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Old August 18th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #3681
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Everybody loves a free ride.

Vanocouver is the leading Canadian city when it comes to public transit.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 10:00 AM   #3682
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Wow - I know a whole lot of people are riding just "becuase" but imho those lines & crowds do not bode well for demand/capacity in the future...

What is the next major event in downtown Vancouver that would draw people into the downtown/city (I mean big, like Symphony of Fire, etc).
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Old August 18th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #3683
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^ football games at BC Place, hockey games at GM Place, 2010 Olympics.
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Vancouver's Canada Line opens ahead of schedule
18 August 2009

CANADA: Tens of thousands of people sampled the new Canada Line during eight hours of free rides on August 17, an opening that was more than three months ahead of schedule and within a budget of just over C$2bn.

The crush of passengers, 30 000 just during the first three hours, caused hours-long waits with lines stretching out of some stations and along adjacent streets. There were celebrations with entertainment, food, drink and souvenirs at all 16 stations.

Prior to the public service, British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell was joined by national and local officials in a ribbon-cutting at Vancouver International Airport station and a ride on the ceremonial first train to Waterfront station downtown; the fully automated driverless metro, built by a public-private partnership, also serves the suburb of Richmond. A fleet of 20 Rotem two-car trainsets, 41 m long and 3 000 mm wide, will work the line.

The 19 km project was completed three-and-a-half months early due to a combination of factors, according to a statement released by private-sector consortium InTransitBC, which designed, built and will operate and maintain the Canada Line.

‘We were working with an excellent system design, we had very good engineering, a great construction team and very successful testing and commissioning of the trains and control system,’ said the statement. ‘In short, good planning and the hard work of about 2 000 individuals have made it possible for us to finish ahead of schedule and on budget.’

Read the full story in the September edition of Metro Report International.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #3685
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85000 boardings were reported from the Canada Line automated counters found in the train doorways.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 10:32 PM   #3686
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Canada Line Opening Day: some of the world's longest lineups to get onto a train

I think this deserves its own topic, given how rare this event was....look at the pictures below.


Vancouver's Canada Line free ride opening was a gong show:


It was a gong show:

- 2-4 hour line ups for a handful of stations, at least 1-hour wait at all stations.
- 2,000-5,000 people lining up at a handful of stations
- 85,000+ people used the line today, even though it was only open for 8 hours





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Old August 18th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #3687
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Could a transport expert answer this question: why does mega-crowds happen on new systems?

To me 85,000 doesn't sound like a huge ridership figure. 85,000 /8= 10,625 pax/hr --> 18 hours x 10,625= that's only 191,250 riders for a normal day. Compare to say, Boston, its little 2 car trolleys does much more than that in normal service.
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^ answers:

- on opening day, people travel from terminus to terminus. They don't get off the train to let others get on, and for the Canada Line most people simply stayed on the train once they reached the terminus and rode back. The average commuter doesn't do that.
- the Canada Line itself is a small system, with 40-metre platforms/trains. There are 20-trains. It would be unable to accommodate 191,000 people/day, it would require a lot more trains than what we have today and probably longer platforms as well.
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LOL Canadian queue lines are so awesome! long and squiggly!

I remember lining up for breakfast at the Calgary stampede and saw the same line.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #3690
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Really cool stuff! Too bad the whole line was built with such short plattforms - longer ones would have come in handy in times like these.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #3691
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Ha ha. Good thing an opening day won't happen again on this line.

Good lord though. Why can't people wait a day and pay a few dollars? If I had seen any line at all I would have turned around and gone somewhere else. And I thought I was a transit nerd.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 02:17 AM   #3692
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Really cool stuff! Too bad the whole line was built with such short plattforms - longer ones would have come in handy in times like these.
The line can be expanded. But it will be quite expensive.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 02:29 AM   #3693
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TUESDAY, AUGUST 18TH (DAY 2) - CANADA LINE RIDERSHIP STATISTICS
- 4:30 am to 9:30 am: 9,000 riders
- as of 2 pm: 33,000 riders
- expected by evening rush hour: 50,000 riders



It looks like the line will have at least 60,000 riders by the time it shuts down at 1 am later tonight.




