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Old April 5th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #1021
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wow, maximum speed is 100 km/h.

there will be high-intensity double faced passenger information displays in each vehicle. it'll display time, date, weather, news, ads. at least 10 secs before arriving at stations, the the sign automatically pre-empts displaying other materials and displays the name of the next station and train destination, remaining with this for the duration of the station stop.
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Old April 5th, 2006, 02:26 AM   #1022
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Are seniors getting short-changed by transit drivers (click link for picture of senior in question!!)

Mia Thomas, staff reporter

She might have been named Burnaby's Outstanding Citizen of the Year in 2002 for 45 years of service to others, but Grace Joe doesn't automatically get respect from everyone.

In the last few months, Joe has been trying to get a response from TransLink and its subsidiary, Coast Mountain Bus Company, after two separate incidents on buses in the city, which she feels are reflective of a generally poor attitude towards older people in the community.

"I think this is happening too frequently against seniors," Joe said.

The first incident happened in September when she was heading down Willingdon from Metrotown on the No. 130 bus.

Joe said she pulled the cord to request a stop at Burke Street but the driver kept on going.

"The other passengers were saying, 'The lady wants to get off,' but he went two more stops," Joe said.

"I had to walk all the way back up the hill, and at that time I had very bad sciatica and it took me 30 minutes to get to the stop at Burke."

Once there, she still had to walk an additional 10 minutes to reach her home.

Joe said she then contacted an operations supervisor at the Burnaby transit centre, who told her he'd look into the incident.

The response, said Joe, was, "Sorry, but he can guarantee he did not do that intentionally."

The Burnaby senior, who had a long career as a hospital nurse and nurse instructor, wasn't impressed that, after having paid her fare, she had to walk that extra distance in pain.

For her trouble, she said, the supervisor sent her four, $2 bus tickets.

In November, Joe had another unpleasant encounter with a bus driver in the city.

After making a presentation at the Edmonds community centre on Kingsway, Joe crossed the road to the bus stop on the opposite side.

She was at the back of a short lineup for the No. 106 bus. But, when it stopped, not everyone made it on board.

"This bus driver practically closed the door on the man in front of me," Joe said. "He had to open it again."

Joe said she heard the man tell the driver there was one more person, but he closed the door anyway and wouldn't open it, even though she knocked a couple times.

"I was really, really humiliated to think that he did that to me," said Joe. "I was very, very humiliated. I was really shocked."

She contacted TransLink again and initially spoke to a different supervisor, but the one she'd dealt with after the September incident called her back.

Although he told Joe that he would investigate this second incident, "he didn't call me. He didn't call me at all," she said.

Joe let it go through the Christmas season, thinking they would be too busy, but then she called the supervisor on Jan. 13.

"He was so arrogant," she said of that conversation. "He was most impolite and rude."

The supervisor told her that the bus driver hadn't been able to stop, which she said was fundamentally opposed to her version of events.

"That's not the case. He had stopped but he wouldn't let me on the bus."

She then wrote a letter to Denis Clements, president and chief executive officer of Coast Mountain, which operates the region's buses.

The response just came recently and, according to Joe, was a repeat of what she had heard from the supervisor: sorry that the bus driver didn't stop for you on Kingsway.

"It's so easy for them to say that, say 'Sorry,'" Joe said, adding that once again they had missed the point because the bus had already stopped but the driver didn't let her on.

Joe said there could be more than one version of events being given to the supervisors and president, but it doesn't make sense.

"Why would I make it up?"

"That's encouraging the bus drivers to lie like that," she added. "If the (company) president is going to say it's OK, then they're just going to keep doing it.

"I know they're supposed to support them, but not to the extent where they lie."

She questions the bus drivers' motives for treating her that way.

"Is it because I'm a woman? Is it because I'm Chinese?" said Joe, who was born in Vancouver to Chinese parents.

"Is (the driver) going to do this to all of them?"

Since these incidents, Joe said she's talked to other seniors in the community and they agree some bus drivers demonstrate a lack of courtesy towards older people.

"It seems to be just too common for them, abusing seniors. And it is abuse.

"They humiliate them on the bus," she said, explaining she's heard drivers loudly questioning whether someone actually is a senior and entitled to the concession fare.

Others pull away from the bus stops too quickly without waiting for seniors to sit down.

Joe remembers one time, she said, "I had just sat down and the bus pulled away and there was a lady there and she almost fell."

She understands they have to keep to a time- table, but Joe said sometimes it's better to be patient.

"I know they have a schedule to keep, but isn't it better to have them stop for a second rather than have a senior fall and get hurt?

"Why can't they just wait a minute?"

Older people, she noted, can't walk that fast to a seat, nor can they sway along with the motion of the bus as well as a younger person can.

"This is a situation that deserves some attention because if they can treat me, as a senior, like that, there's others who can be treated like that.

"This has got to stop."

