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Old March 21st, 2006, 10:34 AM   #941
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Its hard to please everyone. Seems that the MKIs have a good solution then. Mixed seating

KL's MKIIs have the following seat arrangement (from front [driving panel] to the section with the adjoining vestibul):
6 seats on each wall - door - 4 seats each side - door - 4 seats each side - door - 3 seats each side

Doing the maths, that gives (6*2 + 4*2 + 4*2 + 3*2) 32 seats per car.

How many seats do the Sky Train MKIIs have?
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Old March 21st, 2006, 02:00 PM   #942
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SkyTrain goes high tech in luring tourists with headset walking tours

Bruce Constantineau, Vancouver Sun
Published: Tuesday, March 21, 2006

SkyTrain will brand itself as a must-see tourist attraction this spring by launching what's believed to be the world's first automated guided tour of a region that uses headsets on a public transit system, SkyTrain president Doug Kelsey said Monday.

Starting in May, tourists will pay an undetermined fee to rent headsets that can be worn to provide a guided commentary of their SkyTrain journey in six languages -- including English, French, Spanish and German. The new service will be called SkyTour.

So instead of a mind-numbing, half-hour SkyTrain ride from Vancouver to New Westminster, Kelsey said tourists will get a commentary filled with historical and cultural information and snippets like Mount Baker being an active volcano that was the snowiest place on earth in 1999.

"Just think of all the factoids that come out of this region," he said in an interview. "We've never packaged it up like this before."

Global-positioning-system technology will allow headset users to get off the SkyTrain and take guided walking tours of historic areas like New Westminster and Gastown.

"As far as we're aware, it's the first public-transit product of its kind anywhere in the world," Kelsey said. "Nothing can duplicate what we'll offer because we're above the treeline, travel at high speed and cover the entire region."

The SkyTrain system carries about 70 million passengers a year and Kelsey said that during the summer, tourists make up from 16 to 20 per cent of riders. He feels those numbers can be boosted by attracting even more out-of-town riders during non-peak daytime hours when trains are not full.

Details of the new venture -- including the name of the company providing the new technology -- will be announced in May but Kelsey said SkyTrain faces little or no risk in the arrangement because its total upfront cost will be about $30,000. SkyTrain and the company will share revenues generated by the service and the company will handle the international marketing.

Kelsey said SkyTrain will be the first phase of the new tourism product, which can be expanded to other Greater Vancouver transit services and feature other guided walking tours like Stanley Park and Grouse Mountain.

He said SkyTour will only feature interesting parts of the Lower Mainland that give tourists a "wow" impact.

"If there's no 'wow' to what they're seeing, it won't work," Kelsey said. "Tourists want a show, not a transit experience. This will be an entertainment experience."

New Westminster Mayor Wayne Wright said Westminster Quay and the waterfront walk along the Fraser River will be featured in the first year of SkyTour and hopes other parts of the city will be included in the future.

"They'll see the old and the new of New Westminster," Wright said. "They'll see where the salmon runs came and where the big log booms are still going."

Kelsey said he wants to make a SkyTrain ride an "experience" for out-of-town visitors, in the same way that Starbucks made coffee-drinking an experience for its customers.

"I believe you can move transit from being just a ride to being more of an experience that tells the region's story and makes money," he said. " ... If you have visitors, what a great way to drop them off for the day and leave them in a protected environment, to be told the official regional story of Greater Vancouver."

Kelsey feels there's an untapped market of potential customers in tour groups who bring visitors to Vancouver for brief visits, noting he knows of one Asian tour operator that brought 140,000 people to the city last year for just one night.

"They didn't stay here because no one appealed to them with anything like this," Kelsey said.

Stephen Regan, manager of destination development for Tourism Vancouver, said it makes sense for Greater Vancouver transit services to become more tourism-friendly because so many tourists use them, especially in the summer.

"Many of our visitors expect to be able to navigate at least part of the region on public transit," he said. "Our big advantage is that the SkyTrain line and SeaBus are attractions in themselves."

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Old March 22nd, 2006, 02:23 AM   #943
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I disagree, especially with the first 4. Maybe its just me, but i always see the bus driver stopping for late passengers. When they see someone running, they stop and let them in. And they open the back doors when there are lots of passengers lined up in UBC, most of the time. As for them being rude, many of them are very nice actually. They are informative and helpful. I've only encountered maybe one driver that was quite rude.

The only problem i agree with is #5. I've been late to class in several occasions because of a late bus. And yeah, the ticket machines are slow. I havent experienced having a problem with the time-limited tickets because i have a U-PASS
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 05:20 AM   #944
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I only take the B-Line, so I usually just hop in the back (so I don't even see the driver, as I have a monthly pass). Sometimes they won't open the back doors at Commercial if they don't feel like it, but thats extremely rare.
I didn't think you were allowed to get on the bus via the back door. I've seen people do it, but I think they were after a free ride.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 05:45 AM   #945
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^ At Commercial Station, the 99 B-Line is an all door boarding.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 06:34 AM   #946
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lol..
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 06:59 AM   #947
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NOT SHOWING UP (making me a half hour late)
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:01 AM   #948
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^ At Commercial Station, the 99 B-Line is an all door boarding.
Just Commercial eh? Interesting.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:16 AM   #949
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Just Commercial eh? Interesting.
Well, it's by far the busiest and most congested transit station. 50,000 people board/exit from Expo's Broadway Station and nearly 30,000 board/exist from Millennium's Commercial Station.......daily.