Day Two brings lighter traffic — and parking issues — to Canada Line

By Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver Sun
August 18, 2009 3:32 PM

METRO VANCOUVER - Some Canada Line commuters in Richmond are finding there’s no such thing as a free park.

At least two vehicles were towed from the Richmond Centre parking lot Tuesday afternoon after security staff saw their drivers exiting the lot and heading to the Richmond-Brighouse station, mall spokeswoman Leslie Matheson said.

Another three vehicles were seen coming into the parking lot and turning around after noticing the tow truck, she said.

On opening day Monday, when more than 85,000 people lined up for hours for a free ride on the train, some 30 warning tickets were also handed out.

“Our parking lot is for the exclusive use of our customers while they’re shopping,” she said.

Shopping centres in both Vancouver and Richmond say they will bolster security to ensure Canada Line customers aren’t using their lots for daily parking.

Canada Line officials have said there is no need — or room — for park-and-ride lots as the stations connect with transit and are mostly in high-density urban areas. As a result there is only one park-and-ride facility, at Bridgeport Station, along the 19-kilometre line stretching from Vancouver to Richmond and the airport.

That lot is owned and operated by the Great Canadian Gaming Corporation, which owns the adjacent River Rock Casino Resort. Parking spaces will be reserved for 1,200 vehicles during the day and 600 vehicles at night at a cost of $2.

Meanwhile, passengers were still flocking to the Canada Line Tuesday albeit at a slower than pace than on opening day when they didn’t have to pay the $3.75 single trip fare. InTransitBC spokesman Steve Crombie said about 9,000 people had boarded the train by 9:30 this morning and the numbers grew to 33,000 just after 2 p.m.

More than 50,000 boardings are expected to be recorded by the evening rush hour.

Crombie said light-beam technology is used to automatically count the number of people coming into the fare-paid zone. TransLink plans to institute fare-gates or turnstiles, along with smart cards, at the Canada Line stations, but not until 2012.

A “request for qualifications” — to see who is qualified to do the project — is expected this fall. The $100-million project, which would be funded by the provincial and federal governments.

Crombie said the two busiest stations Tuesday were Waterfront and the airport, suggesting people were still checking out the new Vancouver-Richmond line.

Some passengers, however, were having trouble paying for their fares because of new technology in the ticket-vending machines.

TransLink spokesman Drew Snider said the machines accept debit and credit card transactions, but the upgraded technology requires the credit or debit card to be left in the slot longer than on SkyTrain ticket machines.

Passengers must wait until three yellow lights have lit up on the TVM debit slot before taking the card out, he said.

Ridership on the Canada Line isn’t expected to increase until Sept. 7 when the transportation authority will cancel some buses or stop them at Bridgeport or Brighouse stations to funnel more people onto the Canada Line.

At that time, the 98 B-Line between Vancouver and Richmond will be cancelled. Long-haul buses from White Rock and Delta will be rerouted to Bridgeport Station rather than going into Vancouver, while local Richmond buses will be stopped at Richmond-Brighouse.

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TUESDAY RIDERSHIP/FIRST NORMAL DAY OF SERVICE: 70,000



Canada Line traffic settles down on Day 2


By Frank Luba, The Province
August 19, 2009 12:05 AM


David Nixon and Briana Wutsch waited until Tuesday to take their two-year-old son, Osiris, for a little ride on the newest train in town — the $2.05 billion Canada Line.

The trio were among the 70,000 people to hop the train on its first official day of operation.

The family lives near the Yaletown-Roundhouse station and were going to try the system Monday — until they saw the massive lineups for the free rides offered as a pre-opening public treat.

“It was too long a wait,” said Nixon.

Their plan was solid, as they got to experience the system Tuesday without being packed into the cars like sardines in a tin.

More than 82,000 riders jammed Canada Line during Monday’s eight-hour preview of the 19-kilometre connection between downtown Vancouver, Richmond and Vancouver International Airport. InTransitBC spokesman Steve Crombie said only about 50,000 riders were expected, and the extra passengers forced the line to put on 19 two-car trains instead of the 15 initially used. The planned schedule was dropped too.

