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Old August 22nd, 2009, 08:08 PM   #3701
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Unless they were giving away free money, I would never stand in a line that long. I would just wait a few days until the fervor died down and ride. It wont change that much in a few days.

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Old August 22nd, 2009, 08:19 PM   #3702
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OMG people must be so bored in Vancouver.
Apparently, about 80 thousand people were.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 08:42 PM   #3703
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^ within an 8 hour span too. The line was only open from 1 pm to 9 pm on opening day.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 07:00 AM   #3704
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It'll be open for a long time! Can't people wait a week to go straight in instead of a few hours now?
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 09:41 AM   #3705
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OMG,the line of the queue was so magnificent.
People in the street are all honoring for the metro opening day?
It seemed to be a big thing for the local people,AHA .
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM   #3706
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Let's crystal ball: Fast forward to 5 years from now when the line has reached capacity and trains are sardine cans.

By how much can it be expanded? The RFP max capacity was 15,000 ppdph is that now, or after an expansion?

Or will Translink be considering a second N-S line in 10 years (Arbutus/ E/W Boulevard? Knight?), after Broadway/UBC gets something?
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 09:22 PM   #3707
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Let's crystal ball: Fast forward to 5 years from now when the line has reached capacity and trains are sardine cans.

By how much can it be expanded? The RFP max capacity was 15,000 ppdph is that now, or after an expansion?

Or will Translink be considering a second N-S line in 10 years (Arbutus/ E/W Boulevard? Knight?), after Broadway/UBC gets something?
Right now it has a capacity of about 5,000 pphpd, so it has a long ways to go before reaching 15,000 pphpd. More trains, and a platform extension for a third car.

We need more trains.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 09:35 PM   #3708
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I hope that we see the 100,000 ridership/day goal very soon to make this a resounding success and obviate the need for any taxpayer subsidies.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 09:50 PM   #3709
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^ certainly, but on the downside of that is Translink will have to find tens of millions to buy more trains much earlier than originally planned ($6-million per 2-car train). We're at 80,000/day right now and that's WITHOUT bus integration, I think we can easily reach 100,000 within a matter of weeks with south of Fraser buses terminating at Bridgeport, the elimination of the 98 B-Line, people going back to school, and the majority of the office worker population returning to workl.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #3710
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Very encouraging pictures...thanks for sharing. If I was there though, I'd probably wait until a day later or so.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 06:45 AM   #3711
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Very encouraging pictures...thanks for sharing. If I was there though, I'd probably wait until a day later or so.
The issue is that ridership was still very high even throughout the weekend.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #3712
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^ certainly, but on the downside of that is Translink will have to find tens of millions to buy more trains much earlier than originally planned ($6-million per 2-car train). We're at 80,000/day right now and that's WITHOUT bus integration, I think we can easily reach 100,000 within a matter of weeks with south of Fraser buses terminating at Bridgeport, the elimination of the 98 B-Line, people going back to school, and the majority of the office worker population returning to workl.
Which somewhere down the line is going to generate a problem related to single-tracking and platform lengths a lot earlier than anticipated ...
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Old August 25th, 2009, 11:28 AM   #3713
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Which somewhere down the line is going to generate a problem related to single-tracking and platform lengths a lot earlier than anticipated ...
I'd give it 10 years.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #3714
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Sharp! I like the 3rd rail cover being yellow, and covering the one exposed side.

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Old August 26th, 2009, 04:33 AM   #3715
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I'm not so worried about the ticket vending machine problem and not so sure why people are over reacting with it-it's new and almost all of the time, there is a problem with new things. The ticket machines on expo & Millennium Lines had there fair share of issues, just maybe not as big as problematic as the ones now. Either way, those aren't permanent, stationary items that will require lots of money to replace, not that we should be paying for them to be replaced anyway if they can't be fixed.

I would be concerned about our door problems with a few of the trains. When I was at the OMC today, I was in this conference room and the entire time, I was hearing the SkyTrain door closing chime for ten minutes, rather annoying mind you. Overhearing a few people in the control room, which is underwhelming (I would say a third of the size of the SkyTrain control room, maybe less), apparently, there are a few trains still with the door problems. At the train yard, they were opening and closing all the doors of the problem train for another ten minutes and there were technicians, three of which looked like they were from ROTEM Korea. This door problem, I don't think, is a small problem, because Hong Kong's MTR Tung Chung Line, which used trains by ROTEM, pulled trains out of service because of delays and door safety issues. There was a delay this morning (thankfully I wasn't caught in that) and the platform signs were flashing "Trains have been resumed to normal service. We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you," and I have a feeling it had something to do with the doors.

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The problem train I believe (the RiverRock one)

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I didn't actually notice this, but the OMC is really in the middle of no-where. Ironically, it's easier to drive to the OMC than to transit. However, the bike bridge was really close and I decided to walk on it on the way home from the OMC.


