial climb in revenue growth and they had a substantial decline in criminal activity."

"This isn't about money, although I do think that will be a benefit."

"What it's really about is making sure travellers on the system, particularly women, can feel safer, knowing that they are in a secured environment that tends to keep out the kind of people who aren't going to pay money to harass people."

Falcon said Premier Gordon Campbell shares his strong views.


"That's the primary benefit as far as the premier and I are concerned," said Falcon.

"If we are going to encourage more people to use rapid transit, then anything we can do to make the experience safer and more user-friendly I think is a positive."

All stations on Canada Line, which is on schedule to begin service in November 2009, and the Millennium Line have been designed to accommodate "faregates," as modern turnstiles are called.

No such accommodation was made when the 22-year-old Expo Line was built.

Snider told the Richmond News this week that faregates and the proposed SmartCard fare system won't be ready in time for the new line's November 2009 launch.


TALLYING THE COSTS

A 2005 TransLink report indicated turnstiles would require extra staff at a cost of $25.1 million.

Add another $3.5 million annually for the capital cost of the equipment for a grand total of $28.6 million for turnstiles.

Cheating on the two existing SkyTrain lines costs TransLink an estimated $3.3 million annually, with the predicted evasion on the Canada Line being about $1 million.

If that $4.3 million is subtracted from the $28.6-million annual capital and operating cost, the annual cost for turnstiles would be $24.3 million.

The actual turnstile cost of $14.3 million is arrived at by subtracting another $10 million -- the cost of the 52 police officers that will be hired, regardless of gating.







Fraser Valley gas taxes may rise to improve transit

Politicians weigh joining TransLink to expand commuter service
David Carrigg, The Province
Published: Thursday, March 20, 2008

A Fraser Valley gas tax is being considered as a way to expand public transit in the region.

According to a recently released report on the Fraser Valley's transit system, commuters in Abbotsford, Chilliwack and Mission are underserved by a factor of "four or five, perhaps even more."

Mission Mayor James Atebe, a delegate to the Fraser Valley Regional District board, said district politicians must decide whether to join TransLink or continue to operate their own municipal transit service.

Either way, a fuel tax may be introduced to help pay for it.

Currently, six cents a litre of all gas sold in Metro Vancouver goes to TransLink, on top of the six cents a litre the provincial government gives to TransLink from the fuel tax it collects in Metro Vancouver.

If the regional district agrees to join TransLink, all or part of the TransLink gas tax may apply to the Fraser Valley.

"There's no firm model in place," said TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie.

"However, if the Fraser Valley is underserved and calls for expansion, that six cents a litre goes a long way."

The report, called Developing a Transportation Vision for the FVRD, says the best option to raise money for transit expansion is through either "a share of existing fuel taxes or increases to fuel taxes in the FVRD."

Atebe said property owners are already overburdened by taxes.

"We are trying to look for other sources of revenue. A fuel tax may be one of those options, so we don't have a heavier burden on property tax," he said.

The FVRD will do another study on transit in the region before deciding whether to join TransLink.

Hardie said TransLink is legally able to expand its service zone but the final decision rests with municipalities.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 02:48 AM   #2726
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Transit in the valley absolutely sucks right now.... it feels like every route is some sort of introductory route, half of the buses have something wrong with them including the one that does the first 31 run in the morning which veers slightly to one side when the driver presses on the brakes, another where the brakes lock up really easily so the driver has to pump it even for slowing down. The general attitude out here is that buses are for poor people and I think it's time for that image to change.

I'd love to see some sort of starter streetcar or LRT run from Clearbrook to Downtown Abby to UCFV (in my dreams). I also think they should extend the West Coast Express to Abby because a lot of the people come in from Abby.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 05:54 AM   #2727
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Transit in the valley absolutely sucks right now.... it feels like every route is some sort of introductory route, half of the buses have something wrong with them including the one that does the first 31 run in the morning which veers slightly to one side when the driver presses on the brakes, another where the brakes lock up really easily so the driver has to pump it even for slowing down. The general attitude out here is that buses are for poor people and I think it's time for that image to change.

