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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:05 AM   #901
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^That's what I was thinking to. But has Translink even thought of this yet is the question, or do they even care? When they came out with the Millenium Line my brother and I were convinced it would be side-by-side tranverse seating, yet we are still baffled as to why that wasn't the case.

mrtfreak- "So, maybe a better comparisson would be KL's MKII to Vancouver's MKII?"

That is a much better comparison. KL has the right idea.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:35 AM   #902
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im also concerned of security because as what hk has in each station is a information centre with someone that could help you can sell you faresaver tickets and stuff. but in vancouver, its only druggies and all those people that are not appropiate to be there are there. and also they should have the a ticket box to check fares before entering the stations as if like "paid areas" and "unpaid" areas". I want it because it makes me feel unfair when people that dont pay can get on the trains
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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:45 AM   #903
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^ is it possible to take the seats out and re-do the seating configuration? it would be a small cost to increase train passenger capacity significantly.
Depends if the trains were built modullarly. I would think it is possible. The metro where I stay configures seating from time to time, removing seating and adding it back. I would think there need to be a brace to hold the seats up though, along the wall of the car.

The side by side seating you refer to would be more efficient for passenger loads wouldn't it? Why not suggest it to TransLink as I'm sure a lot of companies involved in public transportation are out to look at efficiency which would translate to profits... If not, a petition?

Overground, I think if it were a dense area, the KL seating arrangement should be incorporated. But if it were less dense, probably the Vancouver one would be better. How bad is the congestion on the trains?
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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:53 AM   #904
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Depends if the trains were built modullarly. I would think it is possible. The metro where I stay configures seating from time to time, removing seating and adding it back. I would think there need to be a brace to hold the seats up though, along the wall of the car.

The side by side seating you refer to would be more efficient for passenger loads wouldn't it? Why not suggest it to TransLink as I'm sure a lot of companies involved in public transportation are out to look at efficiency which would translate to profits... If not, a petition?

Overground, I think if it were a dense area, the KL seating arrangement should be incorporated. But if it were less dense, probably the Vancouver one would be better. How bad is the congestion on the trains?

Well im a student so i dont go to work, but when i go to the mall, i try my best to skip the rush hour... cuz... the skytrains are like trying to shove everythin into your luggage... when the doors open, you squish as many you you guys in as possible..
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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:55 AM   #905
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Police seek SkyTrain knifing suspect
Young victim 'lucky' to be alive after he was stabbed six times


The RCMP are seeking the public’s help in identifying the suspect (pictured in video above) in a stabbing and attempted robbery at the Lougheed SkyTrain station.


A Burnaby teen stabbed six times during a bloody robbery attempt outside the Lougheed SkyTrain station early yesterday "miraculously" survived -- and police are on the trail of a suspect.

In a bid to generate investigative leads, Burnaby Mounties have released surveillance-video footage of the suspect with a bleeding left hand fleeing the scene of the crime.

RCMP Cpl. Pierre Lemaitre said the incident began when a 15-year-old was approached by an 18-year-old who demanded cash at about 12:10 a.m.

The youngster was "non-compliant," Lemaitre said.

"He was confronted by this 18-year-old who wanted to rob him of his money," the officer said.

"Apparently, there wasn't too much of a time delay between the request for money and the time he was stabbed."

The victim was knifed six times -- three punctures to the right arm and slashes to his neck, clavicle and rib-cage areas.

"He was stabbed six times in the right side of his body," said Lemaitre. "Miraculously, apart from the arm, the other three injuries were just lacerations, they weren't punctures.

"It could have been a lot worse. He's very lucky -- with the ribs you could get into the lungs, and with the neck you have the jugular [vein]."

The victim was released from hospital after several hours.

The suspect, who police believe was left-handed, was captured on video fleeing the scene on foot. Police believe the suspect was cut on the left hand during the attack.

"The other clue for the amateur sleuth is [that] we are fairly certain the fellow has some type of cut to the left hand that is dominant. We were able to see a blood trail or blood going away from the scene."

A police dog was brought in to do a search but because the scene of the crime is a busy, urban setting it was unable to conduct a track.

Outside the Lougheed Town Centre SkyTrain station yesterday, passengers were stunned at news of the vicious stabbing.

"I take [the SkyTrain] every day to school," said Danielle Kugi. "I've never heard of anything like that in this area.

"There are always SkyTrain officers above and below," the 17-year-old said, explaining she had always felt safe at the station.

But other passengers had a different take on security near the station.

"I see teenagers dealing drugs and people drinking here all the time," said Dennis Leonovich.

"I feel unsafe because the teenagers, they have weapons and stuff."

Leonovich has reason to be concerned about SkyTrain crime. Just a few months ago, he said, he was robbed of his wallet and jacket at a station in New Westminster.

Community crime-watch group members said SkyTrain stations -- especially those at the "end of the line" of each region -- are magnets for crime, but suggested that additional volunteer patrols could help.

"We like to keep the eyes and ears on the street. In the past it has worked," said Don Violette, past-president of the Burquitlam Community Association.

