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Old March 8th, 2006, 06:55 AM   #841
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http://www.canadaline.ca/pubConsCurrent.asp#2

New downtown station design proposals.

I am kind of disappointed that the station designs seem so simple with only 1 or 2 exits and not multiple exits with many underground walkways.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 06:28 AM   #842
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"Potential future fare gates"? Oh God. It never ceases to amaze me how much faith they have in humankind with this honour system of theirs.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 06:54 AM   #843
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^ according to a Translink report, there's insufficient ridership to support the operational costs of maintaining and operating (you need staff at each station) the fare gates.
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I was just looking over that report a day ago or so and the amount of fare dodgers is about 6%. The loss of revenue from fare evasion is less than the cost of instillation and maintenance of fare gates, so that's why we have none.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 09:25 AM   #845
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i always wanted translink to follow Hongkong's Octopus Card program.. it is more convienent instead of wasting all those paper on fares
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Old March 9th, 2006, 01:32 PM   #846
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Its not so much of fare evasion, but providing a sense of security. Translink should really go to Asia and see how REAL transit systems are built and how innovative they are, instead of just looking at lousy old North American systems
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There are special gates that prevent people from hopping the turnistiles so that you don't need personal watching them. They have them in New York and in many Asian cities. I think it's a combo of a turnstile and a door where the door only opens if you pass through the turnstile.
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The gates can hinder the druggies/criminals from hopping stations.
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Old March 10th, 2006, 07:43 AM   #849
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TransLink lacks skills to succeed, Falcon says

Miro Cernetig and William Boei, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, March 09, 2006

TransLink, the agency that makes most of the Lower Mainland's crucial transportation decisions, appears to be on the road to being disbanded or radically altered after the provincial government ordered a sweeping review Wednesday.

Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon said TransLink has become parochial, was responsible for the political "fiasco" that nearly stopped the Richmond-Airport-Vancouver rapid transit line, and lacks the expertise to deal with multi-billion dollar projects such as Gateway that will define life in the region in the years ahead.

TransLink is in charge of transportation planning for Greater Vancouver, a daunting task that had been neglected for years since it was created in 1998 by the last NDP government.

Falcon, who has been publicly feuding with TransLink, named a three-member panel headed by former Langley mayor Marlene Grinnell to conduct the review. He would not say whether he hopes to finish with a more workable version of TransLink or a different kind of agency.

He did suggest its board of directors -- local mayors and councillors appointed by the regional district board -- was not equipped to deal with complex issues, multi-billion-dollar projects and an operating budget nearing $1 billion a year.

"It's a board that constantly revolves in its membership," Falcon said. "No one is clear who is on this board because they're changing all the time.

"There's no ability to develop the skill-set or the understanding of major multi-billion projects," he said, "and that is what undercuts the public confidence in these decisions being made."

TransLink responded by saying in a news release that it has done a good job, but the transportation challenges of the region have dramatically increased.

"TransLink is a very different entity than when it was created," the statement said. "We have gone from a $550-million operation in 2000 to an $840-million operation in 2006, and from a tiny capital program to a $4-billion capital plan."

Reaction ranged from hope that the review would fix the problems -- especially lack of consistent funding -- that have plagued the agency, to angry accusations that Falcon created most of TransLink's problems.

The panel is to look into TransLink's governance structure, responsibilities and financing. It will include:

>>Grinnell, a former TransLink director who also studied TransLink's governance for the regional district.

>>Dan Doyle, an engineer, former deputy minister of transportation and now chairman of Rapid Transit 2000.

>>Wayne Duzita, a businessman, member of several airport-related councils and committees and co-chair of the Richmond Chamber of Commerce.

TransLink chairman, Richmond Mayor Malcolm Brodie, said the agency had "inherent difficulties" from its creation, but had "risen to the challenge."

Brodie said he hopes the review will lead to reform of how the TransLink board is appointed, including filling three board seats left vacant by the provincial government and making sure the agency has the funding it needs.

Falcon said he is convinced Translink needs a review after the "fiasco" of the RAV Line, now called the Canada Line.

"There was too much of an emphasis on what I call parochialism, or people focusing on issues that were specific to their particular municipal backyard," he said Wednesday.

"The taxpayers must have confidence that this is an organization that can withstand scrutiny and can make decisions in the best interests of the public."

He also said TransLink has enough financial resources, a comment that comes after a request from TransLink this week for a greater share of provincial fuel tax revenue and the parking space levy issue.

NDP transportation critic David Chudnovsky said Falcon is piqued at TransLink "because they at times disagree with him."

"My guess is he'll be moving towards something like the port or the airport or the health regions, some kind of board that's appointed by government."

Municipal voters have a right to expect important regional decisions to be made by locally elected people, "so they're accountable to the electorate," Chudnovsky said.

