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Old June 10th, 2005, 05:09 AM   #81
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You buid for tommorrow but also tommorrows ridership. Point of fact is that Vancouver and Richmond are growing SLOWER than the regional average at about 0.8%/year. Hardly stellar.
Toronto's 6km of new Sheppard subway carries more than the 28kmRAV line is expected to by 2015.
Modern LRT could work well, CTrain is testimate to that and some sections including downtown to 25th could be underground but after that ROW streetlevel.
SkyTrain, despite serving a much larger population and length carries the same number of passengers as CTrain but has cost QUADRUPLE the price. Most cities would have learn't their lesson but obviously not Vancouver.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 05:19 AM   #82
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Yes, but it is a hybrid commuter line. You can't compare it to an inner city subway. Compare it to GO, but just a better frequency (even though there is a proposal to drasically improve almost subway like frequencies on the lakeshore GO lines).
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Old June 10th, 2005, 06:24 AM   #83
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Yes but a GO line doesn't cost $1.74bil
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Old June 10th, 2005, 06:58 AM   #84
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Am I the only person here who finds this appalling?

It almost looks as if Vancouver has decided to use the most expenisive form of public transit with the exception of subways.
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You are not the only one who thinks this is appalling, this is much too expensive and I think that Vancouver/Ricmond should upgrade Cambie and put the RAV in the median, not only would they save a pile of money they would also have a better road.
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Old June 10th, 2005, 07:12 AM   #86
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^ Don't even get me started on appaling. RAV is absolutely despicable and I would like to point out that Translink was practically coerced into accepting this project by the BC Provincial government, namely that childish Minister of Transportation, Kevin Falcon, who threatened Northeast municipalities that they will never get their measely provincial contribution for their LRT and the stall tax for their bridge unless they approve RAV.

Supporters of RAV only do so because they want a toy train to showcase on the Olympics. Its not about planning or doing what is right. And frankly, I don't know how a light metro that goes underground, denying its riders a view of beautiful mansions is "showcasing" the city. Of course, those creme de la creme are the sole reason why RAV does not make sense. Instead of having a homogenous Skytrain - that is a train high above their homes - we have a $1.7 billion white elephant that will SUCK the life out of Greater Vancouver taxpayers for decades to come.

I'm glad I am no longer a taxpayer and resident of the Greater Vancouver Regional District. The politics are a joke and it goes beyond logic and reasoning how decisions are made there. Totally appalling indeed!
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Old June 10th, 2005, 08:09 AM   #87
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Glad to know I'm not alone.
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Yes but a GO line doesn't cost $1.74bil
If you had to start from scratch, it would be expensive.
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Sorry, back on topic.

@homer - I don't think is this is entirely a waste of money. What are the alternatives, a slower LRT system thats at street grade?

"Supporters of RAV only do so because they want a toy train to showcase on the Olympics."

But isn't such lines showcase a region's propsperity? Theres an expo line, and now an olympic line. I don't think it will be a toy line in say 30 years.