I'd love to see some sort of starter streetcar or LRT run from Clearbrook to Downtown Abby to UCFV (in my dreams). I also think they should extend the West Coast Express to Abby because a lot of the people come in from Abby.
I'm being hopeful, but that might happen after 2015 when the West Coast Express contract expires with CPR. And it's not that long of an extension.

They should also use the old interurban route as the South Fraser Express and run it to Abbotsford too.

Does anyone know when does the BC Transit buses be rebranded as TransLink ones or are they still keeping the BC Transit ones.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:22 AM   #2728
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TransLink sitting on some prime real estate

Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, March 20, 2008

TransLink owns four properties worth $100 million that it could sell to generate seed money to start its new real estate division.

TransLink plans to use the division to purchase prime real estate around future rapid transit stations and then partner with developers and local municipalities to create denser zoning and develop the properties as a way to finance SkyTrain construction.

The regional transit authority already owns four prime pieces of real estate, including the 14-acre Oakridge transit centre, the 12-acre Coquitlam park-and-ride lot and two properties totalling three acres near False Creek.

The assessed value of the four parcels combined is almost $100 million, but up-zoning for high-density development could massively increase the value of the parcels.

The City of Coquitlam is anxious to work with TransLink's new real estate arm to ensure that the Evergreen Line is not shelved again.

"We've been passed over twice," said Coquitlam Mayor Maxine Wilson in a interview from Seattle. "We need that line."

TransLink chairman Dale Parker told The Vancouver Sun that by buying early and quickly reselling land along future SkyTrain routes, TransLink hopes to make between $100 million and $150 million each year over the next 10 years.

The money will help finance the construction of the UBC and Evergreen SkyTrain extensions.

The Evergreen Line will connect to the existing SkyTrain system, linking Lougheed Town Centre, Coquitlam Town Centre and Douglas College. The line is slated for completion in 2014.

Parker said real estate revenue is essential to building projects such as the Evergreen Line. TransLink must come up with $2.75 billion as its share of the provincial government's $14-billion transit expansion, announced earlier this year.

Property around TransLink's 12-acre Coquitlam park-and-ride lot has already been zoned to allow towers up to 37 storeys, an outcome that would ensure the regional transportation authority would get far more than the $14-million assessed value of the land when it is sold.

Wilson was not surprised to learn of TransLink's plan to mimic the stunning success of Hong Kong MTR's real estate division.

MTR generates billions of dollars in revenue through its developments in Hong Kong.


"[Transportation Minister] Kevin Falcon said when he announced the Evergreen Line that $400 million would have to be raised other ways," Wilson said. "This is the other way.

"The capital dollars for the Evergreen Line have to be raised somehow and it's either going to come from the taxpayer through federal and provincial transfers or property tax if TransLink doesn't use more creative methods," she said.

"The land will have to be rezoned and go through the public hearing process," Wilson said. Community amenities like local libraries and non-market housing will have to be part of the deal as well, she said.

"But over the last few years there has been no opposition to increased density in the town centre."
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:23 AM   #2729
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TransLink sitting on some prime real estate

Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, March 20, 2008

TransLink owns four properties worth $100 million that it could sell to generate seed money to start its new real estate division.

TransLink plans to use the division to purchase prime real estate around future rapid transit stations and then partner with developers and local municipalities to create denser zoning and develop the properties as a way to finance SkyTrain construction.

The regional transit authority already owns four prime pieces of real estate, including the 14-acre Oakridge transit centre, the 12-acre Coquitlam park-and-ride lot and two properties totalling three acres near False Creek.

The assessed value of the four parcels combined is almost $100 million, but up-zoning for high-density development could massively increase the value of the parcels.

The City of Coquitlam is anxious to work with TransLink's new real estate arm to ensure that the Evergreen Line is not shelved again.

"We've been passed over twice," said Coquitlam Mayor Maxine Wilson in a interview from Seattle. "We need that line."

