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Old June 14th, 2009, 09:11 AM   #3541
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They couldn't make the station darker if they tried. I pray they they paint the walls a different colour.
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Old June 14th, 2009, 01:16 PM   #3542
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They couldn't make the station darker if they tried. I pray they they paint the walls a different colour.
You talking about the walls with advertisements and signs? They are dark for the sake of easy maintenance. I thought it was a problem at first, but it's fine. In fact, it makes the platform look even better.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #3543
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Quite underwhelming... the station looks very small and inadequate. The signage should be much bigger.

I loved watching this project grow as well... and the station is just bland and boring.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #3544
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^ Sorry if it was disappointing for you....
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Old June 15th, 2009, 11:40 PM   #3545
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Well gee... it isn't done yet. The artsy stuff comes in later.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 03:01 AM   #3546
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Hmmm.

Nice, but a bit bland, very square, ceilings look a bit low - hard to say how they would feel in person..did they feel low?

I would have thought/expected some wood/wood-look curves and sweeps to be somehow part of the design.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 04:11 AM   #3547
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Hmmm.

Nice, but a bit bland, very square, ceilings look a bit low - hard to say how they would feel in person..did they feel low?

I would have thought/expected some wood/wood-look curves and sweeps to be somehow part of the design.
That's Broadway Station apparently
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Old June 16th, 2009, 05:42 AM   #3548
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Hmmm.

Nice, but a bit bland, very square, ceilings look a bit low - hard to say how they would feel in person..did they feel low?

I would have thought/expected some wood/wood-look curves and sweeps to be somehow part of the design.
Wait 50 years for it to build character. I've read they won't have any art in the stations until sometime after opening day. They just want to get the thing up and running first. Not sure if you can have a lot of wood inside a station, since it could be a fire hazard. For Waterfront Station, the ceilings look 11-12ft at the ends (as high as a typical commercial building) and 30-40ft in the middle. I haven't been there personally though.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 07:13 AM   #3549
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Quite underwhelming... the station looks very small and inadequate. The signage should be much bigger.

I loved watching this project grow as well... and the station is just bland and boring.
I think it's nice, but i will agree that some of the walls leading to the platform are quite bland....it is small though, the station platforms are either 40 or 50-metres in length with the 40-metre platforms capable of being extended to 50-metres.

I do wish they had spent another $500-million to build it properly.
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Here's BROADWAY-CITY HALL STATION
















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I think it's nice, but i will agree that some of the walls leading to the platform are quite bland....it is small though, the station platforms are either 40 or 50-metres in length with the 40-metre platforms capable of being extended to 50-metres.

I do wish they had spent another $500-million to build it properly.
The stations are really bland. The first thing that struck me when I first entered Waterfront Station was how bland and boring that long corridor looked.

The platforms are so short that as the train approaches a station, if you sit at the front, you could literally see the ENTIRE length of the platform, from beginning to end in one view. That is what really surprised me...

I am sure that if it had been properly built, we wouldn't have ended up having a Canada Line and Expo Line stations at Waterfront that don't connect to each other within the fare paid zone. The Canada Line station is located on the SW corner of the train hall while the Expo Line station is located on the North side.
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Why would you want them connected? And I'll say again... give them a chance to finish. I can almost guarantee you that those walls will have something on them, just not at this time.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 08:08 AM   #3553
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The stations are really bland. The first thing that struck me when I first entered Waterfront Station was how bland and boring that long corridor looked.

The platforms are so short that as the train approaches a station, if you sit at the front, you could literally see the ENTIRE length of the platform, from beginning to end in one view. That is what really surprised me...

I am sure that if it had been properly built, we wouldn't have ended up having a Canada Line and Expo Line stations at Waterfront that don't connect to each other within the fare paid zone. The Canada Line station is located on the SW corner of the train hall while the Expo Line station is located on the North side.
Agreed, but i thought the roof of the platform was pretty nice.




The ticketing concourse at the CPR building looks alright, i like the column and ceiling treatment.






It would've been quite cool had they hadn't cheapen out and have the lights go all the other way to the other wall...would have been a pretty cool lighting effect. Having it just on one side seems, well, cheap.






And this hall is disgustingly bland. Would it have killed them to simply extend the above hallway design (with the lights on the walls)? Some murals, public art, and ads along this corridor would be nice.






As for the platforms, well I've gone on and on and on about them over the years to the point i've become a broken record. All in all, it may add up to 15,000 pphpd in the future but still it's a ghastly mistake to have platforms so short in a rapidly growing region. With larger trains than the Mark II, it should've been a 60-metre platform at the very least - capable of reaching a 20,000 pphpd capacity. I still think platform crowding could be a issue with such a small platform.

Come opening day, a lot of people are going to be wondering why it has such small platforms. I can assure you that. Friends of mine who have seen the trains being tested or have seen the stations themselves always ask me why the hell it's so short. And my answer? "They went cheap".

I still maintain that it was a big mistake to have the current P3 model in which the private sector was responsible for so much of the cost, and as a result the design and construction method. It may also have been a mistake to rush it in time for the Olympics AND it certainly was a mistake by the Government to insist on building it with the minimum budget. The bulk of the line's cost is the infrastructure, increasing the budget by a few hundred more million could have done wonders to the actual aesthetics and capacity of the line.