The association helps staff the Burquitlam Plaza Community Policing Station, up the road from Lougheed Mall and SkyTrain.

Violette said the area has seen a marked decrease in crime, loitering and auto theft as citizen volunteers have helped keep the community station open longer hours and bike patrols going later on Friday and Saturday nights, often up to 9 p.m.

The suspect is described as Caucasian, 18, with a medium build and shaved head and wearing a dark, two-tone puffy jacket and blue jogging pants with white stripes.

Police are also trying to contact a woman who may have been in the area at the time of the attack but is not believed associated with the suspect.

She is described as having long, dark hair and was wearing a three-quarter-length coat.

If you can help, call Burnaby RCMP at 604-294-7922 or CrimeStoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:59 AM   #906
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Vancouver Bus Drivers, >=(

What are the things you hate about vancouver bus drivers??

well i can tell you some..

1) When youre chasing the bus, and the bus is sitting there, dont think it will wait for you >=) when you get near the door, SLAM goes the door and the bus runs off.

2) Skipping stops

3) Ignoring Passengers

4) Not opening back doors

5) Late

6) acting sooo B*tchyy asks you to buy a new ticket when it only has expired by a few minutes

7) Rude

8) Not wearing seatbelts

9) Switching lanes quickly, make me feel unsafe

10) fast stops, always dumps people forward

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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:44 AM   #907
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Overground, I think if it were a dense area, the KL seating arrangement should be incorporated. But if it were less dense, probably the Vancouver one would be better. How bad is the congestion on the trains?
Well over the years it has got extremely packed on the Expo Line. I don't use it to go to work anymore but I have been on it in rush hour and it can be similar to a packed train in Tokyo or when heaps of people board the Tube at a busy station like Victoria in London. Removing the current seating arrangement to make more standing room would be a huge improvement.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:52 AM   #908
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^ really? i'm taking the bus a few times weekly and i think they're actually nice, polite, and informative. even the drivers on the small routes announce major intersection stops. my tickets always expire by a few minutes and they ALWAYS let me on the bus.

the only thing that boggles me is how late they can be sometimes.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 07:17 AM   #909
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Never had a major problem with a bus driver, only once with a Skytrain officer.

I find drivers of the Vancouver city routes, especially downtown, to be friendly and interesting in general. Suburban routes seem so different though. Very few of those drivers announce stops, and they generally don't seem as warm to customers.
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I think you'd get some fierce opposition from seniors if Translink started taking out seats. There's still room for many more cars on the line, so that might be the easiest thing to do for now. Translink could also buy some C-cars with transverse seating or no seats at all, since it might be better to have more people in the middle of the train, anyway.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 07:35 AM   #911
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well im not saying ALL bus drivers are like that but then SOME and theyre mostly the FIRST point
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Old March 20th, 2006, 07:46 AM   #912
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^ what about senior designated seating like on the buses?
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Old March 20th, 2006, 08:01 AM   #913
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^ even if there were designated seats for seniors, theyre not usually enough avaliable OR is not even avaliable for them because of younger people hogging the space
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I think you'd get some fierce opposition from seniors if Translink started taking out seats. There's still room for many more cars on the line, so that might be the easiest thing to do for now. Translink could also buy some C-cars with transverse seating or no seats at all, since it might be better to have more people in the middle of the train, anyway.
Would this not be a more expensive option? I'm sure the cost of producing a car and its associated components by far exceeds the cost of replacing a few seats. With the car, you need wiring and sensors, climate control and all the subsystems for powering. But if the system is in need of a rolling stock upgrade, this may be feasible.

I'm imagining the Sky Train to be a popular mode of transportation in Vancouver. The situation with KL's MKIIs is that although they have transverse seating, with 35 trains of 2 cars on a 29km line, its pretty congested. The KL system would have more standing space for sure, but even so, they're going over capacity.

For Vancouver, transverse seating might be a temporary solution. What about the Canada line? What type of seating would that be? Since the trains are wider, there would be more space for standing. Would they make it easy for passengers with luggage to come on board and keep their luggage is specified areas?
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^ Its certainly a temporary solution, and its worth it if it'll only cost a small fraction of what it would cost to order more trains.

I'd be shocked if they didn't make the Canada Line seats tranverse.
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They should increase frequency.
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^ The thing is most of the rolling stock is already in service.....what's left in the maintenance yard is for back ups in case trains break. There are 210 SkyTrain cars today, and Translink will order an additional 47 Mark II's by 2010.


Interesting. The Mark I cars can be coupled together with the Mark II cars.
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Would this not be a more expensive option?
Definitely... I think it's about $3 million each. But the seniors are tough customers!
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Interesting. The Mark I cars can be coupled together with the Mark II cars.
It already looks bad when they couple Mark I cars with different liveries. Coupling Mark I and Mark II cars together would be quite the sight!
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It already looks bad when they couple Mark I cars with different liveries. Coupling Mark I and Mark II cars together would be quite the sight!
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