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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:18 AM   #2781
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$ 250,000,000 for a station upgrade? You've got to be kidding?

The extions will be about 30 metres give or take. Do you realize you are suggesting that the Granville station extention $9,000,000/metre? Remember even the downtown stations were built for a relatively easy extention of stations to about 100 metres.
$250-million might be a bit much, but I have no doubt that it would cost a minimum of $100-million - station renovations included.



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First, ALL the stations were built with extentions designs built in them.
That's incorrect. All of the stations were built to have straight guideway segments before and after the station to allow a platform station. They never had "extension designs".



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They will be able to accomodate 8MK1 or 4MK11 cars. It would get very expensive if they tried to extend them further than that because theey were'nt built for that large an extention.
You mean 6-car Mark II.




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The MOST any of the stations would come in would be $5,000,000 which would probably Granville.
Sure.....in 1950 dollars.

$5-million???

That's the most absurd figure I've ever heard of, and it clearly shows you know nothing about what you're talking about.

You have no idea how complex this process is. This is a deep mining operation. And $5-million does absolutely nothing, that's a complete joke.

Even a elevated station platform extension would cost much more than $5-million. Add in the other renovations to the stations and the average elevated station renovation cost would be around $25-30 million.

A few years ago, Translink announced plans to renovate three Expo stations: Main, Broadway, and Metrotown. That project alone would have cost $15-million, without any platform extensions. At Broadway, $25-million - without platform extensions. For what they were proposing, there was no doubt that there would be cost overruns. And at Metrotown, $50-million: including a 10-metre platform extension, expanded concourse, new roof, new lighting, new floors, second pedestrian bridge, second entrance, widening of existing pedestrian bridge, and new bus loop.



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When they designed the extentions being extended that means all the venilation etc is already there. It really is just a matter of extending the platforms themselves.
Apparently, you still don't get how much mining costs. The matter of extending the platforms is what will cost a bundle.





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Remember the cost of land is which costs the most in buying a house. For even one million you could built a mega-monster house fully loaded to one million.
You're comparing this project with building a house?!!!!! Apples and oranges.





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The ENTIRE 18km RAV most of which is tunnelled and a big bridge over the Frazer came in at $2.2 billion.
Frazer?

The Canada Line is coming in at $2.05 billion, not $2.2 billion. And again, building new is completely different from expanding/improving the old. You cannot compare those two. You've made an apples vs. oranges comparison...yet again.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:31 AM   #2782
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Edmonton's $500 million 500 metre LRT extension from University to Health Sciences was a complex mining operation and that came out to $1 million a metre. According to those numbers, even tacking on 30% for rise in wages and construction materials, should not cost more than $40 million.
Apples vs. oranges. Edmonton's LRT extension was almost entirely tunnel bored, and that's where your $500-million or $1-million/metre figure came from.






Back to my previous post:

Broadway Station second entrance






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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:48 AM   #2783
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Translink has 34 MK11 cars coming in 2009. The total cost......$113. It was negotiated in 2006. Roughly $3,000,000 per MK11
With those extra cars lets add in another 150 MK11 cars at $4,000,000 to account for inflation. Remember these orders will probably be placed by 2010. That's $600,000,000 plus say $200,000,000 for upgraded/expnded warehouse for the SkyTrain cars.
That's $800,000,000 plus a very liberal $1,000,000,000 for the Guilford extention and a whopping $500,000,000 for station extentions which is obscene but just for the sake of argument. With 20 stations that works out to an average of $25 million per station.
Even with these very liberal estimates we are still in at $2.5 billion.

Again where is this $3.1 billion coming from?
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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:50 AM   #2784
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I was working at ______ when I snooped into my structural department's Main Street Science World Station project. The main platform length will still only be 80m after the project is complete, there will be some blocked off platform under the Vancity building but not enough. Seems rather short sighted that they would not allow for the extension to 105m right away, they'd have to rip apart the new East Station house later on otherwise.

The LRT was dealing with complex soil conditions, having to go under tight spaces, etc. I find it hard to believe it'd cost that much as well to extend the two stations. I'll bid... $120mil and $80mil for Granville and Burrard respectively Bob, and not a penny more.

The automation software needs to be overhauled for the load of new trains and extension. Perhaps they want to refurbish the entire MK-I fleet. Anyone seen car 035 lately? Not as snazzy as 147-148 but pretty nice.