And the cheap cosmetic/aesthetic designs in the stations probably won't age too well in my opinion...just like the Expo Line. The Millennium Line has been open for 10 years, and it's still in very good condition.

The whole way RAVCO went about it was wrong. First of all, they lowballed the capacity at just 15,000 pphpd. Secondly, having a fair bidding process is more important than getting the best bang out of a taxpayer's hard worked money? Bombardier originally presented them with a $1.84-billion SkyTrain bid which would have major cost savings with regards to having a shared rolling stock with our existing SkyTrain and a shared OMC....there would of course be lower operational costs as a result, and it would have been probably publicly operated. But it was rejected because RAVCO wanted a fair playing field...the new Bombardier bid ended up costing $2.4-billion, while SNC's bid came at $1.74-billion - which is now $2.05-billion with overruns. Operational costs for a publicly operated integrated SkyTrain line would probably be significantly lower than what it will cost to operated the Canada Line that we've built.


I can only hope we will learn these lessons for the Evergreen Line. I was horrified a few days ago to learn that there was a possibility it wouldn't be built as SkyTrain, rather it could be separate just like the Canada Line (but with "SkyTrain-like" technology)....it was said that a transfer at Lougheed would be required. One of the main arguments for SkyTrain for that route was the lack of transfer - what's the point if you add a transfer? And it of course would also mean a lower potential ridership.



To build the Canada Line properly, with a higher architectural standard, nicer train finishings, and 60 or 80-metre platforms...it would probably require only an additional $500-million. A drop in the bucket compared to the $2.05-billion budget.

I do think the Canada Line will go down as the worst transit decision this region will have ever made. It's almost like as if it were our own Scarborough RT, but only worse.
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Why would you want them connected? And I'll say again... give them a chance to finish. I can almost guarantee you that those walls will have something on them, just not at this time.
Not necessarily connected, but nearer to the Expo Line for the sake of ease of transfers. Hell, you could even use the same fare gates (which could also be used for the SeaBus and WCE).

They better have something on the walls.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 08:27 AM   #3555
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Just for the sake of trying to discourage people from spraying tags and graffiti. Regarding the location of Waterfront Station for Canada Line... I'm not sure you could physically make it much closer using an open pit method. Anyway, I don't see why there would be a huge need to transfer between the Expo and Canada Lines, especially after you extend the Millenium Line.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 10:04 AM   #3556
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Canada Line opening means more trips South of the Fraser

Transit users going to and from Crescent Beach will benefit from having more buses, more often with the opening of the Canada Line. Beginning September 7, the #351 Crescent Beach will become part of the Frequent Transit Network (FTN).

The increased frequency is the result of the buses' travelling only as far as the Bridgeport Canada Line Station. A shorter route means more frequent service on the #351 and allows some buses to be "reinvested" to improve other local services. On Mondays through Fridays, buses will run every 10 minutes in the morning peak period, then every 15 minutes until 9pm, at which time frequency will be reduced through the end of the service day. On weekends, buses will run at 15 minute intervals throughout. The first and last buses are timed to meet the first and last Canada Line trains.

Customers in Richmond will also see increased frequency on many of their bus routes. With the 488, 490, 491, 496 and 98 B-Line routes being discontinued, the 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 410 and 430 will run more often, serving the Canada Line stations. The #480 UBC/Richmond Centre will also run more often between 7-11am and 3-8pm, Monday to Friday.

With the new route alignments, customers will also be able to reach new destinations in Richmond and Vancouver International Airport. For those going into Vancouver, connecting with the Canada Line will eliminate a key source of frustration: the traffic over the Oak Street Bridge and on Granville Street, which has been a "wild card" for years. The Highway 99 bus-only lane, currently under construction by the provincial transportation ministry, will allow northbound buses to get around traffic on the portion from the Massey Tunnel to Bridgeport. From there, the trip to Waterfront station takes 19 minutes.

There will also be more frequent service on routes in Vancouver, such as the #10 along Granville Street and the #33, #41, #43 and #100 during some periods of the day. This will enable Canada Line customers to make east-west connections without going to the heavily used Broadway corridor.

For more information, please visit www.translink.ca or call 604-953-3333.

Increasing the FTN, in which buses run no more than 15 minutes apart, 15 hours a day, every day, is a major component of TransLink's South of Fraser Area Transit Plan. By the end of 2008, over 20 per cent of the homes in the sub-region consisting of White Rock, Delta, Surrey and Langley were within walking distance (450 metres) of FTN service. Prior to June 2007, that figure was zero.
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Good news! Hope they will also increase buses service between Surrey & Richmond.
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Old June 21st, 2009, 06:37 AM   #3558
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big enough?

check out this new Seattle transit station on www.soundtransit.org
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Translink has basically acknowledged that the Canada Line will not result in any faster times to downtown for people coming in from Ladner od WR/SS but the increase in service level is very welcome. With the areas huge population increase the 351 is becoming packed at all times of the day.
The northbound BusLane on #99 is a great improvement due to the backed up traffic on the Oak Street bridge. It with the SkyTrain will allow for more regularity of bus times. It isd also great for people down here as it is also a busy bus route down here in the actual area.
I hope they add a route, at some point, from WR to 16th ave station in NW. Another great idea is if they created a route from Bridgeport down the Richmond Connector/Alex Fraser down to 72nd to Newton exchange. It could be a very fast and well patronized route as long as the created buslanes going onto the bridge from each direction.
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