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Old November 27th, 2005, 03:05 AM   #661
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It is operationally, a completely independent line within the Translink network - and will be operated and maintained as such by the private contractor for 30 years.

The decision on whether to exercise the option to add fare gates to the contract will be made by Translink on December 7th (the next board meeting).
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Old November 27th, 2005, 07:57 AM   #662
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I'm surprised Bombardier didn't get the contract.
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Old November 27th, 2005, 07:16 PM   #663
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It is operationally, a completely independent line within the Translink network - and will be operated and maintained as such by the private contractor for 30 years.

The decision on whether to exercise the option to add fare gates to the contract will be made by Translink on December 7th (the next board meeting).
Berlin, Germany has a completely gate-less system.

They also have roving ticket inspectors who wear "street chic" clothing, so when you see them board the train you dont know that they are ticket inspectors - until the doors close and they call out "ticket inspection" (or something similar) in German.

They do have photocards with their names, etc, if you want to see it - although its just better to show them your ticket (whilst holding tightly, in case they are fake inspectors)

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Old November 27th, 2005, 11:19 PM   #664
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Hey thats cool...the trains will look almost exactly like Manila MRT 2: (which ROTEM also supplied)





I'm glad and quite surprised as well that ROTEM got the contract over Bombardier.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 01:01 AM   #665
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I am fairly dissapointed at their choice (I guess price is the main factor in the decision). At least it will be completely driverless. It would have been nice if they chose Bombardier and just made it join up with the Expo line at downtown and not have to build a seperate control centre. This would have allowed for quite some amount of savings.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 01:08 AM   #666
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In order to establish a level playing field for all bidders, the Request for Proposals for the RAV line prohibited bidders from using any costs savings created by combining systems with the existing lines.

Since the line is being operated and maintained by InTransitBC (Lavalin et al), any cost efficiencies would only have been realized after the 30 year life of InTransitBC's contract. Also, the Edmonds yard probably wouldn't be big enough anyways.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 05:50 AM   #667
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I am fairly dissapointed at their choice (I guess price is the main factor in the decision). At least it will be completely driverless. It would have been nice if they chose Bombardier and just made it join up with the Expo line at downtown and not have to build a seperate control centre. This would have allowed for quite some amount of savings.
It seems like a penny wise and pound foolish choice. The US at one time had companies like St Louis Car, Budd, ACF and Pullman Standard with that it lost and now goes overseas to buy. The LIM system used in Vancouver is excellent and would have been superior to the LRT now being built in Seattle.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 06:06 AM   #668
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Two New Transit Lines for Vancouver

Vancouver is breaking ground on two new transit lines, the Canada Line and the Coquitlam Line:



On the above map, the Canada Line is shown by its former name, the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver (RAV) Line.

The Coquitlam Line will be a conventional light rail line, which represents a major break with the high-tech approach taken with the previous fully automated Expo and Millennium Skytrain Lines built in Vancouver. One section of the line will be in a tunnel; however, much of the line will be built along the median of city streets:















The Canada Line has been mentioned in several other posts on this forum. It will be fully automated like the previous Expo and Millennium Skytrain Lines in Vancouver; however, there the similarity will end. The Canada Line trains will be powered by conventional rotary electric motors rather than the LIM propulsion of the Expo and Millennium Line trains:











Much of the Canada Line will be tunneled. The plan is to use shallow cut-and-cover tunnels. The construction approach is described on the following figures:













For more information, see the following links:

Coquitlam Line
http://www.translink.bc.ca/Plans_Pro...oquitlam_Line/

Canada (RAV) Line
http://www.canadaline.ca/index.asp
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Old December 1st, 2005, 07:38 AM   #669
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why is vancouver getting 3 new transit lines in 10 years, while Toronto, the only city in canada, only gets an incompleted sheppard line?
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Old December 1st, 2005, 07:40 AM   #670
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Yeah, it sucks.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 07:43 AM   #671
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lol..."the only city in Canada" ......**** off!
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Old December 1st, 2005, 08:14 AM   #672
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What the hell? Who is this C|2azyCanuck imposter?
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why is vancouver getting 3 new transit lines in 10 years, while Toronto, the only city in canada, only gets an incompleted sheppard line?
"only city in Canada"...........???????????????
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why is vancouver getting 3 new transit lines in 10 years, while Toronto, the only city in canada, only gets an incompleted sheppard line?
Probably because your municipal/provincial goverment does not want to invest in transportation infrastructure. You should consider electing somewho who is more pro-transit/densification. As for your flamebait, I wont bite
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Old December 1st, 2005, 10:42 AM   #675
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Greater Vancouver has the largest transportation authority, Translink serves a larger area then the TTC and pulls in more funding. By 2010 Vancouver will have the largest rapid transit system in Canada. I haven't heard of any plans for anouther rapid transit line in Toronto, I bet Vancouver will have extended the M-line down Broadway befor "Canada's only city" gets another one.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 01:09 PM   #676
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That looks like an awesome project for an awesome city.
I was in Vancouver in 99 and loved it. The Skytrain is worldclass, and I would love to see its technology copied here in Australia.
Hopefully next time I'm in Canada, I will arrive by Qantas, and reach the downtown area by Skytrain. Couldnt get any better
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Old December 1st, 2005, 01:16 PM   #677
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Nice, how come they didn't elevate the Canada Line all the way to the city like the original SkyTrain? Was it the dreaded NIMBY?
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Old December 1st, 2005, 01:27 PM   #678
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From my limited knowledge, the corridor is very dense, and the only way to do it is underground.
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Nice, how come they didn't elevate the Canada Line all the way to the city like the original SkyTrain? Was it the dreaded NIMBY?
There is no way that an elevated platform can be built from King George to downtown, as there is no room unless lanes on cambie are closed (which will never be the case). As for other problems, an elavated Skytrain line would ruin the appeal of areas such as Yaletown and false creek views.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 05:48 PM   #680
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Greater Vancouver has the largest transportation authority, Translink serves a larger area then the TTC and pulls in more funding. By 2010 Vancouver will have the largest rapid transit system in Canada. I haven't heard of any plans for anouther rapid transit line in Toronto, I bet Vancouver will have extended the M-line down Broadway befor "Canada's only city" gets another one.
It may have the largest system but it will still lag far behind Montreal and Toronto when it comes to actual ridership. Montreal and Toronto have actual heavy rail subway systems, the cream of the crop, Vancouver is still using its light rail.
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