I hope, I hope, I really hope they build a parallel express track from New West to Stadium Station, with stops only at Metrotown and Broadway. How's that for dreaming.

I wonder how much the new Granville entrance cost. Did they use the existing refuge/emergency exit shaft?
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:03 AM   #2785
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Translink has 34 MK11 cars coming in 2009. The total cost......$113. It was negotiated in 2006. Roughly $3,000,000 per MK11
With those extra cars lets add in another 150 MK11 cars at $4,000,000 to account for inflation. Remember these orders will probably be placed by 2010. That's $600,000,000 plus say $200,000,000 for upgraded/expnded warehouse for the SkyTrain cars.
That's $800,000,000 plus a very liberal $1,000,000,000 for the Guilford extention and a whopping $500,000,000 for station extentions which is obscene but just for the sake of argument. With 20 stations that works out to an average of $25 million per station.
Even with these very liberal estimates we are still in at $2.5 billion.

Again where is this $3.1 billion coming from?
Again, the $3.1-billion cost does not cover the purchase of additional train cars. The $14-billion transit plan sets aside $1-billion to purchase cars to share among the UBC and Surrey extensions, and the Evergreen Line.


2020 TRANSIT PLAN:
- $2-billion for Canada Line
- $1.4-billion for Evergreen Line
- $2.8-billion for Millennium Line extension to UBC
- $3.1-billion for Expo Line improvements and Surrey extension
- $1-billion for new rail cars
- $1.2-billion for rapid bus BC
- $1.6-billion for 1,500 new buses


The $3.1-billion figure, as well as the other transit line projects, probably accounts for a 10% contingency fund just like the Gateway Project. The Gateway Project will cost $2.7-billion, but it has a $300-million contingency.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #2786
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The LRT was dealing with complex soil conditions, having to go under tight spaces, etc. I find it hard to believe it'd cost that much as well to extend the two stations. I'll bid... $120mil and $80mil for Granville and Burrard respectively Bob, and not a penny more.
$120 million and $80 million for Granville and Burrard.....fine, deal.



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The automation software needs to be overhauled for the load of new trains and extension. Perhaps they want to refurbish the entire MK-I fleet.
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I hope, I hope, I really hope they build a parallel express track from New West to Stadium Station, with stops only at Metrotown and Broadway. How's that for dreaming.
lol, i'd love that too....I'm guessing westbound in the morning rush hour and eastbound in the evening rush hour.




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I wonder how much the new Granville entrance cost. Did they use the existing refuge/emergency exit shaft?
I believe it was around $30-million, but it would've cost a lot more if the entrance wasn't being built on a building under construction. It saved a lot of money in excavation costs.....not to mention that the new building required an excavation hole anyway.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 08:35 AM   #2787
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You mean to tell me that the $3.1 billion WITHOUT the need to purchase the trains having to be budgeted in??

The Guilford Ext is 6km half of the Evergreen Line. Seeing its 12km using SkyTrain-like tech is going to cost $1.4, half that figure is $700,000,000. Remember some of the Evergreen will require tunnelling which Guilford won't. Seeing the trains would be purchased under other funding program which includes storage areas.

Well lets say they really **** up and go way overboard on the costs and the Guilford Ext costs $1 billion, what the hell is this other $2.1 billion?
They are going to be tunneling all the way to UBC for $2.8 billion annd you guys only think its going to cost $2billion for a few station upgrades/ext?
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Oh great now we are questioning on new infrastructure. Note that the 6km line presented in the Provincial Transportation Plan in January is done wrong. In fact I think the route is a little more than that.

And are we forgetting that there will be a need in upgrading the existing OMC? We do need a new future satellite OMC and possible locations are in Surrey and Port Moody/Coquitlam.
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Just to put things into perspective..........the EXPO has 20 stations. Well Edmonton is hoping to build a 20-21k seat new arena downtown for the Oilers. They are estimating $300 to $400 million. Lets say $400,000,000 where wage rates are higher than Vancouver.
Do you actually think it will cost more than that to extend some stations? If you do then I thank god none of you are in the planning dept.
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Please if you are to bring comparisons don't bring up stadiums. Like what mr. x says: apples vs. oranges
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You mean to tell me that the $3.1 billion WITHOUT the need to purchase the trains having to be budgeted in??
Yes, I've only mentioned it a dozen times....


