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Old August 2nd, 2005, 10:05 PM   #601
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SNC-Lavalin (InTransitBC) formally signed with RAVco. The announcement is in the new Bulletin No 9 on the RAV site, including a funding agency cost breakdown. It also says that InTransitBC is contributing $635 Million over the 35 year term of the contract:

http://www.ravprapidtransit.com/en/rav_updates.php

Bulletin No. 9 includes these two pics of the North Arm bridge.

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holy shit is that awesome.....looks like a exact mini-replica of Skybridge. since this is the first real rendering of the line, i guess we can expect station renderings soon.
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If you look closely, the train passes on the outsides of the towers, not through it and the cables support the bridge deck along a single axis between the guideways (down the middle of the bridge deck).

For Skybridge the train passes through the tower and the cables support the bridge deck on the outside edges of the bridge deck.

This will be the first cable stayed suspension bridge of its kind in the GVRD. Its cable arrangement is like the Millau Viaduct in France.

Compare with these pics of Skybridge and the Millau Viaduct:


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Old August 3rd, 2005, 11:16 PM   #604
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Also found this pic of the North Arm bridge on the Buckland & Taylor website:

http://www.b-t.com/latest.htm

RAV North Arm Crossing, BC, Canada

Buckland & Taylor Ltd., as a sub-consultant to SNC Lavalin, was awarded the contract to provide the design for an extrados bridge for the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver (RAV) Rapid Transit North Arm Crossing. The estimated date of completion is 2008.

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Final RAV deal up by $180 million
Winning bidder, two new partners will cover the increase


William Boei
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Wednesday, August 03, 2005

VANCOUVER - A final deal to build the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver rapid transit line was unveiled Tuesday with a price tag of $1.9 billion, up $180 million from the previous estimate of $1.72 billion.

Construction will begin as early as mid-September.

Taxpayers are not on the hook for the increase. It will be covered by the winning bidder for the RAV Line, SNC-Lavalin, and two new partners who stepped forward Tuesday: The B.C. Investment Management Corp. and the Caisse de depot et placement du Quebec, which operate huge public-sector pension-plan investment pools in their respective provinces.

The three companies are equal partners in InTransitBC, which will build and operate the RAV Line.

"We've now finalized our contract with InTransitBC, and that allows us to commence construction," said Jane Bird, chief executive of Ravco, the TransLink subsidiary overseeing the project.

"After much planning and discussion, we're really in a position to break ground."

Bird said the public-sector contribution to the RAV Line is virtually unchanged at $1.25 billion.

"We have a fixed price contract with InTransitBC with a firm delivery date of November 2009," she said.

The last details of the deal were settled Friday and the contract signed early Saturday.

The final tally of capital investment in the line shows the federal government is contributing about $419 million, the B.C. government $235 million, TransLink $245 million, the Vancouver International Airport Authority $321 million and the City of Vancouver -- which is paying for an extra station it wants built -- $27 million, for total public investment of $1.247 billion.

InTransitBC is investing $657 million, for a total of $1.9 billion.

Asked if InTransitBC can make a profit over the term of its 35-year contract to build and operate the line, public affairs vice-president Steve Crombie said, "Yes, absolutely."

Crombie said InTransitBC was able to attract additional investment because the RAV Line is considered to be "a very solid project."

"We've also been able to identify some cost savings and operating revenue from the line that have made it easier to attract private-sector financing."

InTransitBC has already handed a construction contract to SNC-Lavalin worth about $1.5 billion.

Taxpayers are insulated from construction cost overruns, which are InTransitBC's responsibility. SNC-Lavalin, which is building projects all over the world from the new Bennett Bridge at Kelowna to a liquid natural gas converter in Algeria and a sulphuric acid plant in Russia, is experienced at keeping costs down, said senior vice-president Jim Burke.

TransLink -- and Greater Vancouver taxpayers -- do face some risk after the line opens if ridership falls short of projections. Because it's in charge of setting ticket prices, promoting the line and providing feeder bus lines, ridership shortfalls are TransLink's responsibility.

Don Toffaletto, a long-time opponent of the RAV Line, said he thinks that will be a problem.

"The people who are eventually going to pay for this are Greater Vancouver taxpayers," said Toffaletto, co-chair of the Re-Think Rav Coalition.

Toffaletto said neither the Expo Line nor the Millennium Line has achieved ridership projections and he expects the RAV Line to fall short as well.

The project faces one more legal challenge from another group, the Do Rav Right Coalition, a group of merchants and residents along Cambie Street who object to the amount of cut-and-cover construction, fearing it will disrupt their businesses and their lives. The group has filed a court appeal seeking to have the project stopped or changed, but Bird indicated Ravco isn't worried and construction will start immediately.

Toffaletto wasn't convinced.

"I'm not so sure that it's unstoppable," he said. "It may still fall apart."

Ravco said it will publish a "final project report" before the end of the year reviewing the bidding process for the RAV Line. In Victoria, Auditor-General Wayne Strelioff said he had accepted Ravco's invitation to examine the report.

Early construction activity will include building a precast concrete facility at Kent and Fraser in south Vancouver that will make some of the tunnel, bridge and guideway segments for the line.

In mid to late September, some streets will be dug up in Vancouver and Richmond to relocate electric, water and sewer lines along the route.

Work on bridges spanning the north and middle arms of the Fraser River will likely begin in October.

The east-side lanes of Cambie Street near Queen Elizabeth Park will likely be closed late in the fall and two-way traffic will be routed along the west-side lanes. However, cut-and-cover construction won't begin until late 2006.

