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Old April 1st, 2008, 09:30 AM   #2741
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Train running on Canada Line no joke
Testing commences today on new train

Lisa Smedman
Special to the Richmond News

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

If you saw a train running along the Canada Line on Sea Island this morning, it wasn't an April Fool's joke. Tuesday, April 1 was to mark the first test of the section of the Canada Line that runs out to the airport.

The two-car train, with an operator on board, was to set out from the Canada Line operations and maintenance centre beside Bridgeport Station around 9 a.m. From there, it would cross to Sea Island and move west along the recently completed tracks at a walking pace, all the way to the YVR Airport Station. The trip was expected to take three hours, with plenty of stops.

"It will be the slowest trip ever on this line," said Steve Crombie, vice-president of public affairs for InTransit BC, which has the contract to build and operate the Canada Line.

"If it isn't (the slowest trip) we're going to be in big trouble," he joked.

Once the line is up and running, a trip from the airport to Waterfront Station will take less than 26 minutes.

Today's test was to be the first anywhere along the Canada Line, which is being constructed from downtown Vancouver along Vancouver's Cambie Street to Richmond. Trains have not yet moved along any other portion of the line.

While the guideway (tracks) along the airport section of the Canada Line is more or less complete, work is still underway on the stations. Three stations on Sea Island -- one near Templeton Street, one near the Air Canada buildings on Grant McConachie Way, and the third at the airport itself -- won't be complete until the end of this year, said Crombie.

The Canada Line is scheduled to be in operation by Nov. 30, 2009. A total of 20 two-car trains will operate on the Canada Line.

The train cars, built by Hyundai Rotem Company of South Korea, are wider and longer than the SkyTrain cars currently in service on the Expo and Millennium rapid transit lines.

"They run on a different power system," said Crombie. "They're not interchangeable with SkyTrain trains."
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Old April 1st, 2008, 07:36 PM   #2742
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Longer and wider than a SkyTrain MK11 yes, but it can't be lengthed except a few stops to 50 metres from its current 40. A micro-micro subway. It probably already the worl'd smallest stations. The SkyTrain cars are smaller but the stations can handle two MK11 trains or the equivalent of 6 MK1. They also, when built, had the vision to make the stations easily extended to accomodate the equivalent of 9 MK1 cars fairly easily which they will begin doing right away. RAV has no such ability and it is going to cost a king ransom to do so some day and at some stations it may not be possible at all.

Vancouver is building a rapid transit line for 15 years but they should be built to last and be effectively uses for quite literally 100 years. In 25 years when RAV is over-capacity I can truly see all the sububan routes from Ladner/Newton/Ladner/Twassen having too use the old Granville street again as RAV will simply not be able to accomodate the passenger loads.
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 01:45 AM   #2743
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Hey!!! I got some quick pics of the test today.... continued using my cellphone, but at least you can see the train in action!!!!

Used Imageshack for the quick upload.

@ Bridgeport Station




@ Middle Arm Bridge (very tiny, it's crossin' the bridge)


@ Sea Island Centre Station


@ Airport Terminus



Let's hope somebody took some professional photos and upload it here later!!!
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 04:08 AM   #2744
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neat

i wonder how many people arriving will think damn
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 04:19 AM   #2745
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i wonder how many people arriving will think damn
my impression would've been "what train? where???" then, somebody would hand me over a pair of binoculars and i'll be like "oohhhhh...".

Most people arriving would have thought that it was the airport's new monorail under construction, failing to realize it is actually a metro.

thx for the pics.
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 06:45 AM   #2746
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Short video of the train moving out of the OMC today for testing:

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Old April 2nd, 2008, 08:29 AM   #2747
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It's alive! It's allllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvvvvvvve!!!

Congratulations Vancouver and Richmond...you are the proud parents of a baby.......train.

Cheers, m

ps. just teasing. It is great news and I'm happy to hear it
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 09:02 AM   #2748
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Pictures taken today by The Henry Man:


BRIDGEPORT STATION is a major interchange station, where the line splits off into two to Sea Island and Richmond. IMO, the design of the station is a little bit dissapointing, there really isn't much...










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Old April 2nd, 2008, 10:29 AM   #2749
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For the Global TV story on the train testing - go to 9:10 minute mark of the News Hour April 1 show under "Newscasts" (followed immediately by the Shangri-La story)

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/video/index.html

The report incorrectly says the trains cannot be extended.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 03:18 AM   #2750
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From the Canada Line website:




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Old April 5th, 2008, 06:34 AM   #2752
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wow awesome thanks Mr X

also the little baby train is running yay Vancouver i hope other cities in the united states will do this?

will it be possible?
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Old April 5th, 2008, 08:31 AM   #2753
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Great photos

Theres something about the Bridgeport station that doesn't seem to look/feel right, it looks seriously gimped and that station is supposed to be a major intermodal transfer point
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Great photos

Theres something about the Bridgeport station that doesn't seem to look/feel right, it looks seriously gimped and that station is supposed to be a major intermodal transfer point
It's missing 80 m long platforms. Unfortunately, it's only half of 80m (basically half of our current SkyTrain platforms). It's not even built initially to the maximum length of 50 m. Anyway it is a major hub with a bus loop and a park and ride, which is all under construction.

