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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:28 PM   #3241
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Try telling that to its overseas passengers, not to me. Another thing, no matter the safety measure/s devised into the computerised operation, I could never comfortable with trains nearing as close as 75 metres to the ones in front of them...I doubt this practice is of much comfort to such visitors there either. As for your initial golden remark, I find Seattle's choice of local commuter rail the better mode of your networks.



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single-tracking is only for the last 640-metres
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rail - frequency
That's the irony, in that the last bit ain't gonna be double-tracked. This set-up's gonna interfere with the logistics such that frequency'll come last. Double-tracking a terminus is crucial, not merely incidental.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 10:37 PM   #3242
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That's the irony, in that the last bit ain't gonna be double-tracked. This set-up's gonna interfere with the logistics such that frequency'll come last. Double-tracking a terminus is crucial, not merely incidental.
If this were a manually driven system, it would be a problem. Being automated, it's hardly a problem at all. And a frequency of 2-3 minutes can still be maintained in the single-track section because of automation.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #3243
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There oughtta be no problem period. And this whole reliance on its automated attribute is like reckoning no creature's capable of telling when the --err-- relatively short block be occupied by another unit.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 12:28 AM   #3244
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There oughtta be no problem period. And this whole reliance on its automated attribute is like reckoning no creature's capable of telling when the --err-- relatively short block be occupied by another unit.
Oh please, automated systems are proven to be safer than manually driven ones. You're turning a molehill into a mountain with pure ignorance and arrogance.....in fact, there's no molehill to begin with.

The moving block automated system, which calculates a safe zone and speed between trains, is completely safe. And each train has two computers, which send each other the same information simulatenously. If any computer lags in sending information or sends the wrong information, the entire rail system shuts down as a safety precaution. There are many safety checks in the Seltrac automation system.

Not to mention that it's not totally automated, there are people staring at screens at the OMC and tracking the trains obviously.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 01:01 AM   #3245
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You misread me, so why continue with you, right?
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Old December 11th, 2008, 02:18 AM   #3246
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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:24 AM   #3247
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Totally agree with you, that's one of my beefs with the Canada Line....the planned frequency (red=absolutely abysmal):




INTIAL SERVICE PLAN in 2009/2010
7-day frequency (32 vehicles/16 trains required)

Early Morning
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 6 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 12 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 12 minutes

Morning Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Mid-Day
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Afternoon Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Evening
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 6 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 12 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 12 minutes


Late Night
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 10 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 20 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 20 minutes





SERVICE PLAN (will kick in when line gets busier)
7-day frequency (36 vehicles/18 trains required)

Early Morning
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 6 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 12 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 12 minutes

Morning Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 minutes 10 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 6 minutes 20 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 6 minutes 20 secs

Mid-Day
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 minutes 10 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 6 minutes 20 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 6 minutes 20 secs

Afternoon Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 minutes 10 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 6 minutes 20 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 6 minutes 20 secs

Late Night
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 10 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 20 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 20 minutes
whats the m line?

i've waited for a good 15 minutes or more at night to get from brentwood to lougheed

thats why i drive i can be home before a train even shows up
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Old December 11th, 2008, 10:58 AM   #3248
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whats the m line?

i've waited for a good 15 minutes or more at night to get from brentwood to lougheed

thats why i drive i can be home before a train even shows up
Expo Line (Waterfront to King George)
- Peak hours: 2-4 minutes
- Mid-day and evenings: 6-minutes
- Late-night: 8-minutes
- Saturday/Sunday: 6-8 minutes

Millennium Line (Waterfront to VCC)
- Peak hours: 5-6 minutes
- Mid-day and evenings: 6-minutes
- Late-night: 8-minutes
- Saturday/Sunday: 6-8 minutes

Combined Service (Waterfront to Columbia)
- Peak hours: 2-3 minutes
- Mid-day and evenings: 3-minutes
- Late-night: 4-minutes
- Saturday/Sunday: 3-4 minutes



