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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:21 AM   #881
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Passenger security?

I like the Vancouver skytrain's system. It seems kind of well planned and thought out. Its just a pity that the Canada line will not run on the same technology as the rest of the line. As for the Evergreen line, well, they should've made it a skytrain line too.

I noticed that some of the MKI trains run with the emergeny door in front while others at the place where ther cars are "married" or coupled.

One question though, will the MKI cars be phased out? And how long have they been in operation for?
They were afraid people would hijack the cockpit and take over the train?


The Canada Line isn't the same technology because it would cost a considerable amount and we don't have that extra money to make it the same technology. Bombardier, which makes SkyTrain, did submit a bid but rumours were that it costed $2.4 billion (nearly a billion overbudget) as suppose to SNC Lavalin's $1.7 billion. Not to mention that the Canada Line trains wouldn't be comptatible on SkyTrain, since Canada Line trains will be 3 metres wide and the Mark II trains are 2.2 metres wide.....so there wouldn't be any point to make it SkyTrain, except the fact that it would be five minutes faster (20 minutes suppose to 26 minutes).


The Mark I train has already been phased out. Bombardier isn't making them anymore because it's expensive to make.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:27 AM   #882
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as for the canada line..... is most likely the first type of public transportation that tourists from the airport will go on, and it might make them more safe...
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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:35 AM   #883
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as for the canada line..... is most likely the first type of public transportation that tourists from the airport will go on, and it might make them more safe...
Well I'm sure it'll make residents and tourists lifes easier. When i take the 98 B-Line (a rapid bus line to the airport that would be replaced with the Canada Line), it's a long wait at the airport for the bus at the crowded airport station and often the buses are jammed pack.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:40 AM   #884
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SkyTrain stations to get televisions
By Jeff Nagel


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Oct 21 2005

TV screens carrying information and advertising will be coming to select SkyTrain stations by spring.

Lamar Transit Advertising will install 40-inch LCD video monitors at downtown stations by March 2006, said general manager Byron Montgomery.

They'll initially go in at the SkyTrain platforms at Granville and Waterfront and the downtown SeaBus station.

"Our goal is to one day have this in every SkyTrain station in the line," Montgomery said. "This is the first baby step."

The TVs will carry news, weather, sports, and financial information, along with messages and programming from TransLink - and advertising from Lamar's clients.

A deluxe version will be installed at Burrard station, where waiting commuters will watch a giant video wall comprised of a 12-foot-square matrix of 50-inch screens.

"It's going to be absolutely phenomenal," Montgomery said. "We're going to tile them - they're going to be big, beautiful, bright and state-of-the-art."

The new era of video transit advertising is just one component of an investment of at least $1.5 million over the next three years in new technology by Lamar, he said.

A series of new tactics are expected to shower commuters with advertising and put more money in TransLink's coffers.

Lamar was chosen last spring to continue as TransLink's exclusive advertising agent for up to 15 years in a deal estimated to be worth at least $135 million to the region's transportation authority.

Other changes coming include:

SkyTrain car floor graphics - one of the first examples installed on Millennium line cars is a Monopoly-themed floor ad for McDonalds.

Backlit scrolling posters will be added at 16 SkyTrain stations including Surrey Central, Metrotown, New Westminster and Lougheed.

Backlit signs near the entrances and exits to SkyTrain stations.

More wall and floor advertising in corridors at stations.

TV screens on SkyTrain cars are still under consideration, but Montgomery said the technology is more complex and costly. Firms elsewhere have lost money on subway televisions, he said, so Lamar will proceed with caution.

"Advertisers want to get people while they wait in the station," he said.

Another option being studied is tunnel advertising - advertisements in the walls viewed from a moving SkyTrain would appear to move like a giant flip-book.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:05 AM   #885
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SkyTrain stations to get televisions
By Jeff Nagel


Black Press
Oct 21 2005

TV screens carrying information and advertising will be coming to select SkyTrain stations by spring.

Lamar Transit Advertising will install 40-inch LCD video monitors at downtown stations by March 2006, said general manager Byron Montgomery.

They'll initially go in at the SkyTrain platforms at Granville and Waterfront and the downtown SeaBus station.