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OPEN HOUSE – Canada Line – Bus Integration JOIN US AT AN OPEN HOUSE highlighting the proposed changes to bus routes affected by the opening of the new Canada Line in 2009. Representatives from the Coast Mountain Bus Company, TransLink and Canada Line will be on hand to address any questions regarding this Bus Integration Plan. We encourage you to attend — your feedback is important to us.
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I wasn't sure where to put this post as it has nothing to do with either RAV or MLine but rather Expo.
Anyway. I know that the province is planning to $3.1 billion to triple current capacity on the Expo line by , at the latest, 2020. It will be done by a lot more MK11 trains and station extentions. That is great news and a good idea but the math has lost me a bit.

Currently the Expo Line has 20 stations. All were made to be easily extended to accomodate 8 MK1 cars.
Well let's say it costs $2 million to extend and upgrade the stations. Well lets give TONS of overcosts to come in at $ 5 million per station which would build gold plated stations.
That's $100 million.
Now lets say they decide to massively increase the SkyTrain fleet for tons of trains and then some. So 100 MK11 cars would be more than enough for 6 MK11 cars....capacity.
So let's give another 50 MK11 so they can run at complete capacity all day/evening. That would easily include the new trains required for the Guilford extention of 6 km.
Just to add ANOTHER 50 cars to make sure. Well that comes out at 200 MK11 cars. Translink will be swimming in them. They are about $3.5 to $4 million a piece but let's say they come out at $6 million {which they won't} each.
We are at 200 MK11 cars at a widly expensive $6 million a piece. That comes out to $1.2 billion. They will need a new SkyTrain train warehouse. That would not come in at more than $150 for it plus another $ 25 million for an upgraded and expanded SkyTrain. Let's double it for fun so Translink will have a Taj Mahai. That comes in at $350 million.
We are now at a total of $1.5 billion.
Now 6 km of SkyTrain let's say comes in at $100 million /km. Again let's say $175 million because none of the line will be underground and allows enough park & ride to offer half of Langley a parking spot. That comes in at $1,500,000. That is wildly expensive when you consider the RAV which is 18 km most of which is underground and required a huge bridge over the Frazer.

So here we are at $3 billion but the government has budgeted $3.1 billion.
My estimates are so incredibly out of wack that you could EASILY cut this number in half and then some.

In reality, I couldn't see this whole project even coming in at $1.5 billion.

My point??? Where the hell is $3.1 billion figure coming from?
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you make a very very good point. Before i blast the falcon and his boss... i have a question about the system.... does the rail/ switches or what not need to be replaced....what about the cost of refurbishing the mk1 trains... how much is it per train.... there are probably other costs that the govt included... also the govt is trying to play the safe card to say that they ARE ON TIME AND ON BUDGET... i wouldnt be surprised if the figures were inflated to ensure a public outcry..... but lets wait and see...

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God I couldn't understand a thing you said. Note underground stations at downtown are much more expensive to extend the platforms as you have to "mine it out." Anyway I have to leave but i'll update this post ocne I come back. Let's not blast anyone yet.
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Let's all say it together now:

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Old April 7th, 2008, 04:21 AM   #2760
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Wow, did a drunk person type that post? Did you actually spell Fraser as "Frazer"???


First of all, you don't know what the project consists of.

As we all know, the $3.1-billion figure for the Expo Line upgrade is part of the $14-billion transit plan. But that $3.1 billion figure does not include the purchase of additional cars. The $14-billion transit plan has an entire $1-billion set aside for the purchase of new rail cars, to be more specific $1-billion will buy about 300 cars, to be shared among the UBC extension and Evergreen Line projects.

The 6-km extension in Surrey will cost close to $800 to 900-million, if inflation is included. The underground stations in downtown are not easily extendable, but they are said to be extendable only because the track before/after the platforms are straight and allow a platform extension. Thus, Granville and Burrard will require some significant mining, and for each of those stations you're looking at at least $150-200 million. This includes station renovations.

Waterfront and Stadium will be significantly cheaper as there is space available already for an extension. For Waterfront, you have that corridor on the western end of the platform and for Stadium, you have the elevated guideway leading over to the GM Place side of the street. For the elevated stations, costs will decrease dramatically.


So, this is the likely cost of station upgrades (30-metre platform extensions, new roofs, new lighting, new tile floors, improved accessibility, new elevators, fare gates, CCTV, etc.):
- Waterfront: $80-million
- Burrard: $200-million
- Granville: $250-million
- Stadium: $60-million
- Main: $50-million
- Broadway: $50-million
- Nanaimo: $35-million
- 29th Ave: $25-million
- Joyce: $35-million
- Patterson: $30-million
- Metrotown: $50-million
- Royal Oak: $35-million
- Edmonds: $25-million
- 22nd St: $35-million
- New Westminster: $25-million (lower renovation cost, renovations in progress as part of Plaza 88 development)
- Columbia: $60-million
- Scott Road: $35-million
- Gateway: $35-million
- Surrey Central: $40-million
- King George: $40-million

That's $1.2-billion. Add another $1-billion for the Surrey extension and $500-million for structural enhancements to the guideway (more trains and cars = more weight and more passengers = greater strain on guideway) as well as possible track switch relocations. The $500-million figure also includes the cost of a major track switch for a future T-line extension down King George Highway to Newton. Perhaps you could also add in the cost for a second OMC somewhere along the line.

Add all of that up, and you come to about $2.7-billion. Don't forget a contingency fund for overruns, and you'll be at the government's figure of $3.1-billion.



You can't compare it with the Canada Line. One line is over two decades old, the other is brand new and uses a different type of technology.....nevermind technology, everything about it is different. Expanding and renovating the old costs a hell lot more than building new. Again, you made an apples vs. oranges comparison.
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