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Old February 4th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #3801
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Don't need to buy very expensive trams to run on, you can find good trams made in eastern Europe for about a million € when other trams cost arond 4 to 5 times more (like the Belgian ones running in Vancouver forthe Olympics...) Bombardier is not the cheapest. Anyway I understood it is not a priority. From Brazil to Alaska, America is still in a large "petrol state of mind"... Still money driven and not so people minded. Crisis did not teach seems so...

At least, with heritage trams, you will be able to recycle old material... Could be a good idea...
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:04 PM   #3802
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To be fair, TransLink isn't useless. It's just quite restricted in its powers as it is mostly controlled by the Provincial Gov't.

Yes, the streetcar is needed and wanted, but from a regional standpoint, there are far more other priorities. Like I've been saying, more money is needed to go towards infrastructure so that we can continue expanding all the necessary services in Vancouver.
Good point. While I know Skytrain predated translink I think it's interesting that all three rapid transit lines were built by the Provincial government and in all cases received opposition from local politicians. So if we left it to Translink or it's predecessor BC Transit we wouldn't have any rapid transit today.

So when I say useless I mean the model is seriously broken.
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Old February 6th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #3803
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Don't need to buy very expensive trams to run on, you can find good trams made in eastern Europe for about a million € when other trams cost arond 4 to 5 times more (like the Belgian ones running in Vancouver forthe Olympics...) Bombardier is not the cheapest.
Not at all, a 32m long Alstom Citadis tram cost around 2m€ piece.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:20 AM   #3804
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They're dumping the streetcar when the games are over and are then running a historical tram along it only in the warmer months? That's crazy.

It should be the first stage of a vast LR/Tram network for Vancouver. Don't take two steps forward and then one step back.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #3805
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They're dumping the streetcar when the games are over and are then running a historical tram along it only in the warmer months? That's crazy.

It should be the first stage of a vast LR/Tram network for Vancouver. Don't take two steps forward and then one step back.
Well that essentially what this project is to prevent from doing. Previously, we've been only running historic trams on selected days and limited times, with a daily ridership of approximately 1500 passengers per day. Vancouver always envisioned a streetcar, but couldn't do it because of the lack of attention from the other governments as well as funding. City of Vancouver (mainly the previous mayor Sam Sullivan) wished to use this demonstration project, in partnership with Bombardier, to bring more attention to this project and have the public be able to travel on modern streetcar vehicles in order to gain more support, hopefully pushing the other governments and regional bodies to fund a real streetcar from Granville Island to at least Waterfront Station (Downtown Hub).

Really, this is a stepping stone to a real streetcar network.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #3806
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How about trolleybuses?
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:09 PM   #3807
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Anyway, there is need for a good mix of fast, confortable, convenient and affordable public transportation system in every single city of a reasonable size. So, whatever happens, Vancouver has to deal with this too. Even if we still have petrol in 50 years, there are still traffic jams and cities cannot accept all cars possible. There is need to develop Park and Ride spots and see things globally. But are people still able to see the big picture nowadays?
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #3808
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You are aware that most buses in Vancouver proper are trolley buses, right? Not many classic diesel buses are used anymore with most newer buses being low sulfur/hybrid...only the highway coaches are classic diesel buses with a few exceptions on suburban routes.

Also, it's not as simple as simply buying a trams that are already available. Most of them don't meet standards here, so they would need to be redesigned and adapted to meet them. Look at Toronto, which ordered tons of new trams and will have to pay quite a premium and wait a long time to get them. I believe these trams had a Transport Canada exemption, which is why they have tons of people supervising at intersections and on the train itself.

Let's not forget infrastructure, which would need to be built. The trams would have little dedicated ROW because there is simply no room to run them other than down a street.

So while a tram is nice, it wouldn't offer anything more than the current trolley buses do most of the time.

As for you thinking Vancouver is a classical American city, I suggest looking through other Vancouver transit threads (why did the Canada Line thread become a Vancouver transit thread in the first place????). Most of the stuff you are suggesting is already is place and used widely for decades.

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Old February 7th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #3809
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So while a tram is nice, it wouldn't offer anything more than the current trolley buses do most of the time.
Depends on how it will be designed, with the same route patern as the older trolley bus the only hing it will give you is capacity.
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Old February 9th, 2010, 08:22 AM   #3810
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Deja vu...




