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Old January 5th, 2009, 09:36 AM   #3301
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I know that the TTC is planning to extend, despite protest, the Scar RT {SkyTrain} but their MK1 trains are nearing their expiry date of 2015 but the MK11 cars can't handle the tight curves of their present line. That will result in hundreds of millions of dollars to help straighten out the curves. Does anyone know of any new trains that may be developed { MK111 ?} that could be used by the TTC or any new vehicle types at all that are being developed?
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Old January 5th, 2009, 11:38 AM   #3302
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^ i think it's a pretty bad idea to frit it at all, there should be high visibility into the elevator at all times.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #3303
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^I think the plan for the SRT is to have the line reformed to handle MKII cars.

The stations that pose an issue as well as they are not quite the proper length.

There is a small part of me that hopes the TTC gets whatever it is going to do to the line right. The Skytrain was designed and built far better than the SRT.

On another note, does anyone have the daily performance numbers for the Skytrain handy?
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Old January 5th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #3304
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^ and the retarded thing is the SRT is automatic, yet you have the union forcing the TTC to have drivers on them. o_o

How long are the SRT platforms btw?


SkyTrain has a daily ridership of 260,000.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #3305
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^I don't know exactly but it uses 4 MKI car trains so I figure about 160" or 55m.

The ridership is about 45,000 a day on 6.4 Km or 4.2 Mi.

I'm sure it would be higher except due to the systems limitations the RT tends to be packed during peak times.

Overall the line for various different reasons has not lived up to it's potential.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:38 AM   #3306
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One TTC representative claimed that the Mark II barely fits RT tracks... sigh... They really need to upgrade the stations as well... the TTC RT stations just look horrendous.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:41 AM   #3307
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Well it's supposed to create design interest. At the moment, the Richmond stations look a little boring albeit nice and clean. I thought it was quite random when they were fritted as well... at least the way they did it. Then again, a lot of the things on the Canada Line look quite different from the renderings, including the wood ceiling(more like light ikea wood currently)
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Old January 6th, 2009, 09:42 AM   #3308
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One TTC representative claimed that the Mark II barely fits RT tracks... sigh... They really need to upgrade the stations as well... the TTC RT stations just look horrendous.
the mark II can fit in the stations just fine (just barely). The problem is the tunnel before Ellesmere...lack of headroom or something like that...which requires the expensive refit.

There is the other possibility...that TTC will abandon the ART technology and go back to streetcar/LRT

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Old January 6th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #3309
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^The issue with that option is that the RT uses a different gauge than the rest of the system.

Inorder for the SRT ROW to be serviced by the same fleet as the rest of Transit City, it would have to be changed as well as the power system. A very costly option that is.

The RT was a mistake.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 08:26 PM   #3310
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Rebuilding the tracks is the least of the TTC's worries WRT the Scarborough RT line.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 07:08 AM   #3311
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Ya, the TTC seems like to have a lot of problems with SRT that SkyTrain doesn't.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 08:18 AM   #3312
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Ya, the TTC seems like to have a lot of problems with SRT that SkyTrain doesn't.
which is why there is some thought to the idea of chucking it all and going streetcar/LRT/TC instead.

Metrolinx proposed an Eglinton line using ART technology...connecting SRT to the Airport...as a way of "saving" the ART...but I believe that proposal has died now.

The momentum is building to replace the ART technology with 'streetcar/LRT/TC"...dunno how it will play out tho. We will see what happens when Metrolinx's proposal is finally integrated with TTC's proposals and GO's proposals.

Heheheh the elephants are about to clash...

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Old January 7th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #3313
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^As far as I know as well the powers that be have decided that it does not make sense to pursue the ICTS on the ECTL option.

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Ya, the TTC seems like to have a lot of problems with SRT that SkyTrain doesn't.
Quite simply because the line was laid out for a LRT, then changed, also being the pilot project for the technology, coupled with poor management the RT was doomed to be a line with issues.