“We started trains basically as often as we could,” said Crombie.

Paid service started Tuesday morning at 4:50 a.m. from Waterfront Station and by 9:30 a.m., electronic counters showed just 9,000 people had crossed into fare-paid zones where they needed tickets. The number jumped to 33,000 by 2:15 p.m and hit 60,000 just before 6 p.m. — “so we’re anticipating we’ll hit at least 70,000 for the day,” said Crombie.

Unlike the waits Monday that were as long as two hours at some stations, commuters — including a surprising number with suitcases headed to the airport — got a more “normal” view of the line than Monday’s almost excursion-like trip.

Nixon, 34, and Wutsch, 25, liked what they saw.

“It reminds me of other cities where I have taken metros or subways,” said Nixon, who owns a chain of clothing stores.

Wutsch thinks the line will be most useful for Richmond residents wanting to get into Vancouver, but she plans to use it for trips to the airport when she travels with her toddler.

“It will be nice not to have to drive,” she said.

Both were particularly happy the line has finally been finished.

“We’ve been dealing with the construction for three years,” said Nixon.

“We’ve been living in a gated community,” joked Wutsch of the controlled access in their neighborhood. “It was a little rough. The dust and the noise and the trucks — but I guess it’s worth it.”

As with almost anything new, there’s always a little confusion, and that continued Tuesday as people struggled to figure out which train they needed.

There was also a hiccup with the new ticket-vending machines. People had trouble purchasing tickets with debit or credit cards because the new machines need to retain the cards longer than the older ticket machines. The new machines have three yellow lights and users must wait for all three lights to be lit up before withdrawing their card.

Making it easy to pay is a priority for the line, because its business case was predicated on attracting 100,000 riders a day — a total that was supposed to be reached by 2013.

TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said current ridership is not an accurate “barometer” of ridership because buses won’t be fully integrated with the line until Sept. 7, the day of the next regular bus schedule change.

“After Sept. 6, after Labor Day, is when all of the buses start focusing on the Bridgeport Station and Brighouse [station],” he said.

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Waterfront to VCC:
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Leaving VCC to Yaletown (filling up):
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Waiting at Yaletown for southbound train (after getting off and looking around the station briefly):
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Yaletown to Olympic Village/Broadway-City Hall:
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Getting off at Broadway:
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People heading northbound at Broadway
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Back at Broadway after a quick bite to eat. Just missed the previous train but the ~6 minutes went by quite quickly:
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Southbound train pretty busy
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Wow - I know a whole lot of people are riding just "becuase" but imho those lines & crowds do not bode well for demand/capacity in the future...
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Yeah, this was a concern I had. What happens when we get to the projected 100K daily ridership? Will people wait in line for 2 hours to get to/from work? Personally, I don't think so.
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Yeah, this was a concern I had. What happens when we get to the projected 100K daily ridership? Will people wait in line for 2 hours to get to/from work? Personally, I don't think so.
The problem with opening day was the 85,000 people we had on the system was within just 8 hours; the line was only open from 1 pm to 9 pm.

As well, people were taking trips from terminus to terminus...meaning it didn't allow space for people to board the trains along the route. People also didn't get off at the terminus, instead opted to ride back from where they came from...again, it didn't allow people waiting on the platforms to get onto trains.

This certainly isn't the average commuter pattern, it would never happen again.

The problem is we only have 20 trains right now, enabling us to run 4-minute frequencies from Downtown to Bridgeport and 8-minutes in the airport and Richmond spur lines.

If we get more trains, which we obviously will, train frequencies can be increased to 90-secs from Downtown to Bridgeport and 3-minutes in the airport and Richmond spur lines. That's quite significant.

We can also add a third car to the 2-car trains.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 07:16 AM   #3697
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I am wildly impressed by this:




Canada Line riders fill Translink's coffers with cash
Service’s popularity will reduce subsidy; line averages 80,000 trips per day in first five days of service


By Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver Sun
August 21, 2009 8:01 PM

VANCOUVER - The Canada Line could reach its ridership goals sometime next year rather than in 2013 as forecast, TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie said Friday.