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Old February 11th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #3811
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The Olympic torch runs through Aberdeen Station, inbound platform. Check the full set out here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theduck...7623395553502/

Don't forget to join in the discussions at the Olympic forum!

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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #3812
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Might some consultant've failed at advising the Scotchgarding of that ceiling?
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Old February 25th, 2010, 08:25 AM   #3813
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Canada Line to run 24 hours from Feb 28-March 1 from YVR-Airport to Waterfront, with trains every 6 minutes. Richmond, however, will use normal service hours, but passengers bound for Richmond can get off at Bridgeport and transfer onto a N10 bus.

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Special Olympic Canada Line service to YVR – February 28 / March 1

Special all-night service will help move post-Olympics airport passengers from Vancouver

TransLink and Vancouver Airport Authority have arranged for the Canada Line to maintain service from downtown Vancouver to Vancouver International Airport (YVR) throughout the night of February 28th into March 1st. The special all-night service will help move the record number of passengers expected to pass through the airport in the 24 hours following the end of the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.



All Canada Line stations will remain open between Waterfront and YVR, however the Richmond Stations south of Bridgeport will close as usual overnight. Ten trains, with the capacity to move over 3,300 passengers per hour, will run at six minute intervals.

TransLink will work with the hospitality industry to ensure visitors are aware of the additional rapid transit service to the airport.



March 1 is predicted to be the busiest day in YVR’s history, with up to 39,000 travellers and 77,000 pieces of baggage expected to depart the airport. The Airport Authority has implemented a number of programs to ensure smooth travel through the terminal including increased customer service presence, offsite check-in facilities at the Athlete Villages and an auxiliary terminal on Sea Island. Air travellers are encouraged to check ww.yvr.ca for the latest flight information before departing for the airport.



TransLink CEO Ian Jarvis says “All rail rapid transit services are normally shut down for daily maintenance, which is why they do not run 24/7. This is a very special circumstance; with so many people planning to fly out of Vancouver immediately after the games we will leave ten of Canada Line’s trains running while the other ten are prepared for regular service on March 1st,” he says.



Jarvis says the entire transit system, staff and equipment alike, has performed at unprecedented levels during the Games, moving record numbers of passengers. “Maintenance staff has done outstanding work to keep the bus, rail and marine fleets in service, complementing the efforts of bus operators, SkyTrain and SeaBus attendants, Transit Police and volunteers to keep all our customers moving safely and efficiently over the Olympic period.



“The whole transit system has demonstrated great efficiency, flexibility and resiliency throughout the Games, and people across the region have responded in a tremendously positive way to all the TravelSmart options, demonstrating patience and hospitality along the way. Together all of these factors have helped our road and transit system contribute positively to the overall Games-time experience,” he says.
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Old February 25th, 2010, 08:26 AM   #3814
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Posted in Spectators Discussion:
Canada Line to run 24 hours from Feb 28-March 1 from YVR-Airport to Waterfront, with trains every 6 minutes. Richmond, however, will use normal service hours, but passengers bound for Richmond can get off at Bridgeport and transfer onto a N10 bus.

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Special Olympic Canada Line service to YVR – February 28 / March 1

Special all-night service will help move post-Olympics airport passengers from Vancouver

TransLink and Vancouver Airport Authority have arranged for the Canada Line to maintain service from downtown Vancouver to Vancouver International Airport (YVR) throughout the night of February 28th into March 1st. The special all-night service will help move the record number of passengers expected to pass through the airport in the 24 hours following the end of the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.



All Canada Line stations will remain open between Waterfront and YVR, however the Richmond Stations south of Bridgeport will close as usual overnight. Ten trains, with the capacity to move over 3,300 passengers per hour, will run at six minute intervals.

TransLink will work with the hospitality industry to ensure visitors are aware of the additional rapid transit service to the airport.



March 1 is predicted to be the busiest day in YVR’s history, with up to 39,000 travellers and 77,000 pieces of baggage expected to depart the airport. The Airport Authority has implemented a number of programs to ensure smooth travel through the terminal including increased customer service presence, offsite check-in facilities at the Athlete Villages and an auxiliary terminal on Sea Island. Air travellers are encouraged to check ww.yvr.ca for the latest flight information before departing for the airport.



