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Old December 4th, 2005, 07:33 AM   #721
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Questions from the Hitachi link:

1. It says that train can scale an 8% grade compared to 3.5% for conventional rotary motor trains. I found the "Sheffield Supertram", which uses conventional rotary motors, can climb a 10% grade though, and there's probably some conventional LRTs that go even steeper. But aren't linear motors (in some form) the technology that proposed rail-based satellite launchers and some roller coasters use, in which case they should be capable of handling really steep gradients? What is the maximum grade for Skytrain?

2. Which are more energy efficient: linear or conventional rotary motors?
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Old December 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM   #722
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^ I think the LIM for rollercoasters are used primarily as a catapult rather than a hill climbing propulsion system, such as the one below.



Of course, imagine the fun if LIMs are use to catapult transit vehicles up steep hills.
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Old December 4th, 2005, 11:26 AM   #723
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It's great to hear that Vancouver is not sitting still! I can't wait to ride these lines!
A few points of concern:
-While the different technology is great, if it's not fully automated (e.g. has attendants in each train) then Translink will have a problem with operating costs, as currently the two SkyTrain lines bring in at least as much as they cost to run, sometimes more (Operating Profit). If there are attendants in each train, then operating profit may not be achievable. The same goes for the other light rail line, where drivers will be required.

Also, the operating cost of multiple technologies is also significant, but perhaps it was offset by reduction in the initial cost of the equipment. (Perhaps Bombardier thought it could win using this argument and they bid higher).

They can always convert the Canada Line to LIM if they desire to do so later, at a cost, of course. However, the Green line will not be convertible, unless, of course, it's grade-separated.

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The list of transit lines that use Bombardier's LIM The wheel slip concern is real as evidenced by the slides below.
WMATA seems to have a problem with its operators, who can be unskilled or who tend to fall asleep easily (one of the more recent accidents shows just that).

The problem with driverless automation is also related to unionized labor.
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Old December 4th, 2005, 08:58 PM   #724
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The Canada Line vehicles will be as wide as those on the Toronto subways, but the trains not as long, two cars only, but would be lengthened as platforms are lengthened up to 10 metres as passenger levels rise.

Ontario (Toronto) seems to be whining now like BC did in the 1990s before the massive funding for capital projects such as the Canada Line and Kicking Horse Pass Highway and the border highways. Alberta and Saskatchewan are the provinces which really have missed out on funding , in my opinion. The Maritimes and Quebec have long had plenty of federal money to build highways, get offices for federal agencies such as Gun Control boondoggle. Ontario, along with Quebec, has the only decent VIA service in the country, it got lots of funding for the GO service from Collenette/Chretien, planned funding for the Blue 22 Pearson/Union connection, lots more funding for immigration lately, and less in transfer funds.
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Old December 6th, 2005, 12:18 PM   #725
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It may have the largest system but it will still lag far behind Montreal and Toronto when it comes to actual ridership. Montreal and Toronto have actual heavy rail subway systems, the cream of the crop, Vancouver is still using its light rail.

It doesnt matter what type of vehicle it is, as long as it gets the job done, thats just a stupid myth brought up by people i have seen. Ridership however is the main focus.
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Old December 6th, 2005, 12:30 PM   #726
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It may have the largest system but it will still lag far behind Montreal and Toronto when it comes to actual ridership. Montreal and Toronto have actual heavy rail subway systems, the cream of the crop, Vancouver is still using its light rail.

The new line is Heavy rail, not that i care, but just correcting you. Its faster, and safer than those things you have. Skytrain which is ALRT, is the same a fast and clean system. You seem bitter? Dont worry Toronto will get its funding someday.


On another note, the Coquitlam line should of been skytrain, i dont like the LRT. If anyone needed to have at grade it should of been Richmond, it would look so gorgious down number 3 road, instead of a elevated structure.
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Old December 6th, 2005, 05:00 PM   #727
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It doesnt matter what type of vehicle it is, as long as it gets the job done, thats just a stupid myth brought up by people i have seen. Ridership however is the main focus.
I know ridership is the main focus, that is my whole point. You cant run 2 car trains and somehow think it is equal to a subway.
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Old December 6th, 2005, 05:27 PM   #728
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The new line is Heavy rail, not that i care, but just correcting you. Its faster, and safer than those things you have. Skytrain which is ALRT, is the same a fast and clean system. You seem bitter? Dont worry Toronto will get its funding someday.
I think of the Canada Line as potentially Heavy rail, not that I care either. I think it's a little odd that the new line would be called heavy rail, while skytrain is light rail. There is a capacity difference, but not a whole lot. Where do you draw the line between heavy and light I wonder? Not really important, but I'm curious.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 09:47 PM   #729
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Quick note, as of December 7th, the Green line will offically be called the evergreen line.

Vancouver Sun 12/07/05

"Public naming contest comes up with Evergreen Line for new Burnaby-Coquitlam line
The light rail rapid-transit line from Burnaby to Coquitlam will probably be called the Evergreen Line"

Does anyone else notice how all public works projects have really cheesy names? or is it just Vancouver?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 10:14 PM   #730
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I don't like that name. They should have named it either the Canada Line (& name RAV the Olympic line), Fraser Line or called the LRT line the Olympic Line (& keep RAV as Canada Line).
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:34 PM   #731
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I'll take Evergreen Line over Spirit Line any day. It's so typical though of naming things here. Maybe just Green Line would have been better but I definitely agree on calling something Olympic line. Fraser would have been good as well or Pacific.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:57 PM   #732
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Officially, the Canada Line is a "Light Metro".

As for Light Rail, Intermediate Capacity Transit System (ICTS) and Heavy Rail, that's all based on passenger capacity and trying to correlate that to the physical size of a vehicle doesn't really work.

There are so many variations in the design and configurations of vehicles and cars and power supplies and rail gauges and wheel types and train lengths and articulation that you can't lump things into neat and tidy categories. To try to do so is a useless exercise.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:31 AM   #733
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I think you need a special degree to calculate everything and put it into the correct category. But of course there is no correct category it seems.

Regarding the Evergreen Line... better that than having some corporate name like the Walmart Line or the Safeway Line.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 08:38 AM   #734
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LOL, Evergreen Line.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 01:57 PM   #735
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There are so many variations in the design and configurations of vehicles and cars and power supplies and rail gauges and wheel types and train lengths and articulation that you can't lump things into neat and tidy categories. To try to do so is a useless exercise.

Why dont they just add on two more trains, instead of just two. I am sure they will sooner or later.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 08:39 PM   #736
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I'm just disappointed that for a region with such huge historical signifigance to Canada (End of CPR, largest sawmill in Brit Emp b4 WW1 etc) they couldn't come up with a name that is local...I mean, we could be anywhere outside of TX,Arz or Sask with that name eh? heh, i suggested names from our high schools. (Terry Fox, C. Best, Eagle Ridge). o well..but your right, it is better than the Spirit line (spirit of what i don't know)
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Old December 8th, 2005, 11:36 PM   #737
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Apparently there's a community centre or cultural centre called "Evergreen" along the line.
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Old December 11th, 2005, 03:53 PM   #738
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I think they should've named something the Olympic line as well. Why the Expo but not the Olympics? Hello! Pacific line is nice too. Even Spirit line I understand (the Spirit of Canada that led to the discovery and settlement of Western Canada, of course). But not Evergreen line.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 01:34 AM   #739
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Evergreen definitely has a PNW ring to it.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 04:46 AM   #740
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Barnet Line works for me.

The OlympicLine is better than CanadaLine but CanadaLine is still OK. That doesn't change the fact its still a waste of money.
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