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The Guilford Ext is 6km half of the Evergreen Line. Seeing its 12km using SkyTrain-like tech is going to cost $1.4, half that figure is $700,000,000. Remember some of the Evergreen will require tunnelling which Guilford won't. Seeing the trains would be purchased under other funding program which includes storage areas.
It's all about inflation.

10 years ago, the PMC/Evergreen SkyTrain was projected to cost $600-700 million. Soon after, even LRT cost more than the original NDP-proposed PMC SkyTrain budget.

Did you just calculate the Surrey extension cost by splitting the Evergreen cost in two simply because the Surrey extension is half the length of Evergreen????? .....hate to tell you that it doesn't work that way.



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Well lets say they really **** up and go way overboard on the costs and the Guilford Ext costs $1 billion, what the hell is this other $2.1 billion?
They are going to be tunneling all the way to UBC for $2.8 billion annd you guys only think its going to cost $2billion for a few station upgrades/ext?
Construction on the Surrey extension probably wouldn't start until 2015 at the earliest. Add in inflation between 2008 to 2015 and you're talking about $800-million for the 6-km Surrey extension.

The other few billion will go towards station upgrades and other infrastructural improvements to the Expo SkyTrain line, things that we will not know about until the province announces its official plans. The cost of station renovations and platform extensions will exceed beyond $1-billion.




Do us all a favour and just shut it, you don't know what you're talking about. To even suggest the downtown station renovations would cost $5-million is beyond ridiculous.
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Just to put things into perspective..........the EXPO has 20 stations. Well Edmonton is hoping to build a 20-21k seat new arena downtown for the Oilers. They are estimating $300 to $400 million. Lets say $400,000,000 where wage rates are higher than Vancouver.
Do you actually think it will cost more than that to extend some stations? If you do then I thank god none of you are in the planning dept.
Did you actually just compare a stadium budget to the cost of renovating a rapid transit line???

Are you really that clueless????
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Actually talking about that, the Evergreen Line doesn't have to use SkyTrain technology but instead ALRT. The details of that aren't very clear, but many have speculated that the SkyTrain system does not need to be all SkyTrains by Bombardier. It is possible to have automated conventional rail trains using third rail power (rather than the current linear motor) and run the trains throughout the line. This might be a reason why the Evergreen Line is a little cheaper.

Vancouverite/SFUVancouver is the first member of SSP to bring up this topic.
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Actually talking about that, the Evergreen Line doesn't have to use SkyTrain technology but instead ALRT. The details of that aren't very clear, but many have speculated that the SkyTrain system does not need to be all SkyTrains by Bombardier. It is possible to have automated conventional rail trains using third rail power (rather than the current linear motor) and run the trains throughout the line. This might be a reason why the Evergreen Line is a little cheaper.
Actually, ALRT is SkyTrain. "ALRT" is Bombardier's brand name for its linear propulsion technology, which we call SkyTrain (named owned by BC Transit).

But you're right, the province did announce "SkyTrain or 'ALRT-like' technology".....which puzzles me, as they also mentioned that there would be no transfer at Lougheed.
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once again like i have mentioned previously, there are switches and a third platform already installed at Lougheed station! It would be shame if those are not put to use...
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We will just have to wait and see what the Falcon does....

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I think Rotem, the same guys who are supplying our cars for the Canada Line, also produce ALRT cars but Translink would be nuts not to just Bomabardier SkyTrain. It is logical so I'm betting Translink won't do it.

I heard something about charching extra on the line to YVR? Is that true?. This keeps going from bad to worse.

Also, I took the bull by the horns and contacted Min or Transoportation about the new gov't transit initiatives and especially the Expo ext/upgrades. I asked him about where this $3.1 billion for the Expo would be going. He said they are still trying to work thru the numbers about where all the funds would be going. He said there is obviously going to be a lot of extra funds for Expo because he said all the funds would not be going towards Expo but possibley extending the stations on the MLine as well.

He said, laughingly, that NONE of the station upgrades would come even close to $25 million a piece and if any do he wants to start bidding on some so he could retire.
He said another option was, due to the Expo Line upgrades/extentions would not even come in at HALF the $3.1 allocated, is that the province could possibly pay Translink's and the city's share. In other word's they wouldn't need their contribution do the ext/upgrades on Expo. He said they will come in even cheaper than originally forcast due to Translink has already started to renew/expand Main & Metrotown. Two less to do on the original Expo line before the line waas extended to Surrey.