TransLink CEO Ian Jarvis says “All rail rapid transit services are normally shut down for daily maintenance, which is why they do not run 24/7. This is a very special circumstance; with so many people planning to fly out of Vancouver immediately after the games we will leave ten of Canada Line’s trains running while the other ten are prepared for regular service on March 1st,” he says.



Jarvis says the entire transit system, staff and equipment alike, has performed at unprecedented levels during the Games, moving record numbers of passengers. “Maintenance staff has done outstanding work to keep the bus, rail and marine fleets in service, complementing the efforts of bus operators, SkyTrain and SeaBus attendants, Transit Police and volunteers to keep all our customers moving safely and efficiently over the Olympic period.



“The whole transit system has demonstrated great efficiency, flexibility and resiliency throughout the Games, and people across the region have responded in a tremendously positive way to all the TravelSmart options, demonstrating patience and hospitality along the way. Together all of these factors have helped our road and transit system contribute positively to the overall Games-time experience,” he says.
(TransLink, 2010)
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Old February 25th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #3815
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I finally made my first ride on the Canada Line..........my observations:
Not only are the stations incredibly small but weren't very wide either. The stations had no down escalators. The stations were fairly decent, certainly not eye-popping but pleasant. One thing that struck me the most is the ride itself. I have never been on a Metro that is as smooth and quiet as this one, it was a very pleasant surprise.
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Old February 27th, 2010, 12:03 AM   #3816
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I finally made my first ride on the Canada Line..........my observations:
Not only are the stations incredibly small but weren't very wide either. The stations had no down escalators. The stations were fairly decent, certainly not eye-popping but pleasant. One thing that struck me the most is the ride itself. I have never been on a Metro that is as smooth and quiet as this one, it was a very pleasant surprise.
The technology for laying and joining the rails has gone up a notch or two over the last century. The tolerances, when they welded the Canada Line rails together, were very tight from what I hear. You can also thank the vehicles themselves for the smooth ride, since they have some sort of air cushioning going on.
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Old February 27th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #3817
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By any chance, has the transit operator finally taken to washing its busses regularly during the Olympiques, because with all the precip the lower mainland gets and what with my own recollection from years back, their vehicules -- unlike Montreal, which washes its own fleets after mucky days -- were scummy for weeks at a time, making it mighty difficult to for me as a passenger to observe where us riders were?

If so, what's the likelihood of that region continuing its regular washes of its fleets?
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Old February 27th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #3818
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Our buses have been quite clean for quite some time now. They did have cleaning issues before, especially after snow, but it's not a wash everyday. I think the new colour scheme hides away a lot of the dirt though.

Inside, they are bright, clean, and comfortable, especially those with the new vinyl material on the seats.
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Old March 7th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #3819
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Deasine,Olympic Games are over (so as the test "olympic" tramline).So could you tell something about passenger's oppinions about Flexity Outlook trams and about the possibility of introducing tram/light rail (of course with such a vehicles) service in Vancouver?

EDIT: Or maybe it's not the end of operation of the tramline ?At least, Paralympic Games are not over yet
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Deasine,Olympic Games are over (so as the test "olympic" tramline).So could you tell something about passenger's oppinions about Flexity Outlook trams and about the possibility of introducing tram/light rail (of course with such a vehicles) service in Vancouver?

EDIT: Or maybe it's not the end of operation of the tramline ?At least, Paralympic Games are not over yet
The last day of service for the streetcar "trail" project is on March 21st. Unfortunately, there hasn't been an announcement to build/expand the streetcar project towards Waterfront Stn via Gastown, Chinatown, Main Street-Science World Stn, and the actual Olympic Village (not the station).

People love the Brussels trams. It's a little narrow, but most of them know, through explanation of Bombardier and City of Vancouver workers, that these streetcars are narrow because Brussel streets are narrow. In Vancouver, I'm sure a standard LRT vehicle width would be used instead. Many Vancouverites haven't experienced a surface rail train, since Vancouver doesn't have LRT or Trams, so it was a pleasant surprise for many. General consensus: everyone loves it and wants it to stay.
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