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Old January 14th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #781
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Thanks. Very industrial-looking, like Production Way.
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Old January 14th, 2006, 09:40 AM   #782
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awesome!



on a side note, that Global truck looks new. :p
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Old January 14th, 2006, 07:49 PM   #783
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http://www.vcn.bc.ca/t2000bc/learning/background/ten_year_plan/summary.html

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Old January 15th, 2006, 07:34 AM   #784
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Nothing like a new transit station
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Old January 15th, 2006, 09:02 PM   #785
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Our Trolley Buses:
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And our skytrains:
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Old January 16th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #786
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Thanks for the pics.

A couple of notes on the discussion above:

The M-Line switches on the Expo Line weren't installed with the Scott Road Skytrain extension - they were installed at the time the M-Line was built. One switch was installed at a time with the trains alternating directions on one guideway. This forced that segment of the Expo line (incl. the Skybridge) to have reduced frequency (limited by the placement of switches where the trains could get back to the proper track).

I think that the M-Line has to be closer to Broadway than 6th Ave. - there are a lot of office buildings between Cambie, Oak and Granville and just walking the distances from those mains streets to their building cold present a deterrant. Adding a bus transfer or Canada Line transfer to get up the hill would also be a deterrant.

Conceivably, they could short-turn trains at Broadway on the Expo Line to deal with crowds transferring from the M-Line. This track map shows a switch and siding to the east of the Broadway Station (even if it is fairly far away).

http://world.nycsubway.org/canada/va.../skytrmap.html
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Old January 17th, 2006, 01:21 AM   #787
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Architects announced for the new Canada Line stations. Public open houses to discuss station designs to be held starting at the end of January.

http://www.canadaline.ca/uploads/New...ses/News34.pdf
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 01:56 AM   #788
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Vancouver Gateway Project

A major transportation expansion has been announced for Vancouver BC. It includes 3 large new bridges, a new four lane highway and improved connections for 2 other transport routes.

From the Globe and Mail here

Essentially what it includes is

a twinning of one bridge for highway one, complete with bike lanes, room for a future LRT and dedicated transit lanes

An additional river crossing to the east to replace a over used (but very cool) ferry (Golden Ears Bridge)

Replacing two swing bridges (that are clogged to no end at rush hour) with a fixed bridge over a different river (Pitt R)

Construction of a new fourlane highway along the south side of the Fraser River to help move goods into ports

Improving the route along the North side of the river

Expanding the transcanada Hwy within Vancouver itself by one lane ea way


The new bridges will be all toll ones using a creditcard system (or license plate photos) (I'll go around them before I pay those tolls


All in all, I think most of these are needed, but it's going to end up over budget and behind schedual because Vancouver's economy is overheated right now. I also wish they would have expanded the west coast express (Commuter train) at least into Surrey with this, and I have no doubt that everything will be clogged within a year of completion, but it is still cool to see new infastructure.

note, I also wish they would build a connector btw Gaglardi and the Barnet highway at the bottom of SFU. Anyone who drives through there at Rush hour can see why that is needed
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 10:17 PM   #789
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The bridge will have cycle lanes and a light rail connection


New Pitt River Bridge


South Fraser Highway


The need

Its a good plan but the tolls are a stupid idea. I doubt they will actualy put tolls on the bridge. This is the Trans-Canada highway, people won't stand for it. Also I think it is unfair to put tolls on the Port Mann but not on the new Pitt River Bridge of on the South Fraser road.
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 01:53 AM   #790
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The tolls are a good idea. Why should transit riders and people who walk and bike subsidize car drivers
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 02:47 AM   #791
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To be built in what year?
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 02:58 AM   #792
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The province needs some way to pay for all this construction, and if doesn't come from increased taxation, it's got to come from user fees. Tolls is the most fair and reasonable way to offset costs and avoid debt.