He said, realistically, that upgrading and extentions on the current SkyTrain will be somewhere between $200-$250 million for all the remaining 18 stations.
He stated the most expensive renos will be the Stad/Gran/Thur/Colum/Broad/Nuwest.

He said will be quite easy and relatively inexpensive suchas all the stations in Surrey, Edmonds, and 29th.

I guess I wasn't as big a "nutcase" as some had indicated when it comes to station costs.



Again, he stated nothing is yet been decided as it only been 8 weeks since the province anounced the iniatives
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From the blueprints I've seen, Main Street is only getting upgraded, not extended. Hopefully they've revised Main Street for the extended platform but too bad I don't have access to the blueprints anymore lol.
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From the blueprints I've seen, Main Street is only getting upgraded, not extended. Hopefully they've revised Main Street for the extended platform but too bad I don't have access to the blueprints anymore lol.
Precisely, though we aren't really sure how much longer. Part of Main Street station will have an actual new building (East Entrance/Exit). It is an oval entrance with escalators leading to the ticket concourse, then escalators up to the platform.

@ssiguy2

I wonder if Waterfront will be recieving a major facelift too, not in the form of just the platforms but the entire station. There are long term plans for a new hub:


Plans for Waterfront Station and the surrounding area ~ Source: SFUVancouver/Vancouverite

If I don't remember wrong, Officedweller mentioned something back at SSP where Stadium station's platform will be extended southeast past Expo Blvd and building a new entrance on that side of the street. This entrance may have an elevator depending [which is needed long time ago].

New Westminster station is being incorporated with that apartment building with Azure @ Plaza 88.

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Riders will get off trains just a few feet from stores
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The New Westminster SkyTrain station will become fully integrated with a $60-million, 170,000 square-foot retail project to be developed over the next three years, city and SkyTrain officials announced Wednesday.

The development is believed to be the first in North America to fully integrate an elevated transit system with a major shopping and housing complex. The station platform is expected to be widened to accommodate SkyTrain riders who will get off and walk to shops before resuming their travel.

The retail project will be part of a $250-million development -- Azure at Plaza 88 -- that will see four residential towers with a total of 800 condominiums built on a 2.1-hectare site at 8th Street and Columbia, across from the New Westminster Quay.

"This is the type of project that will bring New Westminster to where it should be and truly revitalize the downtown," New Westminster Mayor Wayne Wright said in an interview.

The retail development will be anchored by a 37,500-square-foot grocery store, a 17,500-square-foot drugstore and an 11,600-square-foot liquor store. Project developer Michael Degelder said they are in the final stages of negotiations with Save-On-Foods to occupy the grocery space.

SkyTrain chief executive officer Doug Kelsey said SkyTrain won't get any revenue from the New Westminster retail development because it's a private project but noted the transit system is pursuing retail projects at other stations on land it owns so it can gain additional revenues. He said the Lougheed Town Centre station is a likely candidate for future retail development.

"Developments like this move a station from being just a train station into a true community station, with services that make sense for riders on their travels," Kelsey said.

He said criminal activity that takes place around SkyTrain stations such as New Westminster station can be driven away by developments such as Plaza 88 that encourage people to congregate in public places.

"Where there are people, there is typically less crime," Kelsey said. "You end up moving the people that don't belong there and they go elsewhere. We have seen that in other rejuvenations."

He noted the retail project will use features such as open spaces and extra lighting to deter criminal activity.

"This particular station has been very long on my hit list of places that need to be rejuvenated," Kelsey said. "We want to do anything we can to reduce the incidence of crime. Our vision is for SkyTrain to be a place where you go to be safe."

The SkyTrain passenger-level shopping area will feature 120,000 square feet of retail space while another 50,000 square feet of space will be built on the lower level under the SkyTrain guideway.

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A TRANSPORTATION REFORMATION

New Westminster is planning to transform part of its downtown through a "transit village" concept. Here are a few details of the project, due to roll out over the next three years:

- A $250-million, four-tower housing development with 800 condominiums to be built on 5.3 acres.

- New Westminster's SkyTrain station will become the heart of a $60-million retail project, to include:

- 170,000-square-foot retail centre, with

- 37,500-square-foot grocery store.

- 17,500-square-foot drug store.

- 11,600-square-foot liquor store.
Source: Vancouver Sun ~ CanWest Media

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