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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:28 PM   #2901
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Old May 16th, 2008, 03:23 AM   #2902
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great pictures Mr X its progressing very fast now i wish miami would do the same and expand their metrorail system too but Vancouver your lucky that you do have that though.

its just bad because in Miami they are cutting Tri Rail trains and all that its really sad oh man why Miami why?
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Old May 16th, 2008, 05:28 AM   #2903
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We're actually getting another skytrain line by 2014, and both the Expo Line and Millenium Line are going to be extended as well by 2020, for an additional 29km of skytrain.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 08:19 AM   #2904
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Aren't I a an Einstein?..............................................................don't answer that.

Can someone put it up on the thread?

Translink has had good ridership growth since 2002.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #2905
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A little hard to do that since it's a table.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #2906
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Nice to know that they have several projects lined up and are looking ahead in terms of public transport. That isn't always the case round the globe. The first picture of Broadway-City Hall looks like its like just a few metres below surface level. Wow.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 08:22 AM   #2907
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i know i am amazed too we don't get to see that massive construction for Mass Transit around not even here in Miami oh man i just feel awful now.

i am getting the feeling to move towards NYC don't know why?
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Old May 18th, 2008, 04:33 AM   #2908
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The first picture of Broadway-City Hall looks like its like just a few metres below surface level. Wow.
That's what you usually get with cut and cover. Makes getting in and out of the station very easy and quick.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 08:29 AM   #2909
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I did a little investigation. When the province stated that the Evergreen Line {god I hate that cheesy name} would be SkyTrain-like I couldn't for the life of me figure out what they meant. I thought that Bombardier was the only maker of SkyTrain technology{ except for high speed} so it essentially meant a gift to Bombardier.
Well turns out that Hitachi also builds the same cars as the SkyTrain using lineur technology and has sold severval systems in China.

They looked like MK1 cars but they probably make a MK11 rendition aswell. I assume they would be able to work on our current system. I hope so or Bomardier has us by the balls.
Does anyone know of any other systems that are SkyTrain-like?
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Old May 24th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #2910
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^ haven't we already explained that to you before?
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Old May 24th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #2911
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To be fair to ssiguy2, I don't think we discussed other comapnies who make LIM trains: only @ SSP, or at least in detail.

Kawasaki Heavy Industries also makes LIM trains.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #2912
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BTW I disagree with the idea that the MLine should have double it's capacity because something radical might happen..............people will get a seat.

Vancouver has the odd habit of building expensive transit projects but then not purchasing enough rolling stock to go with it. Let's put this into perspective. 6 MK11 cars is only the equivalant of 3 subway cars. Yes, they are very frquent but doesn't change the fact it will only be 3 subway cars. If you want to turn people off transit, making them stand for 20 minutes { and praying someone near you leaves their seat up as they are getting off at the next station} is the way to do it.

I think the first thing Translink should do before any extentions take place is the length ALL the station on both the Mill & Expo lines and double the fleet and or prefferably at the same time do both at the same time. All the new extentions should be have to be able to capable to accomodate 9 MK11 cars to begin with and providing the rolling stock to do it so Vancouver doesn't have to go this again in 20 years.

You build rapid transit for the next 100 years not just to see you thru the next 20.

Toronto opened its original subway in 1954 and metro Toronto had just 1.2 million and they started with just 6 km but they built the stations with the vision of what they would need over the next 100 years. They built the station 150 metres long to begin with and thank god they had the vision to do so. Montreal followed Toronto's ideals. Vancouver has no such vision.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 02:00 AM   #2913
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It's easy for you to say that because you don't consider the fact that there is a pricetag to everything. I'm pretty sure TransLink wants to do exactly that: but where's the funding going to come from? Fare revenue can only give you so much, same with taxes, and the provincial government can only help with so much too. What we need is the Feds to come along the same boat, in which they haven't.

When Vancouver planned ALRT in 1980s, no one would think that there will be so much people. Absolutely no one. I find it quite amazing that they built SkyTrain platforms to 80m in the first place. Luckly, they even planned it so that the platforms can be extended at least to 110, and 120 in some stations. What you have said about doubling capacity and adding more rolling stock is already in the plans. The provincial government is extending platforms, will be adding more trains [that's a given already since they are adding new SkyTrain lines and extending existing ones], and TransLink has been phasing in new SkyTrains already. First batch in 2009, then next in 2010, and more will be coming after.

If you haven't already noticed, the 4 car Mark IIs aren't unreasonably full - yes you do have to stand in peek hours. Imagine when we get 6 car Mark IIs.

When you say Vancouver has no vision, I'm not sure if you realize how much room for expansion we have been including in our transit projects. The only one that doesn't include too much room for expansion is the Canada Line, in which we all agree and heard more than enough complaints from you.

