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Old July 5th, 2005, 07:46 AM   #321
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The bus style looks old because it is an old bus. The bus' body is a New Flyer D40LF (First ever North American Low Floor Bus Model) with what looks like a D40invero front end, and with the additional stuff on the roof.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 08:46 AM   #322
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Vancouver will not densify Cambie significantly. There might be a few low rise condos etc but not anything even remotly close to justifying a subway.
Too bad Vancouver has always suffered from good urban planning or the line could be built for a quarter the price.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 10:12 AM   #323
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Vancouver will not densify Cambie significantly. There might be a few low rise condos etc but not anything even remotly close to justifying a subway.
Too bad Vancouver has always suffered from good urban planning or the line could be built for a quarter the price.
Don't kidd your self. Things change all the time, Cambie will densify at some time. Maybe this council won't allow it but at some time anouther council will.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 10:31 AM   #324
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Don't kidd your self. Things change all the time, Cambie will densify at some time. Maybe this council won't allow it but at some time anouther council will.
exactly...this was what I was trying to get at earlier

By the way, when is the VCC station coming into service?
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Old July 5th, 2005, 06:29 PM   #325
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Don't kidd your self. Things change all the time, Cambie will densify at some time. Maybe this council won't allow it but at some time anouther council will.
What other council? The "village by the sea" creme de la creme controlled NPA? Let me remind you it is that council that made Cambie a "heritage boulevard" from direct orders by those rich Westside jackasses! If it weren't for them, RAV would have been cheaper and the rest of the region would have seen a much more expanded and seamless rapid transit system.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 09:59 PM   #326
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One consideration with RAV is that the Province required that it be a Public-Private Partnership (PPP) - and in the Request for Proposals, in order to establish a level playing field for all bidders, the inclusion of efficiencies from interlining trains or using existing Skytrain maintenance facilities was NOT allowed in the bids. Otherwise, Bombardier would have had an unfair advantage. From the outset - the RAV line was planned to be fully independent of the existing Skytrain lines - so it could be operated by the private partner under the Design, Build, Partially Finance, Operate and Maintain contract (mind you, if Bombardier had won the bid, I'll bet there would have been some push for interlining, etc.).

When they talk about the future - the RAV line will be around for 100 years - I can see mid-rise density (like on other main streets like West Broadway near MacDonald or the Arbutus Lands) creeping south from 16th and south from 41st. Not sure about the Cambie approaches to QE Park - I think there would be opposition to that.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 06:21 PM   #327
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I want more pics!!!!!!
anyone know when they will be put in service.
too badd seattle didn't get these!
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Old July 6th, 2005, 06:29 PM   #328
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I want more pics!!!!!!
anyone know when they will be put in service.
too bad seattle didn't get these!
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Old July 6th, 2005, 06:50 PM   #329
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In 100 years Cambie will not be high density if the rezoning doesn't take place.
The city of Vancouver will most likely have fewer people than it does now. Nothing to justify heavy rail.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 09:21 PM   #330
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On Translink's website it says "A new fleet of 228 low-floor trolley busses will make the fleet fully accessible by 2007." I think they are being phased in but by 2007, all 228 of them should be running.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 11:03 PM   #331
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I've never seen a New Flyer 40LF electric trolley bus before, most I've seen are diesel 40 feet and 60 feet models. Seattle has the New Flyer DE60LF (diesel electric 60 feet low floor). those are the hybrid ones. We also have the old M.A.N. 60 feet trolley bus and a few old breda 60 ft tunnel bus converted to electric only, added with new LED densination sign, LED turn signals, re-painted and rebuilt electric motor, that saves the king county metro transit buying brand new 60 feet trolley bus.
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Old July 7th, 2005, 02:21 AM   #332
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there is just something a little bit odd that all the people speaking with authority on how much they hate RAV, how useless, expensive, and stupid it is, and how the City of Vancouver is impotent and incompetent........are not from vancouver.

We got a guy on Salt Spring Island, a guy in Portland, and a number of guys in Toronto.


How'bout doing us all a favour and STFU. The people of Vancouver support the line, support it's cost, and have confidence that the density around the line and other issues will all be resolved to our satisfaction. Why? Because we have no reason not to have confidence. Vancouver has no major city planning blunders in it's history, unlike most cities, and we are confident this will continue.
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Old July 7th, 2005, 04:42 AM   #333
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Iv wondered the same thing my self I belive I even mentioned it a while a go. Wally did live here and he has raised a few good points, but KGB and other Toronto forumers don't know anything about Greater Vancouver's transit system. One Toronto forumer even said that he thinks Skytrain is like their GO trains.

So why is everybody who dosn't live in the Greater Vancouver against RAV?
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Old July 7th, 2005, 05:04 AM   #334
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Iv wondered the same thing my self I belive I even mentioned it a while a go. Wally did live here and he has raised a few good points, but KGB and other Toronto forumers don't know anything about Greater Vancouver's transit system. One Toronto forumer even said that he thinks Skytrain is like their GO trains.

