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Old May 27th, 2008, 08:38 AM   #2921
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Standing for 25 minutes?! Takes me a few minutes at most any time I take the skytrain. Anyway, you know they're expanding, yes? New cars soon to be added.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #2922
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Most people seriously don't mind standing on the Skytrain. The cost of commuting from Surrey to Vancouver is around $18-20 a day ($360-$400 a month) if you factor in the real costs of driving and it's really not any faster. And remember most office workers commute during the peak hours when it's expected to be busy on the skytrain, on the roads, etc. Most workers aren't travelling during non peak hours because they're busy _working_.

If you're talking about 9pm coming from downtown and it's still busy as heck in skytrain, why not it's still the best way to travel from downtown. If you don't like it then... fine don't take the Skytrain and make room for the people who don't mind.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #2923
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Standing for 25 minutes?! Takes me a few minutes at most any time I take the skytrain. Anyway, you know they're expanding, yes? New cars soon to be added.
Exactly, so that's why I don't get why ssiguy2 is even complaining.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #2924
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ssiguy2 if you're physical condition doesn't permit you to stand on a train you should ask for a seat if none is available. Most healthy folk will gladly give up a seat for you.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 03:46 AM   #2925
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The only people that I ever see visibly upset about not getting a seat are the people that look like they don't take transit regularly. Like this lady that I ended up yelling at the other day. She was sooo upset that there was no seat, she tried to get someone to give up a seat for her - she was no more than mid 40's and was perfectly healthy looking. sigh.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 05:04 AM   #2926
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When taking the Skytrain I mostly stand and if possible against the non-platform side doors after Nanaimo as they stay closed the rest of the way downtown....poifect!
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Old May 28th, 2008, 10:05 AM   #2927
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I don't beleive what I'm hearing.
Like I said, people asume they will have to stand and not be terribly comfortable in commuting times but it shouldn't be around the clock.
Everyone knows taking transit is cheaper than a car that not a newsflash. But lest's be honest most pele would much rather take their car than transit. It's faster, more comfortable, enjoyable etc.
Transit has to offer an altrnative that isn't just seen as the poor man's route. That's not how you grow or even maintain ridership.
You guys seem to think the same way Translink does and hence its lousy ridership levels........a comfortable, enjoyable experience is asking too much. Having packed buses go by and hoping you can get on the next one, standing for ever with our groceries or packpaks, having to listen to the driver yell "go to the back of the bus" when you can't move an inch, missing your stop because you can't get to the door before the bus takes off, having to backup to Waterfront Station because you know that it will be packed after it leaves Thurlow. These are reason why peopel don't like taking transit and will revert back to their car as soon as gas prices drop {which most analysts now see as the price is now purely speculatively driven similar to the dot.com metdown}.
Transit is suppose to be more than just cheap but rather a true alternative to driving.

Comfort and having an enjoyable transit experience should never be considered a luxury but rather a right. That is the goal of a truly superior transt service and one that separates those cities that want their cities to be sustainable and those that just wanty to provide a service where you should pleased to be even able to get where you want.

No city will ever be able to acheive that ultimate goal but cities that do not even want to get to that point are just people movers where the patrons needs are considered irrelevant and the community's needs unimportant.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #2928
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I don't beleive what I'm hearing.
Like I said, people asume they will have to stand and not be terribly comfortable in commuting times but it shouldn't be around the clock.
Everyone knows taking transit is cheaper than a car that not a newsflash. But lest's be honest most pele would much rather take their car than transit. It's faster, more comfortable, enjoyable etc.
Transit has to offer an altrnative that isn't just seen as the poor man's route. That's not how you grow or even maintain ridership.
Godammit, we are trying to expand the damn system, we are putting more buses on the roads. THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE. GO ASK THE FEDS FOR MORE MONEY THEN.

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You guys seem to think the same way Translink does and hence its lousy ridership levels........a comfortable, enjoyable experience is asking too much. Having packed buses go by and hoping you can get on the next one, standing for ever with our groceries or packpaks, having to listen to the driver yell "go to the back of the bus" when you can't move an inch, missing your stop because you can't get to the door before the bus takes off, having to backup to Waterfront Station because you know that it will be packed after it leaves Thurlow.
Like I said earlier. It's funny because I don't know if you realize that there is so much more to transportation than to have a seat for everyone.

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These are reason why peopel don't like taking transit and will revert back to their car as soon as gas prices drop {which most analysts now see as the price is now purely speculatively driven similar to the dot.com metdown}.
Transit is suppose to be more than just cheap but rather a true alternative to driving.
AHA good luck in that happening. We have what's called the Carbon Tax which would be implementing soon. =) And amen to that! Finally, more people will get out of their cars and go onto bikes and buses. More people = more demand = more transit.