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RAV CHANGES:

The final version of the RAV line is still recognizable as the project approved last year by TransLink. But some of the details have changed. It's a 20-kilometre SkyTrain-like rapid transit line connecting downtown Vancouver with the airport and Richmond. That hasn't changed. These things have:

- Instead of $1.72 billion, it will cost $1.9 billion.

- Thirty-seven blocks along the route, two on Granville Mall and 35 on Cambie Street, will be built using cut-and-cover construction instead of deep tunnel-boring.

- It will have 16 stations. That number has fluctuated; most recently the Airport Authority has cut its plan from four stations to three, but the City of Vancouver has agreed to pay $27 million to have an extra station built at Cambie and Second Avenue. There are plans to build as many as four stations later: two more along Cambie Street, a third in Richmond and a fourth at the airport.

- A 1.7-kilometre stretch of the RAV line on Sea Island will run at grade instead of on an elevated guideway.

- A 650-metre segment on Sea Island will be single- rather than double-tracked.

- The RAV line bridge over the north arm of the Fraser River will include bicycle and pedestrian paths.

Ran with fact box "RAV Changes", which has been appended to the end of the story.

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Old August 3rd, 2005, 11:55 PM   #606
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it'll probably top of at $2 billion when finished or maybe $2.1. it's a good deal. the private sector is responsible for so much and when it's completed, Translink will give InTransitBC a nudge on quality control.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:43 AM   #607
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more updates - Annual Report for 2004 and 2005 2nd Qtr Report

http://www.ravprapidtransit.com/en/whatsnew.php

The 2004 Annual Report confirms the line will be called the Canada Line.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 09:36 PM   #608
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From what i've been seeing this project looks really good. This will be such an asset to Vancouver and i'm really happy with how this project is going.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 11:27 PM   #609
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i'd still prefer a station at 16th but meh...
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hmm... I think the broadway/city hall station will actually be located between 10 and 12th ave... that should be close enough to 16th ave I think..
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hmm... I think the broadway/city hall station will actually be located between 10 and 12th ave... that should be close enough to 16th ave I think..

it's certainly not TOO far but i want the area around 16th to be densified and i don't know if you could "sell" that idea to developers to make them want to build taller buildings unless it feels as if it's right next to a skytrain station


(incidentally i live at 14th and cambie)
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I think Cambie will still fall under the main streets densification policy - i.e. midrises not high rises. Mind you, Olive is taller than the standard 4 storeys you see on West Broadway. Pacifica is on the site of the former BC Transit bus yard, so it's a bigger than average site.

Did anyone notice that the reports say that the King Edward Station was relocated from the SE corner to the NW (strip mall) corner? So they had planned to build the station on the site of the well-known haunted house! That would have been weird.
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I think Cambie will still fall under the main streets densification policy - i.e. midrises not high rises. Mind you, Olive is taller than the standard 4 storeys you see on West Broadway. Pacifica is on the site of the former BC Transit bus yard, so it's a bigger than average site.

Did anyone notice that the reports say that the King Edward Station was relocated from the SE corner to the NW (strip mall) corner? So they had planned to build the station on the site of the well-known haunted house! That would have been weird.
well we need SOME place to put more highrises. Oakridge should be one place.

the area from broadway to 25th should be another



i know so far no rezoning has been done yet but i think it will in the future - and those areas are where it needs to be. Instead of 2 story buildings with commercial stores at the bottom they need to demolish those and build 20+story buildings with the commercial stores at the bottom
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Agreed that Oakridge should have some highrises - but I think that the neighbourhood that could take the most highrises (within the City of Vancouver) is Broadway and Commercial. Even 20+ storeys in a cluster.

I think there'll be a fight to demolish those rental walk-ups along Cambie north of King Edward.

I think I'd rather see highrises in clusters (at rapid transit stations) rather than lined up along main streets. (Though Broadway is an example of a line of highrises).
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they should densify the areas around all the rav stations into 10-20 story mid rises. they should have clusters of densified areas instead of densifying all of cambie street. does anyone know whats happening to the bus depot on 41st? are they building liek townhouses or mid rises? or doing sumthing else with it...?
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they should densify the areas around all the rav stations into 10-20 story mid rises. they should have clusters of densified areas instead of densifying all of cambie street. does anyone know whats happening to the bus depot on 41st? are they building liek townhouses or mid rises? or doing sumthing else with it...?

Richmond is densifying already!!!
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they should densify the areas around all the rav stations into 10-20 story mid rises. they should have clusters of densified areas instead of densifying all of cambie street. does anyone know whats happening to the bus depot on 41st? are they building liek townhouses or mid rises? or doing sumthing else with it...?
We don't know yet....but the Oakridge area has the potential of being the next Metrotown. condos! condos! condos!.....and office towes.................
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What Will Vancouver's RAV Be Called?

The line will be called the "Canada line" and will undoubtably have red for its colour.

What I was woundering is will it be officaly refered to as skytrain? I think most people will refer to it as that anyways and it looks just like skytrain in the below picture.



The fact is that most of the line will run under ground and it will be differnt technology, but I was just in London and I realized that the Underground isn't always underground and the system is so old that there are significant differences between the older lines and the newest one.


What do you think?
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It should officially be called SkyTrain. It'll be the generic name of our rapid transit system just like Hong Kong's MTR, the TTC, and of course the London Underground. Not only should the Canada Line be called SkyTrain, the Coquitlam Line should follow suit as well.
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^ Oh please! It should only be called Skytrain if it truly is Sky-Train! A train high up in the sky!!!! High above the homes of the creme de la creme!
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