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Old July 28th, 2008, 10:10 AM   #3021
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It's gonna be in fact a great addition to the city's network. Congrats to all of you who have been updating this.

Too bad I won't be able to ride it while in Vancouver.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #3022
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Am just curious ... what program are you using for that bird's eye view photo?

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Old July 28th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #3023
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Am just curious ... what program are you using for that bird's eye view photo?

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That would be Windows Live Search Maps.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 10:50 PM   #3024
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Old July 29th, 2008, 07:24 AM   #3025
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According to this corporate report by the City of Surrey, TransLink has bought up a huge property along King George Highway in Newton. It will serve as the new transit exchange, and according to acknowledgements in the Memorandum of Understanding, will be developed in tandem with TL's and the CoS' goals of building higher density transit villages.

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TransLink has recently acquired a 2-hectare (4.9 acre) property within the Newton Town Centre Plan area, as shown on the map included as Appendix III, with the intention of relocating the transit exchange to this site. The site is located along King George Highway and the BC Hydro Railway Right-of-Way, and will provide a key transit interchange location to connect directly to the proposed Bus Rapid that is planned for the King George Highway corridor. The new TransLink site is large enough to accommodate an integrated Transit Interchange, with land remaining for other uses. Under its new mandate, regarding transit-supportive real estate development, TransLink wishes to develop the "excess" lands on its site to achieve land uses and densities that support transit ridership, and which provide a return on public investment that can be reinvested in further transit improvements.

It is also an interest of the City that the current transit exchange not just be relocated to a new location, but that this new Interchange be the catalyst for mixed-use development at transit-supportive densities that will provide vitality and activity in this area.


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Old July 29th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #3026
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thanks for the info. I never used it before...it gives really great detail, better than Google Earth

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Old July 31st, 2008, 08:25 AM   #3027
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Deasine, thanks for the images, and i followed the link to the Windows Live Search thing.... what a good tool, i just had to work out that the pics are from different periods depending on which way you turn the camera....... i found the exact image i wanted, which showed the track layout from where the two lines come together, right through to the station area, including the links to the maintenance depot.......

This whole project looks great, keep up the good info!
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Old July 31st, 2008, 11:47 PM   #3028
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A few good developments for the "public biking system"

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TransLink considers bike rentals
Plan may include 3,500 bicycles for rent around city
Cheryl Rossi, Vancouver Courier
Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2008

TransLink's board will learn Thursday if a massive self-serve bike rental system will work in Vancouver.

Board members will receive a feasibility study, which is one of the first steps that could see 3,500 bikes for rent from automated kiosks downtown and possibly in Kitsilano, Grandview Woodlands, North Vancouver and New Westminster, said NPA Coun. Peter Ladner.

Ladner says a self-service bike rental system will come to Vancouver. "But not for 2010."

TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said board members will learn where and how an automated bike rental system is likely to be most successful.

Ladner introduced a motion regarding a public bike system when he was a TransLink director last year. The provincial government dismantled the governance board appointed by Greater Vancouver municipalities in favour of a board appointed directly by the provincial government.

If Vancouver rented out 3,500 bikes, it would have the biggest public bicycle system in North America. TransLink asked consultants to propose a business strategy for the system and explore including electric bicycles as part of the public fleet.

Studies of public bicycle systems in Europe reveal bike rental systems aren't profitable, so a partnership between a local authority and a billboard company is usually established. The billboard company receives the right to use public space for advertisements and in return creates and operates an automated bicycle program.

Additional billboards are banned in Vancouver by the city, but Ladner believes existing billboards, bike racks and new fountains could be used for advertising.

A report funded by the European Commission suggests residents of cities with an established bike culture usually accept a moderate user charge. According to a recent article in the New York Times, annual subscriptions for the celebrated public bike system in Paris costs $47. Trips under 30 minutes are free.

