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Old May 31st, 2009, 04:50 PM   #3521
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Hastings Traffic is clogged... not transit. Go search for the top bus ridership information and you see that Broadway moves over 100 000 passengers per day, far larger than Hastings even if you add up their bus routes. Some of those bus routes that run parallel don't count because they are trying to get into the bus loop. I agree some form of rapid transit is needed, like LRT or SkyTrain, but that's not needed NOW. SkyTrain is needed NOW in the Broadway corridor, especially between VCC-Clark and Alma.

I don't believe LRT connecting Metro Line from Joyce is a high priority at all. It would be nice but it's not necessary. I live somewhat close to this area and I would know best.

Personally, I don't understand why people thought Sullivan was the worse mayor. Aside from his "no way or highway" case of handling the garbage strike, he's a much more efficient mayor than what we have right now. At least Sullivan initiated a Phase 0 of the Streetcar project, which has been sitting there for years collecting dust. His push for the Millennium Line back late last year has also pressured the Provincial Government to include a rapid transit line along the Broadway corridor. At least we aren't unnecessarily spending money on "green teams" that discuss about irrelevant and unrealistic goals for the city.
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Old May 31st, 2009, 04:57 PM   #3522
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I have always agreed with this argument. SkyTrain to UBC...............eventually but there are higher priorities. SkyTrain to Arbutus or Alma would be fine but after that it's relativley low density and the traffic on Broadway is free flowing so BLine from Alma to UBC would be fine.
Would it make much sense to finish the longest and most expensive section and then leave out the cheapest and shortest section and the opportunity to have UBC sharing some cost?

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the Hastings corridor which is a far busier route then Broadway is already. Hastings already has 5 regular routes on it and with 3 more routes literally running paralell to it with 2 blocks.
You need to also consider the frequency of the routes, not just the number of routes. At PM peak during summer, Hastings after Main have 32 buses per hour, compare to 29 for Broadway after Alma, so they're about the same. But if you consider AM peak during school season, 99 alone would have more buses per hour than ALL routes on Hastings combined, and each and every one of them would probably have more people on board. Also note that Translink always think there are way too much buses on Hastings than needed, so they are trying to get rid of the #16 (refer to Vancouver ATP for this).

Now if you consider north and south parallel routes - 4th Ave have more than twice as many bus as Powell, and 16th Avenue also have more compares to Venables. Note that the main purpose of the #84 (10 buses per hour) is to take some load off Broadway and most people on the bus travel from UBC to VCC-Clark, so I would at least count half of it as a Broadway bus.

As for Hastings west of Main, I think there is something else they need to do before they put any sort of LRT or Skytrain on there... unless they bypass that area (ie. at grade following the railway then but back onto Hastings at Clarke)

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Hastings is also a far more clogged roadway than Broadway west of Granville is.
I only been to both area a few times, and of all the times, it seems like I'm moving faster on Hasting than Broadway.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 06:41 AM   #3523
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Like I said I agree with SkyTrain to Alma byt after that it is a free flowing road but Hastings is not. The Commercial/Victoria bus is extremely frequent, has those great new articulated trolleys and is still packed. During rush hour Hastings is one of the worse clogged roads in the city and with all the buses it uses they crawl.
Extending SkyTrain further west of Alma will not result in any further ridership level.
I agree with that the Broadway corridor as top priority but only til Alma and after that Hastings. The ridership level on Hastings warrants it.
Its a matter of money making sure you get the most bang for the buck.
BTW...........regardless of where you stand on the issue, this idea of "might as well do it seeing it's going that far" is how you end up with wasted funds and low transit levels. That's like saying they should have just extended Expo all the way to Langley to begin with instead of the MLine.
UBC...............without question but only to Alma and then go to the area that will have far return for that extra money.........Hastings.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 06:49 AM   #3524
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Yes, I understand that SkyTrain cars last about 20% longer than standard subway cars in total km used.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 06:55 AM   #3525
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If I recall {and correct me if i'm wrong} we are getting 39 new trains this year and 10 new ones next. How are these being phased? How many are being released each month. When I go by Edmonds station I have seen several of the new trains but are still covered.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 08:37 AM   #3526
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I'd rather put the money into Surrey for an LRT line before Hastings, which probably won't need a rail line anytime soon. IMO, the B-Line or rapid bus will do until then.

