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Old April 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM   #2761
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Old April 7th, 2008, 08:05 AM   #2762
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Old April 7th, 2008, 08:06 AM   #2763
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Old April 7th, 2008, 09:41 AM   #2764
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Not to mention that the cost of building will be much higher than it was today.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 10:29 AM   #2765
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The steel structure of the pedestrian walkway to the terminal building has been erected:

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Old April 7th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #2766
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Tafryn's a beast, posted moments ago - taken yesterday:


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Old April 8th, 2008, 01:40 AM   #2767
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Tafryn's a beast, posted moments ago - taken yesterday:


Closer to the airport terminal is a "stop ahead" sign and shortly after that regular "stop" sign. Looks strange. I guess the trains will be run manually for quite some time before they test the automatic train control.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #2768
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- Burrard: $200-million
- Granville: $250-million
Almost half a billion to upgrade two stations?!?

Where did you get those numbers?
I agree the earlier 2 million estimate was way to low but, half a billion?
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Old April 8th, 2008, 02:54 AM   #2769
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No turnstiles in time for Canada Line in 2009
Updated: Tue Mar. 18 2008 19:16:41

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Even as the Canada Line project enters the home stretch, one key part of the project won't be finished.

CTV News has learned that the new "London-style" smart card and turnstile system announced amid much fanfare is still in the design phase and won't be finished in time for the first train.

Having no turnstiles means a green light for riders who don't want to pay, said Evelina Halsey-Brandt, a Richmond city councillor.

"When the province committed to ensuring that turnstiles would be put in, I expected they would be in when the trains were," she said.

"We have the one item that's the easiest to do, to install something physical there and a barrier to keep people from accessing the area where they shouldn't be if they have not paid their fares," she said.

And that means that TransLink lags behind on the system for collecting fares at the Canada Line.





Turnstiles and smart-card payment system won't be installed in time for Canada Line's completion date
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Tuesday, March 18 - 09:35:00 AM Katharine Kitts

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The space has been designed for them but turnstiles and a smart-card payment system won't be installed in time for the Canada Line's completion date. TransLink says it's still studying the option.

They are Canada Line security measures that some Richmond city councillors view as pivotal, including Bill McNulty who says without turnstiles, the line isn't fully ready. He says these turnstiles are one of the safety features that adds to the line and also brings an attitude of welcoming people to use transit.

Drew Snider with TransLink says it would cost more to install and then maintain the security option, and adds they haven't found any proof that they would create safer stations. They feel a human presence would work better. Snider also says it's better to hire more security guards, more uniformed police officers and more surveillance equipment.

He says you really have to look at the accessibility issues with turnstiles and gating and so forth so that we don't wind up shutting out one sector of society while we're trying to catch the relative few people who evade fares or who commit crimes on SkyTrain.

Richmond city council also insists turnstiles are needed to reduce fare evasion. Whatever is decided, it won't be in place for when trains start running in late 2009.

Snider says they are studying the option but can't give a timeline on when we could see the system in place.

On Jan. 14, Premier Gordon Campbell and Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon announced details of the Provincial Transit Plan, an ambitious initiative that will cost in the neighbourhood of $14 billion and provide, and among other things, increased security measures to enhance transit safety and use.

That's sad. I really want turnstiles and smart cards to be out when the Canada Line is completed. I think Translink just doesn't want to spend any money on turnstiles and smart cards. This is just sad!
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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:42 AM   #2770
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Almost half a billion to upgrade two stations?!?

Where did you get those numbers?
I agree the earlier 2 million estimate was way to low but, half a billion?
You do realize that Granville and Burrard stations are underground stations that aren't built to expand its platforms, though it's possible. So you have to mine and dig underground, which is very hard to do so knowing that you also have to keep the SkyTrains running. Platforms do need some upgrade and major tiling work.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:51 AM   #2771
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That's sad. I really want turnstiles and smart cards to be out when the Canada Line is completed. I think Translink just doesn't want to spend any money on turnstiles and smart cards. This is just sad!
Fare gates will be installed over the next few years, just not next year. It takes years to choose the right technology and to design the right system, and considering that this is a very complex computer fare system you would want to make sure you're doing it right.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:59 AM   #2772
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Almost half a billion to upgrade two stations?!?