"Our goal is to one day have this in every SkyTrain station in the line," Montgomery said. "This is the first baby step."

The TVs will carry news, weather, sports, and financial information, along with messages and programming from TransLink - and advertising from Lamar's clients.

A deluxe version will be installed at Burrard station, where waiting commuters will watch a giant video wall comprised of a 12-foot-square matrix of 50-inch screens.

"It's going to be absolutely phenomenal," Montgomery said. "We're going to tile them - they're going to be big, beautiful, bright and state-of-the-art."

The new era of video transit advertising is just one component of an investment of at least $1.5 million over the next three years in new technology by Lamar, he said.

A series of new tactics are expected to shower commuters with advertising and put more money in TransLink's coffers.

Lamar was chosen last spring to continue as TransLink's exclusive advertising agent for up to 15 years in a deal estimated to be worth at least $135 million to the region's transportation authority.

Other changes coming include:

SkyTrain car floor graphics - one of the first examples installed on Millennium line cars is a Monopoly-themed floor ad for McDonalds.

Backlit scrolling posters will be added at 16 SkyTrain stations including Surrey Central, Metrotown, New Westminster and Lougheed.

Backlit signs near the entrances and exits to SkyTrain stations.

More wall and floor advertising in corridors at stations.

TV screens on SkyTrain cars are still under consideration, but Montgomery said the technology is more complex and costly. Firms elsewhere have lost money on subway televisions, he said, so Lamar will proceed with caution.

"Advertisers want to get people while they wait in the station," he said.

Another option being studied is tunnel advertising - advertisements in the walls viewed from a moving SkyTrain would appear to move like a giant flip-book.
arent they afraid of those television screen being stolen??
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #886
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^ lol, i doubt it. but vandalised? yes.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:49 AM   #887
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They were afraid people would hijack the cockpit and take over the train?

Not to mention that the Canada Line trains wouldn't be comptatible on SkyTrain, since Canada Line trains will be 3 metres wide and the Mark II trains are 2.2 metres wide.....so there wouldn't be any point to make it SkyTrain, except the fact that it would be five minutes faster (20 minutes suppose to 26 minutes).

The Mark I train has already been phased out. Bombardier isn't making them anymore because it's expensive to make.
I was thinking more along the lines that people were insecure without drivers to monitor the trains.

Are the Canada Line trains larger than the current MKII to deal with the airport passengers? I suppose they'll be of the same 2-car formation then?

I see. So then the MKIs will slowly be replaced by the newer MKII models? I guess there aren't any plans for MKIII models then eh?

Hopefully, within a year or 2 I can see this system for myself.
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The Canada Line trains will be in the same 2-car formation, with a connection between cars. They are significantly larger than the Mark II. Canada Line 2-car (42 metres in length and 3 metres wide, capacity of 334 persons). Mark II 2-car (36 metres in length and 2.2 metres wide, capacity of 230 persons).

Some Mark II's actually go on a 4-car formation; they join two pair of cars together. Translink still has yet to order the C-car (the car that goes in between the head and front of the Mark II trains), I'm not sure if they're going to order this.....probably unlikely.

Note that on the Expo Line, the platform capacity is six Mark I cars or five Mark II cars, but since it's currently impossible to have a five Mark II car formation.....we're done to four. The Expo platforms can be expanded to handle eight Mark I cars, which should be equivalent to six or seven Mark II cars.

You could have pretty long Mark II trains that are connected to each other if you have the C-car: A-C-C-C-C-B

Depending if Bombardier wants to continue developing the Mark series, maybe in 10-20 years we'll have a Mark III.

Right now, Translink has a order for 42 Mark II trains at a cost of $153 million....to be delivered by 2008 I believe.


Mark II at Expo Line's Waterfront Station



Mark II at the SkyTrain factory in Burnaby



Mark II leaving Expo Line's Main Street/Science World Station



Mark II at M-Line's Commercial Station



Mark II at Expo Line's Stadium/Chinatown Station



Mark II interior. I still think this was the wrong seating arrangement....a side-by-side tranverse configuration would have meant less seats but it would also mean much more standing capacity and therefore significantly more overall car capacity. These trains are really really packed during rush hour.



Mark II at M-Line's Rupert Station
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Right. I was wondering if it were possible to have a system longer than 2 MKII cars with inter-car connections. KL has a similar system going.