A huge fraction of these commuters then transfer onto the 99 B-Line to UBC. To be exact, more than 15,000 commuters hopping onto the 99 B-Line Westbound at Commercial. To put that into perspective, it would equivalate to 625 passengers/hour. During rush hour, there are as many as 80 people waiting to get onto the bus all at once.
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Yea, I know all about the crowds there. It's a major bottle neck, a nightmare. So I guess all those people at other bus stops sneaking in the back are in fact free riding.
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And i guess they just assume that most passengers are UBC students with a U-PASS. It speeds things up.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:29 AM   #952
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^ Perhaps. LOL, and now they've got this huge frickin ass sign that says "ALL DOOR BOARDING AT 99 B-LINE ONLY AT COMMERCIAL STATION". You can't miss it.


A lot will be happening at the Broadway/Commercial Station over the next 12 months:

BROADWAY/COMMERCIAL STATION
- Replacement of metal screens and construction of new glass enclosure
- Relocation of Broadway Station elevator to south end of station
- Opening a new 10th Avenue Broadway Station entrance to the south with a new escalator and staircase
- Creation of a new bicycle storage facility (Bike Station)
- Removal of 2 bays of east station wall at platform level (Broadway Station)
- Covering the underside of the passarelle
- Widen existing passarelle (pedetrian bridge over Broadway Street)
- Upgrading existing roof with skylights to encourage daylighting (Broadway Station)
- Replace existing roof structure with new canopy design (Broadway Station)
- Improve area wayfinding, signage and lighting. Signs will incorporate art.
- construction of a Community Safety Office
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They also have all doors boarding at UBC loop, Production way Skytrain STN (for SFU students).
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i have a question,

do they still have that Family Day Program for Sundays and holidays.
It is where if you hold an adult mothly pass, can bring along with you one adult and 4 children with you.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:25 AM   #955
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Yes, although they don't advertise it anymore.
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As well as the SFU loop. However, since there is a large number of construction workers trying to get in the back recently, they will not open the door if they see them lining up to get in the back.
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Yes, it lasts 90 minutes and you can take any transit services (except the Westcoast Express) in that zone. The fare system used is just a disposable paper card with a magnetic strip.
FYI: I remember the tickets used to be valid for 120 minutes when I was a kid...(maybe more than 5 years ago)...

this is probably off topic but...the 90 minutes we have right now is probably not enough to complete some 3 zone trips from the suburbs...
they should have something like this: 60 minutes for a 1 zone ticket, 90 minutes for 2 zones and 120 minutes for 3 zones.......i think it makes a lot more sense...

oh by the way, one more BUS DRIVER NUISANCE: I've had instances where I paid for a 3 zone ticket and not realising the driver only printed me a 1 zone ticket when I had to transfer...unbelievable
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Well, it's by far the busiest and most congested transit station. 50,000 people board/exit from Expo's Broadway Station and nearly 30,000 board/exist from Millennium's Commercial Station.......daily.

A huge fraction of these commuters then transfer onto the 99 B-Line to UBC. To be exact, more than 15,000 commuters hopping onto the 99 B-Line Westbound at Commercial. To put that into perspective, it would equivalate to 625 passengers/hour. During rush hour, there are as many as 80 people waiting to get onto the bus all at once.
Could I ask where do you get all these statistics? I am interested. (By the way, from personal experiences...its probably more like 200 people waiting in the 3 line ups for the 99B)
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FYI: I remember the tickets used to be valid for 120 minutes when I was a kid...(maybe more than 5 years ago)...

this is probably off topic but...the 90 minutes we have right now is probably not enough to complete some 3 zone trips from the suburbs...
they should have something like this: 60 minutes for a 1 zone ticket, 90 minutes for 2 zones and 120 minutes for 3 zones.......i think it makes a lot more sense...

oh by the way, one more BUS DRIVER NUISANCE: I've had instances where I paid for a 3 zone ticket and not realising the driver only printed me a 1 zone ticket when I had to transfer...unbelievable

i dont agree with this because everyone will know buying a 3 zone ticket is a better deal and then the one zone and two zone will not exist anymore. when they had the old ticket system, i used to do like add fare and get a new ticket and have another expiry time for an extra 50 cents.. so i dont it this will work
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Vancouver 99B Discussion: Overcapacity & Train Extension?

Some comments I would like to make about the 99B line in Vancouver.

2-3 minutes rush hour service is good...but...is it possible (or safe) to run buses that frequently? I have seen literally 5 articulated buses lined up one after another running down Broadway...a 99B jamming the intersection because there is another one that hasnt left the stop in front of it...The situtation now is dangerous...putting vehicles on the road, pedestrians, and bus riders at risk.

In my opinion, I think a bus line operating at that frequency...(and still congested...not to mention the line ups of frustrated commuters who often can't board the bus at Main / Cambie / Granville because it is full)...should become a train / subway / skytrain line (isn't that the ultimate goal of any B-Line??).

I know there are plans for skytrain extension to UBC but it is unknown how many more years commuters in the Lower Mainland willl have to wait before even consultation will begin...5 years? 10? 15? Even if the line is not extended all the way to UBC immediately, it should at the very least be built up to Cambie Street from VCC so it users can transfer to the RAV Line.

Why is this being held back? I am not sure about this but, is 99B the first B Line to be in operation? Why is 99B still a bus line when 98B is already under construction and 97B to begin very soon?

As a regular user of the 99B line, I can tell you that 99B is already over capacity. And I believe public consultation should begin now to have such a line completed ASAP.
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