There was no response from TransLink or the Coast Mountain Bus Company before the press deadline.
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Old April 5th, 2006, 04:55 AM   #1023
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I believe its Translink policy that once a bus pulls away from the station they are not allowed to open the door for anybody later on (thats what I've heard)

well can you explain, what if they close the doors infront of your face and you just stand there and see that bus drive off without opening the doors to let you in eventhough you knocked
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Old April 5th, 2006, 04:56 AM   #1024
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Are seniors getting short-changed by transit drivers (click link for picture of senior in question!!)

Mia Thomas, staff reporter

She might have been named Burnaby's Outstanding Citizen of the Year in 2002 for 45 years of service to others, but Grace Joe doesn't automatically get respect from everyone.

In the last few months, Joe has been trying to get a response from TransLink and its subsidiary, Coast Mountain Bus Company, after two separate incidents on buses in the city, which she feels are reflective of a generally poor attitude towards older people in the community.

"I think this is happening too frequently against seniors," Joe said.

The first incident happened in September when she was heading down Willingdon from Metrotown on the No. 130 bus.

Joe said she pulled the cord to request a stop at Burke Street but the driver kept on going.

"The other passengers were saying, 'The lady wants to get off,' but he went two more stops," Joe said.

"I had to walk all the way back up the hill, and at that time I had very bad sciatica and it took me 30 minutes to get to the stop at Burke."

Once there, she still had to walk an additional 10 minutes to reach her home.

Joe said she then contacted an operations supervisor at the Burnaby transit centre, who told her he'd look into the incident.

The response, said Joe, was, "Sorry, but he can guarantee he did not do that intentionally."

The Burnaby senior, who had a long career as a hospital nurse and nurse instructor, wasn't impressed that, after having paid her fare, she had to walk that extra distance in pain.

For her trouble, she said, the supervisor sent her four, $2 bus tickets.

In November, Joe had another unpleasant encounter with a bus driver in the city.

After making a presentation at the Edmonds community centre on Kingsway, Joe crossed the road to the bus stop on the opposite side.

She was at the back of a short lineup for the No. 106 bus. But, when it stopped, not everyone made it on board.

"This bus driver practically closed the door on the man in front of me," Joe said. "He had to open it again."

Joe said she heard the man tell the driver there was one more person, but he closed the door anyway and wouldn't open it, even though she knocked a couple times.

"I was really, really humiliated to think that he did that to me," said Joe. "I was very, very humiliated. I was really shocked."

She contacted TransLink again and initially spoke to a different supervisor, but the one she'd dealt with after the September incident called her back.

Although he told Joe that he would investigate this second incident, "he didn't call me. He didn't call me at all," she said.

Joe let it go through the Christmas season, thinking they would be too busy, but then she called the supervisor on Jan. 13.

"He was so arrogant," she said of that conversation. "He was most impolite and rude."

The supervisor told her that the bus driver hadn't been able to stop, which she said was fundamentally opposed to her version of events.

"That's not the case. He had stopped but he wouldn't let me on the bus."

She then wrote a letter to Denis Clements, president and chief executive officer of Coast Mountain, which operates the region's buses.

The response just came recently and, according to Joe, was a repeat of what she had heard from the supervisor: sorry that the bus driver didn't stop for you on Kingsway.

"It's so easy for them to say that, say 'Sorry,'" Joe said, adding that once again they had missed the point because the bus had already stopped but the driver didn't let her on.

Joe said there could be more than one version of events being given to the supervisors and president, but it doesn't make sense.

"Why would I make it up?"

"That's encouraging the bus drivers to lie like that," she added. "If the (company) president is going to say it's OK, then they're just going to keep doing it.

"I know they're supposed to support them, but not to the extent where they lie."

She questions the bus drivers' motives for treating her that way.

"Is it because I'm a woman? Is it because I'm Chinese?" said Joe, who was born in Vancouver to Chinese parents.

"Is (the driver) going to do this to all of them?"

Since these incidents, Joe said she's talked to other seniors in the community and they agree some bus drivers demonstrate a lack of courtesy towards older people.

"It seems to be just too common for them, abusing seniors. And it is abuse.

"They humiliate them on the bus," she said, explaining she's heard drivers loudly questioning whether someone actually is a senior and entitled to the concession fare.

Others pull away from the bus stops too quickly without waiting for seniors to sit down.

Joe remembers one time, she said, "I had just sat down and the bus pulled away and there was a lady there and she almost fell."

She understands they have to keep to a time- table, but Joe said sometimes it's better to be patient.

"I know they have a schedule to keep, but isn't it better to have them stop for a second rather than have a senior fall and get hurt?

"Why can't they just wait a minute?"

Older people, she noted, can't walk that fast to a seat, nor can they sway along with the motion of the bus as well as a younger person can.

"This is a situation that deserves some attention because if they can treat me, as a senior, like that, there's others who can be treated like that.

"This has got to stop."