Paris is home to the world's largest public bicycle program with 20,600 heavy bikes called Velibs. At least 3,000 bikes, or 15 per cent of the total, have been stolen, which was twice the original estimate for theft, the Times article noted.

Consultants hired by TransLink were asked to study the provision of bicycle helmets, lights and bells, all of which are required under the B.C. Motor Vehicle Act.

Cyclists in Paris aren't required to wear helmets. The Times reported three riders on Velibs have died after being struck by buses or trucks since the system was launched in 2007.

"I'd rather see somebody riding a bike without a helmet than not riding a bike," Ladner said. "So there may have to be some relaxation of the helmet laws."

In a presentation at a car-free conference in Portland last month, TransLink planner Andrew Curran presented data compiled by Pascal van den Noort, a global cycling advocate based in Amsterdam. Van den Noort suggested the number of cycling deaths per kilometre falls when the number of cycling trips grow.

Private bicycle trips also increase once more people get a taste for cycling, Ladner said. He envisions a system that has racks at SkyTrain stations.

Curran's presentation shows public bike system trips in Europe have replaced bus or subway trips by 34 to 65 per cent, depending on the city, and car or motorcycle trips by six to 10 per cent.


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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:23 AM   #3029
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Anyway, I think the Canada Line can't handle every 70 second yet because of the long single tracking at YVR & Richmond-Brighouse. If we double track that area, yes it can handle that frequency.
But remember that trains don't always have to run to the end of track. They can always short turn some trains at Bridgeport or Lansdowne station to avoid the single tracking.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM   #3030
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Old August 4th, 2008, 03:33 AM   #3031
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wow thanks mr x so now at some stations they are covering it up now thats good i am glad its progressing faster then expected.
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Old August 4th, 2008, 05:52 AM   #3032
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wow thanks mr x so now at some stations they are covering it up now thats good i am glad its progressing faster then expected.
Best of all, the line is rumoured to open a full three months ahead of schedule: by the end of August 2009 (rather than November 30, 2009) just in time for the new school year.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 02:28 AM   #3033
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Vancouver SkyTrain

The very first revenue run of Vancouver's Millennium Line SkyTrain at Commercial Drive Station, about 5:30am, August 31, 2002.
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Transit-oriented developments delineate Skytrain's alignment in the suburbs (in this case, near Sperling Station in Burnaby).
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The elevated guideway for the Millennium Line.
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The beautiful Brentwood Station.
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Lougheed Station.
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The Trains. And of course, SkyTrain is a driverless automated system.
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Nearly 50 kms of dual track and 33 stations. The Millennium Line opened in 2002 while the Expo Line opened in 1985 in time for the 1986 World's Fair.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #3034
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I remember catching a SkyTrain from Metrotown (what a massive mall that is) back to the city. It's a really efficient system for moving people.

Amazing that Vancouver has like one Freeway, only a couple of train lines and yet doesn't suffer from chronic congestion like many other North American cities do.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #3035
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thats why vancouver was chosen for the Winter olympics for 2010 good economy, great public transportation options and more options, walk friendly places and such like that.

its great that Vancouver has the longest Automated Rapid Transit in the world and will continue to have more with the new green line that will be another skytrain as well.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 06:39 AM   #3036
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There is some chronic congestion in the Vancouver area during the rush hour.

1. Massey Tunnel is a choke point during the rush hour. Even with the counterflow, the northbound traffic sometimes is very bad, the southbound will be backed up to Bundell Road overpass. During the afternoon rush hour, it takes 50 minutes to get through the tunnel northbound due to the one lane restriction and the mergers from ferry traffic off of 17 and river road mergers.
2. Port Mann Bridge. Every morning 8 km of backups because of a few reasons. No commuter rail goes into the area and there are no traffic queues to hold back traffic. With no reversible HOV lane in the centre of the bridge and only 2 lanes heading into the city, it creates backups. On the Southbound commute, due to no traffic metering, Highway 1 can backup from the Port Mann all the way to the Second Narrows Bridge into North Vancouver.