Talking about Toronto here: I wonder what mistake Toronto has done for their Scarbourough RT. They have not made ANY improvements to the RT, although finally, there are a few sketchy plans. The RT is FULL of people during peek hours, there's not enough of 'em running along, and they are wondering whether they can even fit Mark II cars into the line.

Montreal's transit system also comes with a hefty price tag as their rubber wheel metros has to go underground: or at least the entire network is underground at the moment.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 03:11 AM   #2914
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Regarding platform lengths... is it just me, or is the Loughheed station much longer than all the other stations. I never really thought about it until now.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 03:15 AM   #2915
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Perfectly correct answer until...

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Honestly, I don't understand why aren't you moving to Toronto or Montreal if you think they are so good.
We west coasters aren't known for being defensive
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Old May 26th, 2008, 06:14 AM   #2916
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LOL. Fine I'll remove that just for you dleung. =P Nice to see that ur still here... we missed you for a while.

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Regarding platform lengths... is it just me, or is the Loughheed station much longer than all the other stations. I never really thought about it until now.
Yes it is, a lot of which is because it is expected to be a major transportation hub, where the Evergreen Line and Millennium Line will meet. Again, we see "vision." Also, remember the third platform that exists for this station.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 07:32 AM   #2917
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Yes, all things have price tags but you do it right the first time. When building systems for billions, spend the extra couple of hundred million on station platforms and rolling stock.
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People don't like to stand. I go to Commercial Drive twice a week via the SkyTrain from King George. I go at non-peak hours on Thus & Sat and the trains are terminally packed.
I get on at King George and by the time it leaves Gateway people are already standing.
Triple capacity on both the current M & Expo lines immediatly and then worry about expansions. Doing them both at the samee time would, of course, be ideal.

At $5 a pop, people have the right to use SkyTrain without hyperventilating.
Riding in relative comfort should not be considered a luxury.

Proof is in the pudding, Vancouver has the lowest percapita ridership of any system in the western world except the US.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 08:04 AM   #2918
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Gee, tough crowd. I think you gotta take into account the whole transit system, not just the rapid one. Not to mention the other modes of transportation. When it comes to rapid transit, and I know this has been talked about before, Vancouver has started rather late in comparison to those other cities. If Vancouver does in fact have the lowest percapita ridership..., I'm sure it won't be for long. Nothing to get too worried about. I just hope it doesn't take too long for all these skytrain expansion plans to get the funding they need.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 08:36 AM   #2919
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See I would rather have rapid transit be accessible to more people first. Again, expansions will see an increase of capacity. The Evergreen Line will see huge increases in the Millennium Line, with every 2 minutes for a train instead of 5.

It's funny how you keep on mentioning seats 'cuz all of the world's best transportation systems are super packed and busy, namely London Tube, Hong Kong MTR, Paris Metro, Tokyo Metro. Have you ever ridden on one of those before? You know what's packed when you have... Vancouver isn't even comparable yet. The only time I encountered MTR style packed was back when SkyTrain grounded for hours in the snowstorm last year.

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Gee, tough crowd. I think you gotta take into account the whole transit system, not just the rapid one. Not to mention the other modes of transportation. When it comes to rapid transit, and I know this has been talked about before, Vancouver has started rather late in comparison to those other cities. If Vancouver does in fact have the lowest percapita ridership..., I'm sure it won't be for long. Nothing to get too worried about. I just hope it doesn't take too long for all these skytrain expansion plans to get the funding they need.
Exactly. Talking about vision, you can't just focus on transit in general. Look what Vancouver has done in terms of biking, allowing different transportation options. It's safe to say we have the best bike network in North America, although I have to say suburbs should start doing their part. Also look at the density around our rapid transit now: we have Joyce, Metro, and Edmonds [I'm talking about outside the metropolitan centres]. Growing density areas: Brentwood, Holdom, Lougheed, Gateway, and King George. Not to mention Coquitlam already has plans to densify the Evergreen Line corridor. For the Canada Line: Oakridge is slated to be the next municipal centre with more towers there - Richmond's got some amazing density around No. 3 Rd cooridor. Now that TransLink now realizes they hold many expensive properties, they too are going to hop on-board the real-estate boat.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 08:24 AM   #2920
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Vancouver has done a very good job of promoting growth along the SkyTrain lines.

That said, not getting a seat turns potential transit users off. Many people mostly due to the high price of gas are starting to take transit for the first time or using it more regularily and this is a unique time and opportunity for transit.

To maintain those new riders transit must be seen as a true alternative. No one expects there not to be crowds on a train on certain hours. It's assumed. At the same time when trying to persuade those valley dwellersd to switch to transit they want to know the system is fast and reletivly comfortable and standing for 25 minutes doesn't reinforce that especially when paying $136/month or $5 a pop.
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