There was no response from TransLink or the Coast Mountain Bus Company before the press deadline.
This doesnt only happen to seniors happens to me too! it has made me late for school once or even making me to buy a new ticket.

Talking to the supervisors are useless, we should first thing go speak to the president or higher level or even the government (councellors) FACE TO FACE
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Old April 5th, 2006, 05:00 AM   #1025
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well can you explain, what if they close the doors infront of your face and you just stand there and see that bus drive off without opening the doors to let you in eventhough you knocked
i've seen people smash the bus windows (kick) because the driver wouldn't open the door.

it's simply policy and probably for safety reasons too.
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well if he didnt want those concequences, he shouldve done what he was suppose to do and that is to take communters to the place they wanted to go.

***as matter a fact, i even post a comment in "On your mind" on the 24HRS paper
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well if he didnt want those concequences, he shouldve done what he was suppose to do and that is to take communters to the place they wanted to go.

***as matter a fact, i even post a comment in "On your mind" on the 24HRS paper

again, it's all about policy and passenger safety. i can understand why Translink wouldn't want to pick up passengers at non-station desginated areas, even if it's just 10 feet away from a stop. bus drivers picking up passengers away from stops is a priviledge; drivers being very nice. they're not suppose to do that. simple as that.
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umm... the bus has not moved yet still sitting there... the driver only close RIGHT BEFORE the passenger got near the door
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The Canada Line's maxmimum train length is about 3 cars or so? Not sure if I heard correctly. Not to brand it as a SkyTrain, hmmm... To me, that sort of kills the iconism. Just a personal opinion though. They do not expect to extend the line beyond Richmond I assume?

On another note, how many doors does a MKII have? 3 bi-parting per side right?
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wow, maximum speed is 100 km/h.
That's great. Does anyone know the average speed it'll be running?
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The Canada Line's maxmimum train length is about 3 cars or so? Not sure if I heard correctly. Not to brand it as a SkyTrain, hmmm... To me, that sort of kills the iconism. Just a personal opinion though. They do not expect to extend the line beyond Richmond I assume?

On another note, how many doors does a MKII have? 3 bi-parting per side right?
The train configuration for 2009 is an A and B car; 2-vehicles per train.

I too think it should be called SkyTrain.

The report states that south of Richmond City Centre, the track will be designed in a way it would not preclude a future extension of the line.


Yes, the Mark II's have 3 doors per side on each car.



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That's great. Does anyone know the average speed it'll be running?
my mistake. it's 80 km/h.
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umm... the bus has not moved yet still sitting there... the driver only close RIGHT BEFORE the passenger got near the door
oh. well that's a totally different matter.....**** the driver then!
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i dont think the "line" should be called the canada line, because it doesnt run throughout the country! its only between two cities! RAV sounds much better~~

as for airport... will it have a car only for carrying luggages?
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The agreement allows InTransitBC to run trains up to 100km'h, but the trains InTransitBC selected have a max of 80km/h.

The feds paid a lot towards it and it runs between two federal jurisdictions - YVR and The Port of Vancouver.
I actually agree with earlier postings that each route should be named separately, like the M-Line and Expo Line which have a common section then branch out - the Canada Line does the same but only has one name (mind you the trains will have electronic signs on them indicating destinations, unlike the Skytrain cars).
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they are not all that bad...

http://translink.bc.ca/About_TransLi...ws04010601.asp
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there is something really ridicilous happened on the other day when i was on a bus,
the driver was listening to MP3 and another driver was talking on their phone =.=
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In the evening, passengers are allowed to ask for a "request stop" anyplace that's safe for the bus to stop along the route.

Are doors controlled entirely manually or is there an automatic timer that closes them after they've been open awhile? That might explain some of the doors slamming when you try to exit.
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Are doors controlled entirely manually or is there an automatic timer that closes them after they've been open awhile? That might explain some of the doors slamming when you try to exit.
Depends on the bus. All have some form of "automation" when you either step on the first step (trolleys, older non-new flyer diesels/etc). The others all have some form of optic/delay circuit where they can just get it to close when the doorway is clear.

A couple of days ago I saw a senior yelling at the driver because the door at the back of a D60LF "timed out." Apparantly, they believe the driver did it on purpose...
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i dont think the "line" should be called the canada line, because it doesnt run throughout the country! its only between two cities! RAV sounds much better~~
It was a part of the agreement for federal funding IIRC...
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In the evening, passengers are allowed to ask for a "request stop" anyplace that's safe for the bus to stop along the route.

Are doors controlled entirely manually or is there an automatic timer that closes them after they've been open awhile? That might explain some of the doors slamming when you try to exit.

All buses' front doors are controlled by bus driver,

and for excuse of "didnt hear the bell" if drivers say that, i can tell you that, on the driver's panel it has a light that tells the driver if someone wants to get off.

Lastly, those non trolly buses but you need to walk a few steps up, the back doors are too squishy only one passenger can get off each time..

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