Here are some other crossing that experience congestion during rush hour
Oak Street Bridge+Oak Street (traffic lights)
Lions Gate Bridge (counterflow)
Pitt River Bridge (counterflow)
Alex Fraser Bridge (bridge without drop lane=chokepoint)
Queensborough Bridge (construction on Marine Way plus traffic from East West Connector)

It is not to the scale of Seattle traffic jams but they still have traffic.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 06:47 AM   #3037
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There is some chronic congestion in the Vancouver area during the rush hour.

1. Massey Tunnel is a choke point during the rush hour. Even with the counterflow, the northbound traffic sometimes is very bad, the southbound will be backed up to Bundell Road overpass. During the afternoon rush hour, it takes 50 minutes to get through the tunnel northbound due to the one lane restriction and the mergers from ferry traffic off of 17 and river road mergers.
2. Port Mann Bridge. Every morning 8 km of backups because of a few reasons. No commuter rail goes into the area and there are no traffic queues to hold back traffic. With no reversible HOV lane in the centre of the bridge and only 2 lanes heading into the city, it creates backups. On the Southbound commute, due to no traffic metering, Highway 1 can backup from the Port Mann all the way to the Second Narrows Bridge into North Vancouver.

Here are some other crossing that experience congestion during rush hour
Oak Street Bridge+Oak Street (traffic lights)
Lions Gate Bridge (counterflow)
Pitt River Bridge (counterflow)
Alex Fraser Bridge (bridge without drop lane=chokepoint)
Queensborough Bridge (construction on Marine Way plus traffic from East West Connector)

It is not to the scale of Seattle traffic jams but they still have traffic.
That's the worst case scenario though, which might happen once every 2 weeks. I'm been on those crossings during rush hour tons of times and it's not always that bad.
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I have a question for Vancouver's skytrain, what is the average speed of the skytrain in miles per hour? Also about how many people can these trains carry on a full load?
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I have a question for Vancouver's skytrain, what is the average speed of the skytrain in miles per hour? Also about how many people can these trains carry on a full load?
Well, average speed really depends on station spacing, grading, and turns on the track. I believe the average speed for Vancouver's is around 55-km/h (i'm Canadian, i hate mph).

Vancouver uses two models of trains, but since Bombardier doesn't produce the Mark I model anymore i'll talk about the Mark II. Vancouver's Mark II trains run in either a 2-car articulated formation or a 4-car articulated formation, pictures above.

Each car is 18-metres long and can hold 130 passengers comfortably while the crush load is around 160 passengers. But really, theoretically it can hold much more than 130 if we didn't have a row seating arrangement and instead had side seats only.

That means each 2-car train can hold 260 passengers and a 4-car train with 520 passengers. The future plans are to extend the station platforms so that we can run 6-car trains.

We ordered an additional 48 Mark II cars, and they will be delivered next year in time for the 2010 Olympics.

System capacity on SkyTrain can handle 30,000 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd), with future plans to increase that to 40,000 pphpd by extending platforms and buying a lot more cars for longer trains and higher frequencies. At 40,000 pphpd, that's the capacity of many heavy rail systems around the world.

And of course, we're also building a 19-km, 16-station automated driverless rail line to the airport in time for 2010 as well. However, it won't be using SkyTrain technology but rather standard third rail like other subways. For more information, visit the thread titled "Canada Line" in this forum.
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Yeah I visited Vancouver and Seattle within a week of each other, an interesting comparison. Seattle had built freeways/motorways like they were going out of fashion. I remember crossing one of the bridges over Lake Washington (where it connects to that big island) and over the course of about 5 minutes thinking "wow I just saw $10 billion of roads". And yet, it was still nose-to-tail the next day when we headed north at rush hour (along the mega-wide I-5). By comparison Vancouver seemed damn easy to get around.

In addition to the SkyTrain, I remember the B-Line buses quite well. How extensive is commuter rail?
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