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Old April 2nd, 2006, 03:06 PM   #1001
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I always thought they should of had the RAV guidway straight down the midle of Cambie to atleast 33rd avenue or King Edward if you could get it under ground and level it out before King Edward street. The protection of the trees on the Cambie boulevard or bs from a bunch of NYMBY's, the fact is that the boulevard is nothing special and the trees are just trees, and not even that old. They could of had that boulevard looking better if they wanted to by building unique pillars, landskaping and replanting trees on the edges of the boulevard where they have vertice room to grow. Not to mention that locals and tourists would have a much more enjoyabel ride above ground where they could get a nice view of the city. Now that im talking about views, and thinking about the people who would take the line(also tax payers) I think the net benefit to the many taxpayers(the riders) by having a pleasent and elevated system would by far outweigh any kind of benefit to the very few who want it under ground and out of sight of their homes. By the way they should of tried shooting the line out of the ground just north of Broadway thus having a above ground station at second avenue and building a new bridge(with cycling and pedestrian lanes, like the proposed bridge accross Fraser river) parallel to Cambie st bridge and straight down with a enterance below ground where Cambie splits to Nelson and Smith. This way they would have a new pedestrian/cycling bridge like they always wanted across False creek and everyone including tourists would get a breath taking view of the city, and in my opinion it would look kind of cool seeing trains zoom across False creek to inbetween the condos.
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 09:16 PM   #1002
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well eventhough 80percent of the people agrees with elevated, the other 20percent will just start holding signs and protesting
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Old April 2nd, 2006, 11:23 PM   #1003
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Somebody there told me on the first service of some inbound Granville Street route of some early-1990s weekday, she boarded it at its terminus. As it set off on its journey, a would-be passenger came running down the sidewalk and had no luck getting that first bus of the day to stop for him. He stood in front of it at the stop line that it waited out its red traffic light. When it went green, the driver hollered at him to get out of the way. The would-be steadfastly remained in the driver's lane. The driver inched forward, the would-be grabbed onto the bases of the windscreen wipers. The person told me she was freaked out coz supposedly the driver drove along Granville for a few blocks with a person hanging off the windscreen. I don't remember how the ride became resolved, but I seem to remember that the would-be never boarded that bus.

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Old April 2nd, 2006, 11:33 PM   #1004
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Are you not living in the city anymore? (The traffic here is so bad, it must of driven you away... ).
Like most cities in this country, it was too suburban for my liking. Nasty trend seems to be run rapid transit through the burbs, forget the city nowadays. It's happened there, while Toronto's Sheppard line and are our metro extension into Laval are just further examples of how the inner cities are shunned.

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Old April 3rd, 2006, 12:15 AM   #1005
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The protection of the trees on the Cambie boulevard or bs from a bunch of NYMBY's, the fact is that the boulevard is nothing special and the trees are just trees, and not even that old. They could of had that boulevard looking better if they wanted to by building unique pillars, landskaping and replanting trees on the edges of the boulevard where they have vertice room to grow.
What are you on about?! This is one of the dumbest things I've read on this site. The Cambie Heritage Blvd. is one of the things that make Vancouver great. And let's stress exactly what it is...Heritage...as in a Heritage Site. These so called 'trees are just trees' happen to be 77 species from all over the world - China, Japan, Korea, India, Western Europe, Russia, North Africa, the Middle East and NA.
Taken from a site here is some of the species - 26 varieties of Chinese, Japanese and Korean Oriental cherries trees, Giant Redwood(1938) from the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California 200 ft tall, rare yellow leaf English elm, Deodara cedar from the India-Nepal Himalayas, Atlas Cedar from North Africa's Atlas Mountains, native Douglas-firs, Korean Dogwood, the Dawn Redwood from Hupeh province in Central China, North American white oaks, Colorado Blue Spruce, white floriferous Kobus Magnolia, the Japanese Snowbell plus many others.

So you would rather rip down cedar from North Africa and replace it with 'unique' cement pillars and replant with new trees that have vertical room to grow? Well how else would they grow, sideways?

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Not to mention that locals and tourists would have a much more enjoyabel ride above ground where they could get a nice view of the city. Now that im talking about views, and thinking about the people who would take the line(also tax payers) I think the net benefit to the many taxpayers(the riders) by having a pleasent and elevated system would by far outweigh any kind of benefit to the very few who want it under ground and out of sight of their homes.
What the hell do you think they are building here, a fun ride so everyone can enjoy the sites? It's a major rail link in a metropolitan centre where thousands of people commute to work. Underground is the only option that makes sense similar to other cities in the world who don't complain 'cause they don't get their precious view out the windows....Rome, London, Paris, San Fran, Moscow and even tiny little Sendai in northern Japan. And who are the very few that want it underground anyway...stats please? I don't live on Cambie and I want it underground. So does everyone else I've talked to. Why, because we are smart and realise that this city in the long run will benefit from it being underground, just like all those cities around the world who had to make the same decision decades ago. It's not too difficult to realise the subway turned out the better option.
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 01:49 AM   #1006
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I believe its Translink policy that once a bus pulls away from the station they are not allowed to open the door for anybody later on (thats what I've heard)
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 09:50 AM   #1007
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Those trees could of been replanted to the sides of the boulevard, just like 30% of them are being replanted right now. The Boulevard as it is is plain, not that taken care of and not that well planed out. In my opinion the boulevard could of been improved to look better then it does now by building a proper elevated guidway. i mean with all the money they would have saved they could of made those pillars out of gold. Also I know plenty of people that have traveled here and thought nothing at all of the Boulevard, and infact many have said that the city should improve it. In my opinion the Boulevard could of been improved, not destroyed like some people like to think.