Would you rather have the line then say the alternative with the money, which would most likely be nothing.
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^I agree that an at grade LRT is not the right solution but I'm sure an LRT based solution would be cheaper and just as effective.
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Having police on the subway is obscene.
Why don't they use those police for where they are needed............the city streets.
Because without turnstiles, the trains are a very convenient free getaway vehicle for criminals. Most property crimes in the GVRD are committed within a few blocks of Skytrain stations.
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You are not the only one who thinks this is appalling, this is much too expensive and I think that Vancouver/Ricmond should upgrade Cambie and put the RAV in the median, not only would they save a pile of money they would also have a better road.
I totally agree. Cambie south of QE Park has a huge median. There's no excuse for not using some of that space for the RAV Line if it's going in that same direction.
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It shoul be an LRT system. It could be underground til KingEd as it is very congested but after that it should be atgrade using the Cambie Boulevard. There is lots of space. The idea of building 70 blocks underground in a low density area is absurd. LRT would be just as fast and could also save money but upgrading the Fraser River Rail Bridge.
If they had planned it should just go down arbutus for a quater of the price and still be near VCH and much closer to UBC and also useful for 4th Kits area residents and FalseCreek and GranvilleIsland.
The 4th and Broadway areas near Arbutus are hi density unlike Cambie. It would also be faster to the airport.
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It shoul be an LRT system. It could be underground til KingEd as it is very congested but after that it should be atgrade using the Cambie Boulevard. There is lots of space. The idea of building 70 blocks underground in a low density area is absurd. LRT would be just as fast and could also save money but upgrading the Fraser River Rail Bridge.
If they had planned it should just go down arbutus for a quater of the price and still be near VCH and much closer to UBC and also useful for 4th Kits area residents and FalseCreek and GranvilleIsland.
The 4th and Broadway areas near Arbutus are hi density unlike Cambie. It would also be faster to the airport.
They wanted to use the median, but the residents there said that the median is part of the "Historic" Boulevard which must never be touched, then Translink said underground and everyone is happy again (that is other than the cost)
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Everyone happy?.......not the taxpayers.
Translink and the GVRD had it cooked from the start. They demanded that whatever route it took it must be automated. That cut out any atgrade or LRT system. What other system is driverless except SkyTrain???
The feds had already committedf $350mil as had the province {later to rise to $450} and with the airport funding their spurt line and private sector money then there it was.
Despit Translink stating they were open to all technology and systems by putting down the requirement of a driverless system means it had to be SkyTrain.
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You can name new LRT line

By Janis Cleugh
The Tri-City News
Jun 11 2005

Want to ride the Golden Spike Line? How about the Terry Fox Train?

TransLink is looking for a catchy name for the planned Coquitlam-Port Moody rapid transit alignment and is offering prizes to the winner of the naming contest.

Spokesperson Ken Hardie said the regional transportation body is looking for a moniker that would reflect the spirit of the community.

"We need to, as much as possible, build it into the local personality," he said. The purpose of naming the line serves to locate the rapid transit service, just as the Expo line, the Millennium line and the RAV (soon to be "Canada" line) do, Hardie said.

The contest, which is open to Tri-City residents, kicks off Thursday at 10 a.m. at Coquitlam Centre mall.

Coquitlam Mayor Jon Kingsbury said he hasn't got a moniker in mind, but suggests, perhaps, a First Nations-inspired title.
"I think it'll be really interesting to see what kind of response we get from the public," he said.

A TransLink committee will make its decision in August.
Hardie invited the public to attend the kick-off and to see and make comments on the proposed designs for the project. "We want people to look at the new service as though they bought a new house and now they get to chose the colour of the carpet and the kind of countertops, cabinets and faucets," Hardie said. "The decisions that we can make now can make a huge difference in how well it integrates into the community."

The $800-million rapid transit line, from Lougheed Mall through Port Moody to Coquitlam Town Centre, is expected to begin operation in late 2009.
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Everyone happy?.......not the taxpayers.
Translink and the GVRD had it cooked from the start. They demanded that whatever route it took it must be automated. That cut out any atgrade or LRT system. What other system is driverless except SkyTrain???
The feds had already committedf $350mil as had the province {later to rise to $450} and with the airport funding their spurt line and private sector money then there it was.
Despit Translink stating they were open to all technology and systems by putting down the requirement of a driverless system means it had to be SkyTrain.
I believe that Alstom's Metropolis heavy metro system used in Singapore MRT's Punggol line is fully automated.
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I know there are some driverless subways but the RAV is going down a low density road.........single family if you can beleive it.
Translink is throwing good money after bad.
It is expected to carry only 70,000/day and only 30,000 will be new to transit as they are rerouting many of the bus lines to it to help get the numbers up.
The first SkyTrain line has decent ridership numbers but since then its been a waste of money.
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They wanted to use the median, but the residents there said that the median is part of the "Historic" Boulevard which must never be touched, then Translink said underground and everyone is happy again (that is other than the cost)
And how much of its pristine "historic" state is going to be preserved if it is cut-and-covered through?
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And how much of its pristine "historic" state is going to be preserved if it is cut-and-covered through?
Not sure, but that was what the residents of cambie street want, so that is why this line is now gonna go underground.
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