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Old August 26th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #3716
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Great photos.
From the photos of the trains, there seems to be constructed sliding doors. In Copenhagen, where we also get snow occasionally, sliding doors were a constant source of problems with compacted snow in the door pockets. Now I know it hasnīt snowed on the Canada Line yet, but swing-plug doors would surely have been a better solution.
I look forward to using the Canada Line i 2010 when holidaying in Canada (next summer).

How is the Olympic streetcar project progressing. Any photos anyone, or is there another thread which I have missed?

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Old August 27th, 2009, 06:59 AM   #3717
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The doors are already causing problems, as I expected. It's a ROTEM feature for failing doors. Hong Kong's MTR pulled out many of their ROTEM cars because of door safety issues. One of the trains were pulled out of service to the OMC near Bridgeport, where they were testing that particular door for ten minutes (I was upstairs listening to the door chime).

Vancouver's SkyTrain Expo and Millennium Line vehicles generally have no problems with the doors, though sometimes, during the snow, it does freeze up.

Nothing new about the Olympic Streetcars other than the fact that the rails are rebuilt.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #3718
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The doors are already causing problems, as I expected. It's a ROTEM feature for failing doors. Hong Kong's MTR pulled out many of their ROTEM cars because of door safety issues.
I think this comments came from this, right? Then you have to read the article more carefully.

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Q. expected completion date of the replacement and software upgrading work in relation to the train door control circuit

A. All parts which caused the problem of the train door control circuithave been replaced and the door control software has been upgraded. In addition, after the enhancement of publicity on the new operation mode of train doors, the new train doors have been operating smoothly on the Kwun Tong Line.

Q. information about other metro systems in the world which made use
of the new door design for the new Korean trains


A. Quite a number of new railway systems including underground systems in Europe have adopted the plug-in door design. For example, the newline of the Regie Autonome des Transports Parisiens (RATP) in Paris and the metro lines in Madrid. Both are heavily utilised metro systems that have a catchment of over 2 million population.
This means that the new introduction of plug-in type door partly caused the passenger's hurt by the door because it was relatively new type train for passengers and it's partly solved after the enhancement of publicity on the new operation mode of train doors. And the parts related to the train door control circuit has been, according to this document, replaced before the document was published. ( I don't know the parts issued caused damages for passengers or MTR because the document didn't specify this.)

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The Corporation minimises the number of Korean trains for passenger service and more spare modernised trains have been used until a higher reliability of the systems concerned is achieved. MTR train frequency has been maintained at normal level and there is no implication to train frequency on the line.
It does not mean MTR pulled K-stocks out of service, it just means MTR minimises the number of Korean trains until a higher reliability of the systems is achieved. I don't know whether the reliability was achieved or not but if there were problems about reliability, the thing that Rotem won an order from MRT in 2004 again, and got an incentives from MRT for satistifying an international quality standard for subway cars called "RAMS" would not happen.

This is just my logic, so feel free to comment on if there's wrong.
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Old August 28th, 2009, 08:08 PM   #3719
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holy smokes...great turnout! I need to get back there and ride the new line...I loved Vancouver!
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Old September 9th, 2009, 05:30 AM   #3720
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Fifteen thousand commuters rode the Canada Line on Tuesday morning

Canada Line's 1st big test gets mixed grade
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Metro Vancouver commuters crowd into a new Canada Line rapid transit train Tuesday morning.Metro Vancouver commuters crowd into a new Canada Line rapid transit train Tuesday morning. (CBC)Metro Vancouver's addition to the SkyTrain rapid-transit system, the Canada Line, got mixed reviews from commuters on the first day after the Labour Day weekend.

Commuters from Richmond and other points south of the Fraser River who were used to riding a single bus into Vancouver were routed to the Canada Line starting Tuesday.

Some were looking forward to the change because the old bus routes didn't work well with their work schedule.

"I have been waiting for a long time for something like this that's clean and green," said one commuter.

Others were less keen. "It used to be one direct bus, but now I have to transfer and stand and take slightly longer," said another.

The Canada Line's Bridgeport station became a busy hub in Richmond.

Morning trains arriving from Richmond were full, some with standing room only. But those who waited a couple of minutes later found the next train from the airport had plenty of room.

A long lineup stretched through a Canada Line station early Tuesday.A long lineup stretched through a Canada Line station early Tuesday. (CBC)Ken Hardie, spokesman for Translink, Metro Vancouver's transportation authority, said commuters should start figuring this out.

"Over the next few days, we can see some strategies developing, especially at Bridgeport, where people will say, 'Ah, this one's a little full, so the next one will be OK," said Hardie.

At one Canada Line station, long lineups were not the fault of full trains, but passengers who stopped at the single entrance to the platform instead of spreading out along the platform to allow people to quickly board the train at its various doors.

Fifteen thousand commuters rode the Canada Line on Tuesday morning, compared with 9,000 for the same 6 to 9 a.m. period last Tuesday.

The Canada Line cost a reported $1.9 billion and took about four years to build.
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