So the MKIIs are capable of 4 car formations then. There were some rumours that the system di not handle well. Thanks for the information!
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^ last post has been updated.

What do you mean rumours "on the system did not handle well"?
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LCD tv on a train in Berlin:



LCD tv at a Korean subway station:
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I heard there being mention that MKIIs didn't operate well in a A-C-C-B mode. But I doubt that's true. It is true that the longitudinal seating allows for more standing space.
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Does anyone has a route map which tells us the attractions of the city so that i can use skytrain from the airport to the city and explore the city by skytrain when i visit there? Thank you.
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The Canada line which goes to the airport is still under construction. You wouldn't be able to take it from the airport...

Try Stanely Park (I only know that place since my cousin lives next to it). Not too sure what station is best, but I think you need to take a bus from one of the stations.
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Its wierd because, at the other end of the cars are the two black panels/windows??
Detroit and Toronto have the trains the "right" way around.

It depends when they bought the 2-car units. Some don't have door, and others do. Since they just back up when they reach the end of the line (Waterfront/VCC/King George), they just reverse and go "backwards." None have the Windows though.
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In the following picture, the driver can clearly been seen through the window of the Toronto train:



The "window" of the other side of the front of the train appears to be just black paint. The trains are automated. Similar trains in Vancouver and Detroit are driverless, so they don't need windows in the ends. I am not sure of the reasons that drivers are provided onboard the Toronto trains.

For more information, see the following websites:

http://world.nycsubway.org/canada/to...arborough.html

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/toro/toronto.htm

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5107.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough_RT_(TTC)
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The Canada Line trains will be in the same 2-car formation, with a connection between cars. They are significantly larger than the Mark II. Canada Line 2-car (42 metres in length and 3 metres wide, capacity of 334 persons). Mark II 2-car (36 metres in length and 2.2 metres wide, capacity of 230 persons).

Some Mark II's actually go on a 4-car formation; they join two pair of cars together. Translink still has yet to order the C-car (the car that goes in between the head and front of the Mark II trains), I'm not sure if they're going to order this.....probably unlikely.

Note that on the Expo Line, the platform capacity is six Mark I cars or five Mark II cars, but since it's currently impossible to have a five Mark II car formation.....we're done to four. The Expo platforms can be expanded to handle eight Mark I cars, which should be equivalent to six or seven Mark II cars.

You could have pretty long Mark II trains that are connected to each other if you have the C-car: A-C-C-C-C-B

Depending if Bombardier wants to continue developing the Mark series, maybe in 10-20 years we'll have a Mark III.

Right now, Translink has a order for 42 Mark II trains at a cost of $153 million....to be delivered by 2008 I believe.


Mark II at Expo Line's Waterfront Station



Mark II at the SkyTrain factory in Burnaby



Mark II leaving Expo Line's Main Street/Science World Station



Mark II at M-Line's Commercial Station



Mark II at Expo Line's Stadium/Chinatown Station



Mark II interior. I still think this was the wrong seating arrangement....a side-by-side tranverse configuration would have meant less seats but it would also mean much more standing capacity and therefore significantly more overall car capacity. These trains are really really packed during rush hour.



Mark II at M-Line's Rupert Station
well i wished they could have more standing space than sitting space, these trains are fast and many people can stand, they should be like hk's MTR sys where there are only seats along time sides
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well i wished they could have more standing space than sitting space, these trains are fast and many people can stand, they should be like hk's MTR sys where there are only seats along time sides
I agree. It's the one thing that pisses me off about Translink. It's like they built the trains for tourists and not commuters. Mickey Mouse and not too forward looking on their part which is not surprising.

Here is a proper use of seating. Piccadilly Line.
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I'm not too sure about the SkyTrain's usage, but I know that the Kelana Jaya line in KL which also uses Bombardier MKII cars is currently 40% over capacity with side seating.

The Piccadilly standing space looks a bit narrow too. So, maybe a better comparisson would be KL's MKII to Vancouver's MKII?

Kuala Lumpur's Kelana Jaya line:


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^ is it possible to take the seats out and re-do the seating configuration? it would be a small cost to increase train passenger capacity significantly.
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