That would likely save TransLink — and taxpayers — millions in subsidies to the Canada Line’s private operator.

Hardie made the optimistic assessment after the line averaged 80,000 trips per day in its first five days of operations.

It had been forecast to reach 100,000 trips a day in 2013, and TransLink is required to subsidize the operator until that point is reached.

“The 100,000 ridership represents the point when the line generates enough revenue, with bus service savings to cover payment to the concessionaire,” Hardie said.

He said the steady passenger loads this week have been good news for the Canada Line.

Between 7 a.m. on Wednesday and 7 a.m. Thursday, the line recorded more than $45,000 in ticket sales, with $37,000 of that in cash and fare-saver tickets, $5,700 in credit and $2,900 in debit.

The number of cash sales, he said, likely means people are testing the system ahead of Sept. 7, when TransLink cancels or diverts several of its long-haul bus routes to Bridgeport Station to encourage passengers to ride the Canada Line.

“What that means is there’s a higher level of sampling going on now,” Hardie said, adding, “Things have got off to an excellent start on the Canada Line.”

The biggest peak in ridership has been in the afternoons, coinciding with the arrivals and departures of most international flights.

“There’s an incredibly steady flow of passengers,” said airport spokeswoman Rebecca Catley. “We’re seeing a lot more people coming off with bags. People have embraced it quickly.”


The airport has added extra staff on the floor to guide travellers to their departure lounges or help them find the train once they arrive in Vancouver.

August is typically the airport’s busiest month, with the third weekend usually recording the highest number of passengers coming through.

But Catley said it’s not just travellers using the Canada Line: More people are coming to the airport to watch planes land and take off from the airport’s new observation deck.

“It’s just surprising. That area has always been very quiet and now it’s teeming with people,” she said. “Everything has gone very smoothly; the people are very excited.”

Jason Chan, spokesman for Canada Line operator ProTrans BC, said other busy stations are Waterfront in downtown Vancouver and Richmond’s Bridgeport, the only station where TransLink has a park-and-ride facility at the nearby River Rock Casino.

Just before 4 p.m. Friday, swarms of people were pouring in and out of Waterfront as packed trains headed out toward Richmond-Brighouse and the airport.

Kathleen Lapointe, who lives in Richmond, took the train into Vancouver for a course and said she’s “planning to use it all the time now.”

“I’m very happy,” she said. “I’m so glad it’s here.”

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This is how they determined the 100,000/day ridership would come from years ago:


1) Bus Transfers (from north-south trolley routes in Vancouver and especially from short-turning south of Fraser buses at Bridgeport)
- 40,000 riders

2) 98 B-Line bus transfer
- 30,000 riders

3) New Ridership
- 30,000 riders

TOTAL
- 100,000 riders


Obviously, bus transfers from existing bus services including the 98 B-Line have already occurred. But it's absolutely amazing that there's already 80,000/day....I'm beginning to think they really underestimated new ridership.

I think they will have to start planning to buy more Canada Line trains in 2010. The twenty trains we have aren't going to cut it for very much longer at this rate. But the question is, who pays for the trains which cost $6-million each ($3-million each car)? And how many more trains? An order for more trains next year would mean the trains would be delivered here in early-2013 at the very latest.
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Ha ha. Good thing an opening day won't happen again on this line.

Good lord though. Why can't people wait a day and pay a few dollars? If I had seen any line at all I would have turned around and gone somewhere else. And I thought I was a transit nerd.
If was there I would probably line up as well, not to save a few dollars but show support to the new line, it looks too me that is what most people are doing.

I hope people in south Asian countries will learn to line up one day.
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If was there I would probably line up as well, not to save a few dollars but show support to the new line, it looks too me that is what most people are doing.

I hope people in south Asian countries will learn to line up one day.
Yea, it does show support. But a 2 to 3 hour wait is ridiculous. People can show their support the next day, and the next...
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OMG people must be so bored in Vancouver.
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