TransLink chairman Dale Parker told The Vancouver Sun that by buying early and quickly reselling land along future SkyTrain routes, TransLink hopes to make between $100 million and $150 million each year over the next 10 years.

The money will help finance the construction of the UBC and Evergreen SkyTrain extensions.

The Evergreen Line will connect to the existing SkyTrain system, linking Lougheed Town Centre, Coquitlam Town Centre and Douglas College. The line is slated for completion in 2014.

Parker said real estate revenue is essential to building projects such as the Evergreen Line. TransLink must come up with $2.75 billion as its share of the provincial government's $14-billion transit expansion, announced earlier this year.

Property around TransLink's 12-acre Coquitlam park-and-ride lot has already been zoned to allow towers up to 37 storeys, an outcome that would ensure the regional transportation authority would get far more than the $14-million assessed value of the land when it is sold.

Wilson was not surprised to learn of TransLink's plan to mimic the stunning success of Hong Kong MTR's real estate division.

MTR generates billions of dollars in revenue through its developments in Hong Kong.


"[Transportation Minister] Kevin Falcon said when he announced the Evergreen Line that $400 million would have to be raised other ways," Wilson said. "This is the other way.

"The capital dollars for the Evergreen Line have to be raised somehow and it's either going to come from the taxpayer through federal and provincial transfers or property tax if TransLink doesn't use more creative methods," she said.

"The land will have to be rezoned and go through the public hearing process," Wilson said. Community amenities like local libraries and non-market housing will have to be part of the deal as well, she said.

"But over the last few years there has been no opposition to increased density in the town centre."
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Actually transit in Chilliwack isn't bad. I think that's due to the way the city is set up. Its very long so most routes take the one main drag which runs from north to south which includes the older northern area, downtown, UCFV, the main malls/big box, along the densly populated Yale all the way up to the massive new developments, and the RCMP training grounds of the former forces base.
Anyway, the first thing they should do is start up commuter bus routes into Vancouver with stops atNorth Langley, Guilford, Lougheed.
Reserecting the old Cloverdale route is too expensive for the ridership returned. It will also do squat for people trying to get into Vancouver/NuWest. It would simply be far too long a trip. It would take up to an hour and a half to get downtown. People will not hop on transit for that.
An excellent example of how it could work would be like the #351 to White Rock. A stop at Lougheed would be great for SkyTrain connections to NuWest, Metrotown, SFU, and PoCo/Tri Cities.
The buses could run from Aldergrove, Abbotsford, Chilliwack.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 01:44 AM   #2731
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Well MTR privatized in 2000, they were developing property before that.
Since 1978... and actually most of the existing developments above MTR stations were done before it went to privatized.
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None of this surprises me, it is a very logical way to go when you consider that more than half of Vancouver's residents are originally from Hong Kong. My wife, also from Vancouver, has told me that many folks refer to it jokingly as Hongcouver. So if what they did in the old country worked, then adapt and try it here.
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I think it was more a Transport Minister and Translink decision, rather than a former Hong Kongese thing. The article kinda goes into that.
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Its about time they starting looking to Asia for new ideas regarding transit versus another "fact finding mission" to London or even worse, copying American transit "ideas" like putting heavy rail lines in the median of a freeway...

Given that Vancouver is Canada's so-called "Asia-Pacific Gateway", they really should look for new ideas and innovations from Asia, not places like...for example Portland, Ore.
Absolutely. Japan has by far the world's best transit system hands down in my opinion (and I've ridden every system that might compete) and yet they are virtually non existent in terms of informing our transit system decisions.
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i never understood why the TTC can't do that? It still can develop properties in North York and Scarborough.
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i never understood why the TTC can't do that? It still can develop properties in North York and Scarborough.
laws need to be changed to allow it to happen.

Right now TTC doesnt have the mandate to have a property division...I suppose the city could set one up with the right legal changes...and support of course.

Right now TTC is selling air rights over existing stations. Islington, Vic Park, and Warden are 3 examples of stations that will see development on site.

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