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Old December 29th, 2008, 06:12 AM   #3281
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Is that due to more usage of Skytrain or are the operations not efficient leading to longer wait times between trains?
Good question. I don't think operations and longer wait times have anything to do with it. It's just the general commuting pattern of Surrey now... there are more South of Fraser residents commuting within their region rather than long distance commutes to the downtown core. Having said that, trains are still 65% full, and the only reason the number is this high is because not all trains from Waterfront-Columbia are bound for Surrey. I would say this number is still reasonable though.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:23 AM   #3282
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That has always been one of the big factors as to why SkyTrain has not caught on.......it does very poorly in cold/snowy weather. I'm surprised that Bombardier has not addressed this problem. That is one of the common beefs about Toronto's SkyTrain {Scarborough RT}. It often breaks down duue to weather.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 08:40 AM   #3283
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I wish to hell I could get on a SkyTrain coming from KG to Waterfront only 65% full.
Those additonal SkyTrain cars can't get there fast enough and when they get here the system will still be short of SkyTrain cars to make proper use of the line.
Remember that one MK11 car is one the equivalent of 1 & ahalf subway cars.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 10:46 AM   #3284
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CN has switches buried under metres of snow in mountain passes for months. It is more of an issue of saving money by not purchasing heating equipment for switches....which is not needed 99% of the time in Vancouver.
It would be like buying a 4WD car and winter tires for 1 day of snow in Vancouver (or maybe more once in a decade)...not worth the cost.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 07:02 AM   #3285
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I know the province has commited itself to an Evergreen Line using "SkyTrain-like" technology. Well what other manufacturers are there that could use the ALRT system that would be seemless? It's obviously not an issue with LRT/subway/Monorail but SkyTrain is very unique which has always been my biggest problem with thing.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 07:44 AM   #3286
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Given that the infrastructure already contains a siding, I'd be very surprised if they didn't just build a SkyTrain extension to allow interlining. Otherwise it would be a lot like the constant transferring that plagues Toronto's system.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 09:37 PM   #3287
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I know the province has commited itself to an Evergreen Line using "SkyTrain-like" technology. Well what other manufacturers are there that could use the ALRT system that would be seemless? It's obviously not an issue with LRT/subway/Monorail but SkyTrain is very unique which has always been my biggest problem with thing.
Stop asking the damn question over and over again. I think we've answered it more than three times over at SSC AND at SSP.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 09:44 PM   #3288
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That answer exeplifies why SkyTrain was not only a mistake but an expensive one to boot.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 10:00 PM   #3289
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That answer exeplifies why SkyTrain was not only a mistake but an expensive one to boot.
Well isn't each monorail track practically different? Meaning you are kinda locked to the same company unless you have to design a personalized rolling stock? It's possible to run regular conventional rail trains on SkyTrain tracks, you just have to pay lots of money to get something personalized.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 03:51 AM   #3290
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Rail rapid transit, especially that which is completely grade separated, is expensive where ever you go. Metro Vancouver does not have miles of abandoned freight railway lines where cheap DMUs can be deployed all over the place. Everybody thinks the grass is greener on the other side. The truth is that nothing in this industry is cheap. Yes, SkyTrain has issues in the snow. A lot of systems have issue in heavy snow however and we really aren't that acclimatized to it in Vancouver. You may notice during the big dump of snow that getting around in a car or on the bus was not a picnic either. Why are people so shocked that SkyTrain should have problems too? People love to pick on SkyTrain and the snow brings all the SkyTrain haters out. Usually the most critical people know the least and have nothing better to do than spend their life bitching and moaning about every small thing anyways. People will go on and on about the 1% of the time that things don't go optimally, yet conveniently forget the 99% of the time that things go without a hitch.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 06:10 AM   #3291
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is that kind of snowfall unusual or is it to be expected during normal operation, if its to be expected then damn better hope the snow dont short the 3rd rail
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Old January 1st, 2009, 06:18 AM   #3292
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is that kind of snowfall unusual or is it to be expected during normal operation, if its to be expected then damn better hope the snow dont short the 3rd rail
It's exceedingly rare. Vancouver only gets 55 cm of snow a year on average, and snow tends to melt within a couple days of falling. In general it's of little concern; this year was a major exception to the rule.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 09:51 AM   #3293
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is that kind of snowfall unusual or is it to be expected during normal operation, if its to be expected then damn better hope the snow dont short the 3rd rail
We had a record 88cms of snow in Vancouver during the month of December. And most of that was from less than one week.

I believe it broke the 50 year record.



It shouldn't be too much of a problem considering most of the line is underground, and the rest is at lower elevation/sea level more prone to rain rather than snow.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 10:01 AM   #3294
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Well, these type of problems are things that they'll look into fixing. It's not like skytrain is forever flawed. Even after being in operation since 85, it's still a work in progress. The heavy snowfall just threw them a problem that they've never been able to test for. And as the system grows, new problems will present themselves. Just growing pains, which I bet every type of system goes through.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 10:43 AM   #3295
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I believe it broke the 50 year record.
More like 0.7mm AWAY from breaking the record >=/

Do you know if there is one more switch underground before Marine Drive or after Marine Drive? At least if it does become impossible to operate over the guideways, the could keep the Vancouver/underground portion running (though that's almost a never case)
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 12:49 AM   #3296
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2008-12-30 - Aberdeen Station
















2008-12-30 - Lansdowne Station



Notice the east side finally has the glass to the roof.














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Old January 3rd, 2009, 01:29 AM   #3297
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nice new pics mr x... that glass looks a lil too imposing to me. Some white steel bars somewhere on that facade would break up the glass.... but thats just my humble opinion
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 09:53 PM   #3298
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Does Translink have any plans to improve Granville & Burrard stations. They are so dark its depressing.
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Old January 4th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #3299
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They already made lighting improvements to Granville. It's not that dark anymore (other than the "new" area... which is really bad)
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Old January 5th, 2009, 05:31 AM   #3300
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I'm surpised that the elevator shafts are fritted so heavily.

The archietcts' renders (from Busby & Assoc website) show transparency with banding:
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