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Old March 3rd, 2009, 09:20 AM   #3341
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Yea! More SkyTrain! How are the ridership levels? I've been waiting for some sort of expansion for a while now...
Daily ridership is 271,000 (2007), according to Wiki. Numbers will climb with the vehicles they've added. The new Canada Line could add another 100,000 at launch, which could happen as early as August. So the ridership is going to ramp up dramatically over the next 5 years with the addition of the Evergreen Line.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:10 AM   #3342
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What's the service like along the West Coast Express Line? Wouldn't it be easier to upgrade that line than this project? Not that I'm against any public transport project.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:25 AM   #3343
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The WCE realistically can only cater for those travelling to and from downtown (and to a lesser extent those along the north shore of the Fraser), because of the huge void west of Port Moody, and costs are driven up by the fact that CP Rail prioritizes its freight trains and only grudgingly accepts the existing rush hour service.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:37 AM   #3344
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Ah... thanks for that. So no real opportunity to expand services then. I've used the SkyTrain and it's fantastic. Would trains be running from Coquitlam all the way to downtown, or will people have to transfer?
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 11:11 AM   #3345
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Ah... thanks for that. So no real opportunity to expand services then. I've used the SkyTrain and it's fantastic. Would trains be running from Coquitlam all the way to downtown, or will people have to transfer?
The WCE contract ends in 2015 if I remember correctly... TransLink might be looking into some sort of expansion. I really want the West Coast Express to be electric but more importantly, use the Interurban line in the South of Fraser as the second West Coast Express line and somehow connect those two together. There is plenty of room for expansion, including even double tracking. The SkyTrain guideway will take some space, but there is still enough room.

Currently, the Evergreen Line will be running between Coquitlam and Lougheed Town Centre, meaning passengers will have to transfer onto the Millennium Line. However, TransLink documents are suggesting for a more logical plan, running the Evergreen Line from Coquitlam straight to VCC/Clark (and potentially to UBC). The Millennium Line will then be either
  1. Running from Waterfront to Lougheed Town Centre via Columbia
  2. running as a shuttle service from Columbia to Lougheed Town Centre

(I prefer the first option). I believe TransLink is right now leaning in option 2 but things change all the time right?
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 06:34 PM   #3346
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And the new trains on the left:






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Old March 4th, 2009, 06:46 AM   #3347
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I hope you guys in Vancouver will track the progress of the Evergreen line in great detail, like you did with the Canada line

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Old March 4th, 2009, 08:20 AM   #3348
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I like those trains. Very sleek looking.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 09:11 AM   #3349
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Good grief, Harper is being shown what a train looks like? I thought he was allergic to transit. Vancouver's system looks good. I realize that there are technical criteria, but this is basically a subway system that Vancouver has when you talk about 'Skytrain'. Upon completion of the Evergreen Line in 2014, how long will the total Vancouver system be in kilometres?
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Old March 4th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #3350
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Current System Length (Expo Line and Millennium Line):
49.5 km

Mid-2009 System Length (Opening of the Canada Line):
68.5 km

2014 System Length (Opening of the Evergreen Line):
79.5 km
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Old March 5th, 2009, 06:35 AM   #3351
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I think that 180 km/h is still pitifully slow when you consider high-speed rail in France and other European countries runs at nearly twice that speed. I don't think I would use it unless it was much faster than travel by car, and since there would be some sort of border stop anyways, and I usually speed lol, I can't see the point.

P.S. Miles per hour? C'mon guys we're Canadian and better than that. No sense in living in the dark ages lol.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 06:39 AM   #3352
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I think that 180 km/h is still pitifully slow when you consider high-speed rail in France and other European countries runs at nearly twice that speed. I don't think I would use it unless it was much faster than travel by car, and since there would be some sort of border stop anyways, and I usually speed lol, I can't see the point.
The plan is to put all the border obstacles at Pacific Central Station.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 07:15 AM   #3353
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The plan is to put all the border obstacles at Pacific Central Station.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 09:00 AM   #3354
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I really hope they include enough rollstocl to make all trains 6 car trains as opposed to waiting for everyone gasping for air til Translink begrudgingly buys more SkyTrain cars. When spending this kind of money an extra $40 million is peanuts for another 10 cars.
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TransLink is purchasing 74 more Mk II cars with delivery between now and 2013. This does not include cars for the Evergreen Line. When all the cars are delivered, each train serving the Expo or Millennium line will either be a four car Mk II train or a six car Mk I train. The only hitch is that funding for the latter part of the order is contingent upon TransLink getting a new revenue source that would allow all future expansion programs to proceed.

I don't think the "begrudging" comment is fair. TransLink is doing the best it can with the funds it has. Unfortunately, the public is highly averse to paying any extra fees or taxes. If no new sources of revenue can be implemented, then funds must come from cuts to other government programs or the cancellation of transit expansion and even some cutbacks.