Else, the province could raise gasoline tax to pay for it.
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 10:49 AM   #793
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Tolls are unfair. People who drive pay gas tax, on top of that income tax, PST and GST also in part fund infrastructure. Having a safe and modern main highway shouldn't be a privlage it should be a right. Why should a small group of people pay to commute while most people can make their commute with out paying tolls. No other innercity highway in Canada has a toll, and no other major route in Vancouver has a toll or is going to have a toll.

Im not bias, I don't use HWY1 because I live in White Rock and use 99 or 91A. The fact is we are a rich province and country and we pay enough tax, the Goverment can fund this project with no problems.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 01:34 AM   #794
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I think it should all be finished by 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 04:26 AM   #795
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The tolls are a good idea. Why should transit riders and people who walk and bike subsidize car drivers
In Canada, its usually the other way around. Much more fuel tax is collected then is returned to roads. Some of that is returned directly for transit, while some of it just goes into general revenue. Considering how much tax drivers actually pay in this country, it is not unreasonable to have an aversion to toll roads.

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Old February 4th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #796
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The fact is we are a rich province and country and we pay enough tax, the Goverment can fund this project with no problems.
That's how the spiral of out-of-control spending starts. It almost sounds like NDP rhetoric. The province is squeaking by with a modest surplus, and it still has to contend with a giant Olympic bill that just keeps rising everyday.

BC Capital debt has actually increased for at least ten straight years, so it's obvious the province has to borrow to suport these new infrastructure projects.

The province had increased the gas tax in the past to support the sea-to-sky improvements, so if we want to see the Gateway Project go ahead, we better be prepared to shell out via additional taxes (gas taxes), or through user fees (i.e. tolls).

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Old February 4th, 2006, 08:24 AM   #797
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Tolls are unfair. People who drive pay gas tax, on top of that income tax, PST and GST also in part fund infrastructure. Having a safe and modern main highway shouldn't be a privlage it should be a right. Why should a small group of people pay to commute while most people can make their commute with out paying tolls. No other innercity highway in Canada has a toll, and no other major route in Vancouver has a toll or is going to have a toll.

Im not bias, I don't use HWY1 because I live in White Rock and use 99 or 91A. The fact is we are a rich province and country and we pay enough tax, the Goverment can fund this project with no problems.
I pay income tax, and I don't have a car meaning I don't use roads, I pay PST and GST as well but the roads are useless to me - they are a barrier, since traffic lights are there for the sake of cars, cars that use roads that serve no purpose for me unless I'm on a bus. I use the sidewalk or the (railway) tracks. I pay just as much into the infrastructure as any car driver does AND pay even more to use the train/bus or in very rare cases taxi, which is effectively the same as the cost of gas for a driver if the vehicle is fuel-efficient enough. Tolls are extremely justified and fair since cars cause a lot of problems and damage that costs money to fix and maintain. Pay for your own roads and pay to clean up the damage you cause with your cars (air pollution, noise pollution, traffic accidents causing death, etc.). Railway commuters should be given the free ride since they don't cause anywhere remotely near as much damage. Drivers (busses excepted) should pay at every intercity border.
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Oh yeah, how is Vancouver getting all this cool stuff when Toronto, which is falling apart from over-capacity, stressed to bursting at the seams for over a decade, gets jack?!
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Old February 4th, 2006, 08:31 AM   #799
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Oh yeah, how is Vancouver getting all this cool stuff when Toronto, which is falling apart from over-capacity, stressed to bursting at the seams for over a decade, gets jack?!
The BC Liberals (which in essence is a Conservative party) have been very proactive in supporting infrastructure development. Unlike Mike Harris, Campbell's party understands that sound infrastructure is key to economic prosperity, and has allocated a lot of money supporting these improvements.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 08:36 AM   #800
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Oh hahaha... you have no idea. Traffic here is unbearable. We havn't gotten a major infrastructure upgrade for over... I don't even know how long.

But of course... Pffft. Vancouver doesn't need any upgrades... They don't matter.
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