Regional district chairwoman Lois Jackson said responsibility for transportation planning should be shifted to the regional board, which includes representatives of all regional municipalities, while TransLink's smaller board has members from only a handful of municipalities. TransLink would remain as the agency for the region's policies.

Jackson has created a new GVRD land-use and transportation committee chaired by Burnaby Mayor Derek Corrigan, a former TransLink director and a frequent critic of the agency.

Corrigan said he has no confidence in the panel. He said he has always regarded TransLink as a way for the former NDP government to offload some of its responsibilities on the region.

However, the agency nevertheless developed "a good plan that supported the livable region strategy, until they imposed the RAV line on us." He said the province's insistence on the RAV line resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in debt for TransLink, which put it "in an incredibly difficult position."

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VANCOUVER | Public Transport

Couple of random photos of Vancouvers Skytrain. Please post your own.























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Old March 13th, 2006, 06:01 AM   #851
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What the new Canada Line trains will look like:


Its route map from downtown to the airport and into richmond:
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Old March 13th, 2006, 06:34 AM   #852
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When is the YVR/Richmond line due to open?
The system has already come along way since I rode on it in 1999.
Does Canada feel like donating a network to Melbourne?

Will the Richmond line use overhead wires, or third rail like the Millenium and Expo lines?

Are there any long term plans to exten the Millenium line from VCC/Clark to UBC??

Does anyone have pictures of Commercial Drive/Broadway station?
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Old March 13th, 2006, 07:05 AM   #853
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^ Canada Line is expected to open November of 2009. Just before the olympic games in Febuary 2010.

Technology: Automated Light Metro System
Length of Line: approx. 19 km
No. of Stations (2009): 16
Estimated Daily Riders (2010): approx. 100,000
Water Crossings: 2 bridges; 1 tunnel
Equivalent Road Capacity: 10 major lanes
Project Cost: $1.9 billion ($2003)
Project Partner:
• Fixed-price, date-certain contract awarded to InTransitBC for the design,
construction, operations, maintenance and partial fi nancing of the Line.
Journey Time:
• From Downtown Vancouver to Vancouver International Airport – 25 minutes*
• From Downtown Vancouver to Richmond City Centre – 25 minutes*
Train Frequency at Peak Hours and Midday:
• Every six minutes* between Waterfront to Richmond City Centre
• Every six minutes* between Waterfront to Vancouver International Airport
• Combined service every three minutes* between Waterfront to Bridgeport Station.

And the millenium line will be extended along broadway to as far as Granville for sure, hopefuly arbutus where it will terminate. (the connection to arbutus would make sense if the proposal for the arbutus corridor streetcar was approved.) From there, plans for either electric articulated buses or LRT, (light rail train) will complete the circuit to ubc. The skytrain would be to expensive to continue onwards to UBC.
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A lot will be happening at the Broadway/Commercial Station over the next 12 months:


BROADWAY STATION
- Replace metal screens and construct new dumpster enclosure
- Relocate elevator to south end of station
- Open a new 10th Ave entrance to the south with a new circulation stair
- Create a new bicycle storage facility (Bike Station)
- Remove 2 bays of east station wall at platform level
- Cover the underside of the passarelle
- Widen existing passarelle (pedetrian bridge over Broadway)
- Upgrade existing roof with skylights to encourage daylighting
- Replace existing roof structure with new canopy design
- Improve area wayfinding, signage and lighting
- Community Safety Office

For more details and diagrams: http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/pdf..._Materials.pdf

Construction begins Summer 2006 and ends Spring 2007.
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^Sounds great. I use commercial station all the time. Cant wait to see the finished product.
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Old March 13th, 2006, 09:54 AM   #858
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i always take skytrain from that station,,, but i dont really like the druggies there... scares me sometimes eventhough im a guy... and bus frequency is the major problem... its either long waits or 2 / 3 buses coming all at once
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Old March 13th, 2006, 03:27 PM   #859
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A lot will be happening at the Broadway/Commercial Station over the next 12 months:


BROADWAY STATION
- Replace metal screens and construct new dumpster enclosure
- Relocate elevator to south end of station
- Open a new 10th Ave entrance to the south with a new circulation stair
- Create a new bicycle storage facility (Bike Station)
- Remove 2 bays of east station wall at platform level
- Cover the underside of the passarelle
- Widen existing passarelle (pedetrian bridge over Broadway)
- Upgrade existing roof with skylights to encourage daylighting
- Replace existing roof structure with new canopy design
- Improve area wayfinding, signage and lighting
- Community Safety Office

For more details and diagrams: http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/pdf..._Materials.pdf

Construction begins Summer 2006 and ends Spring 2007.
Does anyone know when the entire master plan with the relocation of Safeway will be completed, it doesn't really say in that pdf.

And its also about time they improved that station, they should have really implemented a lot of the things when they built the M-Line and integrated everything properly.
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They should also add some Transit oriented development around the station considering it is a hub.
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