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No city will ever be able to acheive that ultimate goal but cities that do not even want to get to that point are just people movers where the patrons needs are considered irrelevant and the community's needs unimportant.
God bringing up the people mover again sigh. Yes I agree, blabablabalbalbalbalba. At the moment though, the Canada Line is adequete for the communities.
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Old May 28th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #2929
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I don't beleive what I'm hearing.
Like I said, people asume they will have to stand and not be terribly comfortable in commuting times but it shouldn't be around the clock.
Have you ever traveled on any other metro system other than Vancouver's?

Go to cities like NY, Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc. and 8 times out of 10 you will be standing in a packed train - and this isn't just rush hour, it's anytime during the day.

Did I mention that people are able to stand without complaining for even 25-minutes?

This is the reality of transit around the world.





I think Translink is doing their best with the financial situation their in to resolve crowding issues, and a lot of these issues will be resolved to quite an extent when more new buses arrive, when the new SkyTrain cars arrive next year through 2010, and when the third SeaBus arrives in 2009.

Not to mention that a lot of buses will be freed up when the Canada Line goes into operation....those buses will be headed towards the new B-Line routes on Hastings and 41st Avenue.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 01:32 AM   #2930
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Why do new ones keep coming up. You get rid of one member that drones on and on and on against their own ignorance and then another one is there to replace them.

We ALL wish transit would be seat and even a servant for each passenger but it's unrealistic. And actually, it isn't more comfortable to be sitting in a car. At least standing, I get to enjoy the view from the Skytrain. Perhaps you should actually try it once in a while.

And as for the "poor man's route", there is NOTHING wrong with that. Poor man's route means economical that's the whole point. Your 'concerns' about this poor man's route can only be counteracted with the excess of 'rich' people and their ridiculous Hummers and Sports car that barely seat 2 people (or 1 fat one)!!!!!

I'm not trying to harp on ssiguy2 because his posts elsewhere mostly make sense and add to discussion but there's been enough of criticisum from people about transit from people who admit to not using transit. Not using transit equates to ignorance about the system from sheer lack of use so i highly doubt their understanding of publci transportaion.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 02:13 AM   #2931
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Well at least we get into some discussion and practice our typing skills. Otherwise it'd be a friggen dust bowl around here. Trying to look on the bright side a little.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 12:28 PM   #2932
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ssp local van is where the action is right now
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Old May 29th, 2008, 10:44 PM   #2933
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Have you ever traveled on any other metro system other than Vancouver's?

Go to cities like NY, Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc. and 8 times out of 10 you will be standing in a packed train - and this isn't just rush hour, it's anytime during the day.

Did I mention that people are able to stand without complaining for even 25-minutes?

This is the reality of transit around the world.

I think Translink is doing their best with the financial situation their in to resolve crowding issues, and a lot of these issues will be resolved to quite an extent when more new buses arrive, when the new SkyTrain cars arrive next year through 2010, and when the third SeaBus arrives in 2009.

Not to mention that a lot of buses will be freed up when the Canada Line goes into operation....those buses will be headed towards the new B-Line routes on Hastings and 41st Avenue.
I have to agree with Mr. X.

I spent time in Santiago, Chile and on the way back from Vina Dal Mar, I took the metro from the Alameda bus station to Las Condes where I was staying. It was 10:00pm. Guess what - the trains were running every 2 minutes and they were all packed - we had to stand all the way. I don't think I ever got a seat when riding the metro in Santiago.

Same in London, England. I've ridden express trains around England and I've had to stand on them too. I remember one time riding a high speed train from Darlington to Edinburgh. The train was full, no seats available and many people standing. We spent the 2 hour trip standing in the doorways, or sitting on the floor of the train, drinking beer that we'd purchased on the way to the station.
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Old May 29th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #2934
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so lets the bring the action here
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Old May 30th, 2008, 02:05 AM   #2938
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I don't mind standing, but if I'm in a crush situation where I can barely move, then that's where I might draw the line. How the heck are you supposed to get off at a stop in that situation, when you're penned (sp?) in like that?
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^ i probably wouldn't want to be in a Tokyo packed train situation, but really the endless whining from some members here about the crowding problems on SkyTrain and our buses is nothing compared to what major cities around the world experience around the clock.

Certainly, there's a lot of room for improvement for our transit system but Translink is doing their best with the resources they have in hand. As well, crowding on transit is a norm and this illusion of everyone having a right to a seat is simply retarded and not realistic. The only people who have this "right to a seat" would be the handicapped, the elderly, pregnant women, and children.
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Little hard. No mods doing vancouver's section now and a lot of ppl left SSC because of the members (some are just too "nationalistic" and stupid, don't know what they are talking about [and i'm not talking about anyone here in particular, it get's worse when u discuss about things in the international subforums]). SSP gets a lot of things more "in control" than here.

I've seen the mods here fighting when they are supposed to be moderating -_-"

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