As for stopping at Alma, that's like equivalent to building the Canada Line but stopping at Olympic Village Station (doesn't go into downtown).
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Old June 4th, 2009, 12:18 AM   #3527
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I don't think so - the broadway corridor gets well served - the rest to UBC isn't too bad and nothing a bus couldn't handle
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Old June 4th, 2009, 06:02 AM   #3528
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Well served by local transit... not regional.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 07:06 AM   #3529
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I don't think so - the broadway corridor gets well served - the rest to UBC isn't too bad and nothing a bus couldn't handle
All routes in Metro Vancouver.. except Expo Line, Millennium Line, and Broadway corridor are nothing a bus couldn't handle...
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Old June 7th, 2009, 03:14 AM   #3530
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As for stopping at Alma, that's like equivalent to building the Canada Line but stopping at Olympic Village Station (doesn't go into downtown).
Not really. You have the analogy reversed. More like going to Richmond and not serving the Airport. In reality, the Airport is a "nice to have" part of the line, as opposed to a "need to have" destination.

YVR, of course, realized the benefit of having a one-seat ride (as opposed to building their own people mover to the line) and chipped in to get it.

UBC is in a similar situation. It's a "nice to have" stop as opposed to a "need to have" location and could probably be served adequately by buses. In any case, in order to increase the chances of this actually happening, it should be made clear that UBC will need to chip in to build it, and that it will have to be elevated at LEAST west of Sasamat.
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Old June 7th, 2009, 06:14 AM   #3531
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UBC has no money... they are in debt.
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Old June 7th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #3532
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Old June 7th, 2009, 07:09 PM   #3533
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Alma to UBC rapid transit and Hastings St rail

The ridership from Alma to UBC is captive. The U-Pass system increased ridership substantially. If high ridership is the goal, the most economical way to achieve this is continue the present strategy: subsidized student passes, elimination of free parking, perhaps longer buses (80' rather than 60'). Rail is costly and would have more benefit elsewhere.

Perhaps Hastings St rail could be achieved by extending the Skytrain east to Clark St from Waterfront Station, then south to the Expo Line or Millennium Line to merge with one of them. This would allow greater train frequency between Broadway/Commercial and downtown because trains would not have to back-track from Waterfront station. The Glen rail corridor (CP) should be used since there are plans already to grade separate it (Venables/Malkin reroute). Stations could be at Hastings and Clark, Main and perhaps Gastown. The rapid-bus could terminate at Clark allowing passengers to transfer, just as the Main St bus (No. 3) did at Main and Hastings because passengers mostly transferred to Skytrain to get downtown.
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Old June 8th, 2009, 05:17 AM   #3534
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The ridership from Alma to UBC is captive. The U-Pass system increased ridership substantially. If high ridership is the goal, the most economical way to achieve this is continue the present strategy: subsidized student passes, elimination of free parking, perhaps longer buses (80' rather than 60'). Rail is costly and would have more benefit elsewhere.
It would be silly to spend all the money to extent SkyTrain to Alma, then force everyone to transfer there. UBC is one of the largest employment destinations in the region on top of having the largest student population. There would only be two stations after Alma and it could be elevated in the Endowment Lands so the incremental cost is going to be small relative to the entire project. As well, with a large number of people transferring at Alma, the station will have to be larger and more expensive than if it was just extended all the way to UBC.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 05:18 AM   #3535
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Look at it this way... We're building a line to Douglas College in Coquitlam, why not UBC?
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Look at it this way... We're building a line to Douglas College in Coquitlam, why not UBC?
My thoughts exactly, iffy ridership versus ridership that will definitely be there and might require some more sets.
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Look at it this way... We're building a line to Douglas College in Coquitlam, why not UBC?
Never thought of that
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Old June 14th, 2009, 05:36 AM   #3538
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Today I had the opportunity to ride the Canada Line through a tour organized by APEGBC (Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of BC).

We started at Waterfront and went to the airport and then went back to Waterfront. We did not get to ride the Richmond section because they said that there was something wrong with it today.

The train stopped at 2 or 3 stations but otherwise just went thru all of the stations.



























































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Old June 14th, 2009, 05:45 AM   #3539
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WOW...i am totally digging Waterfront Station.

The entrance at CPR Station looks great, love the ceiling and column treatment....same goes for the corridor to the platform.

The ceiling of the platform looks great too, the whole lighting and how the ceiling inverts.


But I still have to say that the signage is a dissapointment.



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Old June 14th, 2009, 08:38 AM   #3540
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There is a Canada Line thread... but thanks! Agree with Mr X: signage is a mess of text and logos.

I was also hoping that they would separate the platforms for YVR-Airport and Richmond at Waterfront Station but I guess not...
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