We are building a transportation system that is efficient and shows of our city, infact on the Expo line Translink estimates that during the summer 25% of the pasengers are tourists(this number sees high but posibel). And a majority of these tourists are not taking the train to check out Surrey. The same people that I know that have visited here all took the skytrain, just for the experience and to see the more of the city, and they have all loved it and said they would love to have above ground trains like here. By the way I guess you disagree with Translink spending all this money on making all the new stations look nice.

Question would you like to spend over 300hrs a year staring at a dark window or out on to the city?

Also do you actualy use the Skytrain on a regular basis?

And since you said you dont live on Cambie, do you live within a block of it?
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 10:09 AM   #1008
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theyre not really killing the trees just relocating them, i was in richmond today and i saw the trees were wrapped nicely ready for a new home for them
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 04:44 PM   #1009
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"Question would you like to spend over 300hrs a year staring at a dark window or out on to the city?"
<<< I can't imagine much of a view either way, so it wouldn't matter to me. If it's a daily trip thing above ground, I'd get quickly used to (tired) of seeing the same shrubs and houses over and over. Would rather read a newspaper.
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 04:49 PM   #1010
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When I go to Vancouver I always use the Skytrain to explore the city. It gives you great views of everything. However, what I like about a subway is the complete change in scenery when you step out of a station. It's like you teleported there or something, it's pretty neat.
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 05:45 PM   #1011
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it was suppose to be elevated in the first place, but they were forced to do underground, which made them to spend more money, you should thank the protesters
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 10:03 PM   #1012
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Even from the early 90s, the RAV line would have been underground til about 37th Ave. because of the steep hill up Cambie Street. Those early plans called for an elevated line south of 37th. After that proposal was cancelled (when the NDP came into power), the City of Vancouver planted 100s of trees along the boulevard and cristened it a Heritage Boulevard to preserve it.

The current RAV project required tunnel as far south as 46th Ave. after which it could be at grade or in trench. The City of Vancouver prohibited an elevated option. The tunnel extended to 46th because of congestion in the Oakridge Centre area.

Of the proposals submitted for the current RAV project, Bombardier proposed a permanent open trench in the median south from 49th Ave. and SNC-Lavalin proposed tunnel as far south as 63rd Ave. under the travelled lanes, without disturbing the median. Bombardier's bid was reportedly much higher than SNC-Lavalin's bid.
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Old April 3rd, 2006, 10:40 PM   #1013
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Question would you like to spend over 300hrs a year staring at a dark window or out on to the city?

Also do you actualy use the Skytrain on a regular basis?

And since you said you dont live on Cambie, do you live within a block of it?
I really could give a toss about staring out a dark window 300 hrs a year, I used to commute in London everyday on the Tube. It's not a big deal, read a paper. Millions of commuters around the world do it daily and I'm sure if you asked if they would rather have an ugly elevated sytem on their streets instead of subway they would go with subway...that's obvious.

I use the Skytrain twice a week.

I live 6 blocks over on Main St. and I actually work right on Cambie St.

Anyway this discussion is pointless, they are building it underground and that's that. Myself and heaps of other people will ride in darkness like the heaps of other people in world class cities around the world with joy. And on top of it we can still enjoy the fantastic trees that are a part of the Heritage Blvd.
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Old April 4th, 2006, 01:49 AM   #1014
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And do tourists in other cities not use the city's metro? I'm sure millions of tourists use the Hong Kong MTR and London Underground each year.
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And do tourists in other cities not use the city's metro? I'm sure millions of tourists use the Hong Kong MTR and London Underground each year.
Precisely.

And thanks for posting the above info.
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Just to add fuel to the fire's, i have no great love of Cambie st....It really is dull....also, undgerground lines although warmer, tend to smell like the sewers (Paris). I would have prefered elevated the whole way, but don't really care one way or another. Also, the tunnel was nessecary for some techinal reason (grade I think...also why we went with a different model). My big concern is the stations...it's too late now, but I would hav loved to see them big high-celing rooms (like Montreal), rather than bombshelters.
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Old April 4th, 2006, 09:12 AM   #1018
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I too think it was quite possible to have the line elevated immediately south of Queen Elizabeth Park and that we were perhaps able to make the strip even better (like spending $50 million from QE Park to Marine Drive on enhancing the boulevard green strip) ...... and all in all, we could've saved money and that money could've perhaps be put into building longer station platforms.
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if they keep on changing things, they might not make it before 2010 to handle the large amount of tourists... and plus, if they make it underground, they might put something entertaining there, like those "moving" animations. Were just commuters, as long as it can take us to the place we want, its great already. Better than nothing =)
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I think this is new: an image gallery on the Canada Line website:

http://www.canadaline.ca/galleryFront.asp

Cut & cover trench on Cambie:



Hole for the Tunnel Boring Machine & False Creek South Station:


Also, just noticed that the Concession Agreement between CLCo, Translink and IntransitBC has been posted (subject to excission of commercially sensitive info).

Interestingly, no rights are granted by Translink to IntransitBC to call the system "SkyTrain" and Section 8.1 indicates that the name will just be "Canada Line".

Ultimate Capacity (15,000pphd) is in Schedule 3, Section 2.5. Intransit BC determine ulitmate train length and determines platform lengths, provided that ultimate train length can be accommodated in future. Section 2.7.3 requires the ability to add future facilities for direct YVR-Richmond service.

Schedule 3, Section 14.2 - track gauge is 1435mm. Skytrain is "Standard Gauge", which, in railway terminology, means a distance between the rails of 4 feet, 8 ½ inches or 1.435 metres. So Canada Line vehicles and Skytrain vehicles have the same rail gauge.

Schedule 3, Section 14.16 - seating is theatre style, 2+2 transverse.

Headways are in Schedule 4, Appendix A.

http://www.canadaline.ca/pubLibDocs.asp?ID=4
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