Unfortunately, there is no free ride here. All this stuff costs money. A fact that seems lost on too much of the public who expects the government to magically solve all their problems and wanting to pay nothing for it.

Getting back on topic, the final details of what all is included in the final cost of the Evergreen Line have yet to be revealed. A few things have changed since the previous LRT proposal. Now there are only six stations to serve including Lougheed Stn which is already there, just needs expansion. Whether or not an Operations and Maintenance Facility is included is unknown, but it is likely there will be one. This line is to be integrated with SkyTrain which means that the operations of both the SkyTrain and Millennium Lines will have to be re-examined including storage and maintenance needs as well as fleet size. If they are smart, they will also include any future western expansion of the Millennium Line in these calculations as well. In other words, there is a lot we don't know yet until detailed plans are public...so criticism that is made up entirely of speculation is really not warranted.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 04:42 AM   #3356
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Well said.

Just a note: in the future, MKIs will be using the Evergreen Line. Most MKIIs will be operational on the Expo Line only to increase the capacity and move more people.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 06:33 AM   #3357
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So this is 74 new 36 metre cars..........that will be great.
Maybe I was a bit unfair to Translink but Vancouver has a habit of building big expensive rapid transit lines but then not buying enough rolling stock to create high frequency full station cars. Its better to spend the little extra at when building the line because it will be calculated into total price being shared by the other gov't...........nobody knows if future prov/fed gov't will be willing to help at a later date. Also nothing turns off potential transit customers and "choice" transit riders than being packed in like a sardine. Most people expect and accept it to a point during rush-hour but when it happens during the day or weekends it really turns people off and creates a negative view towards transit. People who have to take transit is talking to the converted........they have to take it regardless but in order for Translink to increase its per-capita ridership levels it has to offer good service for those who have alternatives. Those people with cars won't take transit if they don't have to {especially after 6pm and weekends} unless they feel they are getting good value and $5 ticket just for the pleasure of having to stand up for 20 minutes won't do it.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 10:18 AM   #3358
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You have to realize that at the moment, we cannot really add more trains to lower the frequency. The SkyTrains are running at an average between 60 - 100 seconds per train. Theoretically, the system is able to run smoothly with a frequency of 45 seconds, but if anything happens (i.e. holding doors), then everything ends. Without expanding the current system or lengthening trains, there is no way we can add more trains running on the Expo and Millennium Lines (as they are connected).

We've purchased the trains, it's a matter of getting them in service now. You seem to think that TransLink can just magically build trains in a matter of days and have them running on the line. It doesn't work that way: it takes time. Infrastructure takes time.

A lot of the times, you are thinking a little too simple with regards to ridership. We do not have high ridership levels compared to other Canadian cities but at the same time, we aren't designed like many other Canadian cities either. Within a small area like the size of Metro Vancouver, there are so many smaller urban centres compared to the same area in Toronto, for instance, where they have two or three large urban centres. People in Vancouver are moving everywhere where as people in Toronto are being funneled into the city core. In Vancouver, we need infrastructure everywhere at that is costly and takes time to build. We must work on building a basic high capacity system that reaches somehow reaches all these urban centres before we begin looking into building medium capacity public transit infrastructure (such as LRT) and lower capacity routes (such as BRT, Express Buses, etc.).
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Old March 7th, 2009, 05:39 AM   #3359
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Totally right, our region is so big it is tough to have a comprehensive system. I think over the long term we need something like the Gautrain being build in Pretoria/Johannesburg in South Africa that is somewhere between high speed rail and a heavy metro, that can move people from the outer suburbs and maybe even abbotsford/mission at a decent speed. Skytrain can only expand so far, if it went further than langely travel times to downtown could exceed an hour which is just too much imo.
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So this is 74 new 36 metre cars..........that will be great.
Maybe I was a bit unfair to Translink but Vancouver has a habit of building big expensive rapid transit lines but then not buying enough rolling stock to create high frequency full station cars. Its better to spend the little extra at when building the line because it will be calculated into total price being shared by the other gov't...........nobody knows if future prov/fed gov't will be willing to help at a later date. Also nothing turns off potential transit customers and "choice" transit riders than being packed in like a sardine. Most people expect and accept it to a point during rush-hour but when it happens during the day or weekends it really turns people off and creates a negative view towards transit. People who have to take transit is talking to the converted........they have to take it regardless but in order for Translink to increase its per-capita ridership levels it has to offer good service for those who have alternatives. Those people with cars won't take transit if they don't have to {especially after 6pm and weekends} unless they feel they are getting good value and $5 ticket just for the pleasure of having to stand up for 20 minutes won't do it.
Jesus Christ....how many times do we have to tell you that a 2-car train is NOT a train itself? They are two independent cars jointed together!

TWO CARS, NOT ONE! HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?!!!




As for the whole standing thing, that's just nonsense again from you again....obviously, you haven't been to other metros around the world.




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Maybe I was a bit unfair....
That's one massive understatement.
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