Like I said, late-night frequency on the Canada Line is ridiculous.
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Old December 12th, 2008, 11:08 AM   #3249
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Old December 12th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #3250
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Plumber73, me beats being piped down some tube...
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Old December 13th, 2008, 05:51 AM   #3251
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20 minute frequency late night! Even Seattle Central Link will be doing 15 minute frequency late night!
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Old December 13th, 2008, 06:16 AM   #3252
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Good thing it's only the initial service plan. What time is late night?
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Old December 13th, 2008, 08:33 AM   #3253
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Old December 13th, 2008, 08:34 AM   #3254
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20 minute frequency late night! Even Seattle Central Link will be doing 15 minute frequency late night!
I know! And their system uses drivers, which is more expensive and not as flexible as automated!
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Steve Munro made an entry about the Skytrain in his blog.

It is a good read.

http://stevemunro.ca/?p=1544
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Old December 16th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #3257
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I missed this thread for some reason - dunno actyually why?
I was always in love with Vancouver and with the Skytrain...
...but after having seen all those pics - it's just nothing else but extasy!
Love Skytrain!
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Old December 16th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #3258
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thats why vancouver was chosen for the Winter olympics for 2010 good economy, great public transportation options and more options, walk friendly places and such like that.

its great that Vancouver has the longest Automated Rapid Transit in the world and will continue to have more with the new green line that will be another skytrain as well.
Oh really? With which other communities are you comparing these marvels of that city? You write that about a nation that possesses neither a transport nor a housing policy...
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Transportation minister expects fast track for Evergreen Line

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December 15, 2008 9:01 PM

METRO VANCOUVER - Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon is optimistic the $1.4-billion Evergreen Line will be one of the projects to be accelerated under a federal government scheme to stimulate the economy and create jobs in 2009-10.

The 11-kilometre rapid transit line, which would link Burnaby, Port Moody and Coquitlam, is part of the B.C. government's wish list presented to federal Transport Minister John Baird, who was in Vancouver Monday to meet with Falcon, Premier Gordon Campbell and premiers from Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

Baird will meet premiers of the Atlantic provinces today, then Ontario's premier. The aim, he said, is to hear what projects are ready to go and determine how government can cut red tape and change policy to speed things up.

Projects could range from the Evergreen Line to broadband for rural communities, wastewater treatment plans and ring roads in Alberta, he said. Smaller projects would provide a huge boon to municipalities, he said.

"The prime minister has given me a mandate to make things happen," Baird told The Sun in an interview Sunday. "The Evergreen Line is supposedly in the planning stage. That's understandably one of the biggest projects we're working on with B.C. We'll be looking at what we can do to speed things up."

Falcon said Monday the province is in negotiations with the federal government for funding for the project. It plans to open a construction office in January ahead of signing off on the deal.

The B.C. government has already committed $410 million and TransLink $400 million to the long-awaited Evergreen Line so the federal funding is the "missing piece," Falcon said.

The federal government, which is required to pay a third of the project, has provided $67 million so far and Falcon said he's confident Ottawa will match Victoria's contribution. That would leave the project $200 million short, which Falcon has previously suggested would likely be covered by a private-sector partner. The Evergreen line is expected to be completed in 2014.

Without federal funding, the project is at risk of being scrapped as TransLink struggles to boost revenues to maintain the status quo by 2011.

Falcon wouldn't say what other projects B.C. is pitching for fast-track funding, but noted there is still work to do on plans to replace the aging Pattullo Bridge in Surrey and to extend the Expo and Millennium lines to Guildford and UBC before they are eligible for fast-tracking.

Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini said he's been told since spring that the funding has been approved and will wait to see what happens. "I'm not getting encouraged and over-excited with promises any more," he said.

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Switch Rail Heating

What kind of points heating system is being used to prevent the switches from freezing up now that we are getting into the winter season ?.
Is it something similar to what we use in the U.K.
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