Where did you get those numbers?
I agree the earlier 2 million estimate was way to low but, half a billion?
This is a major and very complex mining operation. Both Granville and Burrard are decked stations. Granville Station is at least 35-metres below ground level. Crews will have to knock down the concrete wall, mine and dig, and at the same time make sure the station doesn't collapse. Then you need to get all of that dirt out, and you need to get steel beams in, concrete, etc. Burrard Station isn't as deep, maybe 20-25 metres, but it still is a very complex process.

Not to mention that this will be a very time consuming.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 05:21 AM   #2773
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itll be interesting to see what they do with the expo stations since they weren't designed for turnstiles and it'll be interesting to see how things will turn out for Broadway Commercial.. there's already well sized lineups during rush hours even without the turnstiles
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Old April 8th, 2008, 08:26 AM   #2774
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I'm guessing that they will look at that option when the expo platforms are lengthened and station redesign occurs. It would make sense to work that into the plan if they're already going to make so many changes.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 03:43 AM   #2776
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You do realize that Granville and Burrard stations are underground stations that aren't built to expand its platforms, though it's possible. So you have to mine and dig underground, which is very hard to do so knowing that you also have to keep the SkyTrains running. Platforms do need some upgrade and major tiling work.
Yes, I am aware that Granville and Burrard stations would be technically very challenging to expand.

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This is a major and very complex mining operation. Both Granville and Burrard are decked stations. Granville Station is at least 35-metres below ground level. Crews will have to knock down the concrete wall, mine and dig, and at the same time make sure the station doesn't collapse. Then you need to get all of that dirt out, and you need to get steel beams in, concrete, etc. Burrard Station isn't as deep, maybe 20-25 metres, but it still is a very complex process.

Not to mention that this will be a very time consuming.
I just want to put your estimate for Granville station, $250m, into perspective.
This is an excerpt from an article to construct a new Telus office tower in Toronto:

"The TELUS building will be a 30-storey tower featuring 780,000 square feet of Class "AAA" office space, located at 25 York Street on the northeast corner of York Street and Bremner Boulevard. The estimated construction cost of the building is $250 million."

No doubt that upgrades will be very expensive, but I think $250 million is way to high for a 30 metre platform extension.

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Old April 9th, 2008, 03:58 AM   #2777
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Mr.X: can you provide the source of your figures....
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Old April 9th, 2008, 04:43 AM   #2778
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I think those are only estimates but again, you have to take into account that you are expanding two platforms, one on top of each other.

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$ 250,000,000 for a station upgrade? You've got to be kidding?
First, ALL the stations were built with extentions designs built in them.
They will be able to accomodate 8MK1 or 4MK11 cars. It would get very expensive if they tried to extend them further than that because theey were'nt built for that large an extention.
The extions will be about 30 metres give or take. Do you realize you are suggesting that the Granville station extention $9,000,000/metre? Remember even the downtown stations were built for a relatively easy extention of stations to about 100 metres.
The MOST any of the stations would come in would be $5,000,000 which would probably Granville.
Remember the cost of land is which costs the most in buying a house. For even one million you could built a mega-monster house fully loaded to one million. When they designed the extentions being extended that means all the venilation etc is already there. It really is just a matter of extending the platforms themselves.

The ENTIRE 18km RAV most of which is tunnelled and a big bridge over the Frazer came in at $2.2 billion. That included the trains themselves and all the needed bus stations.
Wages don't double in 5 years and I think this will be one, if not the, first project.
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Edmonton's $500 million 500 metre LRT extension from University to Health Sciences was a complex mining operation and that came out to $1 million a metre. According to those numbers, even tacking on 30% for rise in wages and construction materials, should not cost more than $40 million.
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