It was not given the good management and design the Skytrain has.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM   #3314
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The Annual Look-Ahead Schedule is out: http://canadaline.ca/documents/Annua...ntoDec2009.pdf

Notice all the construction will be completed before August... And everything other than the Cambie St. Offramp will be completed by end of June. =D [Train testing doesn't count]
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Old January 15th, 2009, 01:16 AM   #3315
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I wish to hell I could get on a SkyTrain coming from KG to Waterfront only 65% full.
Those additonal SkyTrain cars can't get there fast enough and when they get here the system will still be short of SkyTrain cars to make proper use of the line.
Remember that one MK11 car is one the equivalent of 1 & ahalf subway cars.
Are you sure about this? I could believe that one Mark II train is the same as one and a half subway cars, but they (Mark IIs) seem too small to compete car for car.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:51 AM   #3316
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New SkyTrain Mark IIs with new design livery and seat configuration.









Youtube Video


Click to view in high quality

Significant Changes:
  1. New Colour Livery and Design that reflects the current bus designs. This design will make the trains look less dirty (compared to the current Mark II vehicles).


    The colour design is also similar to the original Mark II train design for the Millennium Line:
  2. New Seat Configuration. They removed one seat from each row on one side of the train. These seats are also the ones found on the buses.
  3. Exterior Destination Sign right in the front of the train
  4. Overhead bar on the ceiling running throughout the length of the train.

From The Buzzer Blog:
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The first of 48 new SkyTrain cars has arrived at SkyTrain headquarters! I took a video because a photo couldn’t quite capture the whole train — beware, you can hear me talking in it.

Bet you didn’t expect it to be grey and blue, did you? The cars are painted to match the new livery on the bus fleet. It’s so different from the white SkyTrain cars, but you might see them mixed and matched in the future—the new cars, which are all Mark II cars, can be attached to the older white Mark II cars.

Two of the 48 cars have actually arrived: you can see one in front of the other in the video and the photos later in this post. They will be paired into a single train with that grey accordion bit in the middle. (For those that don’t know, the Mark II cars are the newer looking cars with the grey accordion gangway in the middle. Mark Is are the classic cars from the 80s.)

The new cars are currently being un-shrink-wrapped and getting some parts installed, and will then undergo testing and commissioning before starting service later this year. They also have awesome new interiors with exciting features — but I can’t share them all with you until we do an official launch in a month or so! Be patient though: I’ll be all over that when the official launch happens

And as promised, I’ve got more photos of the new cars after the jump! Click each photo for much, much larger versions.
Source: The Buzzer, TransLink

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Old January 15th, 2009, 05:01 AM   #3317
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I think he meant 1.5 MK I.

New SkyTrain Mark IIs with new design livery and seat configuration.









Youtube Video


Click to view in high quality

Significant Changes:
  1. New Colour Livery and Design that reflects the current bus designs. This design will make the trains look less dirty (compared to the current Mark II vehicles).


    The colour design is also similar to the original Mark II train design for the Millennium Line:
  2. New Seat Configuration. They removed one seat from each row on one side of the train. These seats are also the ones found on the buses.
  3. Exterior Destination Sign right in the front of the train
  4. Overhead bar on the ceiling running throughout the length of the train.

From The Buzzer Blog:
Quote:
The first of 48 new SkyTrain cars has arrived at SkyTrain headquarters! I took a video because a photo couldn’t quite capture the whole train — beware, you can hear me talking in it.

Bet you didn’t expect it to be grey and blue, did you? The cars are painted to match the new livery on the bus fleet. It’s so different from the white SkyTrain cars, but you might see them mixed and matched in the future—the new cars, which are all Mark II cars, can be attached to the older white Mark II cars.

Two of the 48 cars have actually arrived: you can see one in front of the other in the video and the photos later in this post. They will be paired into a single train with that grey accordion bit in the middle. (For those that don’t know, the Mark II cars are the newer looking cars with the grey accordion gangway in the middle. Mark Is are the classic cars from the 80s.)

The new cars are currently being un-shrink-wrapped and getting some parts installed, and will then undergo testing and commissioning before starting service later this year. They also have awesome new interiors with exciting features — but I can’t share them all with you until we do an official launch in a month or so! Be patient though: I’ll be all over that when the official launch happens

And as promised, I’ve got more photos of the new cars after the jump! Click each photo for much, much larger versions.
Source: The Buzzer, TransLink
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Old January 15th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #3318
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looks good

not sure about the new seating arrangement
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Old January 15th, 2009, 09:18 AM   #3319
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I saw that the feds just announced this week big money for Translink and Translink says part of that money will go towards purchasing 39 new MK11 cars. Is that on top of the current fleedt arriving this year or just renouncing money they already said they would send?
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Renouncing.
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