So why is everybody who dosn't live in the Greater Vancouver against RAV?
Me too.


New news. McCallum, Surrey Mayor and head of Translink, is pushing for turstiles at RAV stations. Maybe this all of a sudden push was a result from all those recent SkyTrain attacks.
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"Vancouver has no major city planning blunders in it's history, unlike most cities"


I'm afraid this rapid transit system certainly will not be judged as a brilliant piece of work. But then again, the region it is designed to serve does not make the job easy in the first place. It isn't built in a manner which can support very good mass transit (outside of a small downtown area, it's all rather suburban). Not only that, it doesn't have particularilly good highway systems to handle this suburban built form either.







"One Toronto forumer even said that he thinks Skytrain is like their GO"


Well, since Skytrain's main focus is to shuttle commuters to downtown from the burbs, it is. The difference being, that in the Toronto region, these two different modes (inner-city rapid transit and commuter transit) are separated and designed specifically for those two very different needs...TTC looks after municipal transit and GO handles regional commuter transit. In vancouver, they try and combine the two.








"One consideration with RAV is that the Province required that it be a Public-Private Partnership"


Another major red flag....governments go for this bad idea, because it sounds like the tax-payer is off the hook...and isn't that wonderful? Unfortunetely, the reality is, that private corporations are in it for a profit, which means they want all the juicy bits, and want the gov't stuck with all the crappy bits...not a very good deal in the long run....the taxpayer gets shafted eventually...but the gov't doesn't care...odds are, they won't be there anyway when down the road, this comes back to haunt everybody.

Since these lines are never going to be cost efficient, you are either going to have to fork it over in higher taxes...or higher fares...but one way, it will have to be paid.






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Old July 7th, 2005, 05:32 AM   #336
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Well, since Skytrain's main focus is to shuttle commuters to downtown from the burbs, it is. The difference being, that in the Toronto region, these two different modes (inner-city rapid transit and commuter transit) are separated and designed specifically for those two very different needs...TTC looks after municipal transit and GO handles regional commuter transit. In vancouver, they try and combine the two.
Jesus Christ. Now what is wrong with having one organization control both the municipal and regional commuter transit? Why don't you also add in the fact that the city of Toronto is several times larger the city of Vancouver, and that Toronto keeps on swallowing up its surrounding municipalities. If Vancouver had done the same and almagate with all the cities around, there wouldn't be this "suburban commuting [email protected]" as this is just a technicality!

This is a stupid excuse comparing Toronto and Vancouver.
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"Jesus Christ"


He might be helpful...he does have that miracle thing going for him. LOL






"Now what is wrong with having one organization control both the municipal and regional commuter transit? "


How much time do you have?








"Why don't you also add in the fact that the city of Toronto is several times larger the city of Vancouver"


It wouldn't matter...we can chop Toronto up into Vancouver-sized chunks, and each chunk would still be able to better support public transit...it has to do with the way the city was designed...and how the transit was designed to service it...the two go hand-in-hand....design the built form in such a way that can't support good public transit, and it doesn't matter what transit geniuses you hire, you need the built form to support it.








"and that Toronto keeps on swallowing up its surrounding municipalities. "


Hasn't swallowed anything. The Toronto of today was created from some pretty rural areas and little towns and villages back in 1953...the city grew into what it is now as part of a municipal plan since then.








"If Vancouver had done the same and almagate with all the cities around, there wouldn't be this "suburban commuting [email protected]" as this is just a technicality! "


It's not a technicality at all...even if you did that, you would still be left with the same built form....this is not a matter of municipal borders...but built form....which determines how well public transit will function.








"This is a stupid excuse comparing Toronto and Vancouver."

Well, one works a lot better than the other...if you want to hide from this fact, rather than examine why this is, than i would have to conclude you really aren't very interested in the subject.









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First, I lived in Vancouver for 11 years up to 2001 and go back about every month. So don't tell me I don't know Vancouver well. I know it extremly well.
In Vancouver there have been many a blunder..the Millenium line an excellent example and the RAV about to be.
Vancouver alloed all low density housing south of Broadway.......unprecedented in NA. Made no provisions for any ROV for transit and was the last major city in Canada to get rapid/mass transit. It riped up all its streetcar rail lines, it has the den of inequity without comparison in Canada, DowntownEastside.
Last of Canada's big three to get Commuter rail.......WCE and carries only 9000/day as compared to GO's quarter million. It has transit ridership numbers less than not only Tor/Mon but also Ott/Cal. Greater Vancouver has more cars percapita than LA.
It has a stellar record of ripping down any building over 20 years old.
Vancouver has a lot of great assets like its unsurpassed park system but for urban planning and especially transit it has a lot to be ashamed of.
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Me too.


New news. McCallum, Surrey Mayor and head of Translink, is pushing for turstiles at RAV stations. Maybe this all of a sudden push was a result from all those recent SkyTrain attacks.
This is good, its about freaking time, where did you hear this from?
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It is about time but not sure how well it will work. In Toronto it is much easier for turnstiles due to having the token system.
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