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Old April 9th, 2006, 09:17 AM   #1061
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Isn't the Canada Line just another line, being added to the Skytrain system? Like, there is the Millenium Line, and now they are adding Canada Line... nothing new there.

On another note, I have a question- is there currently any underground section of the Skytrain?

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It's already been asked before.

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No, its a completely different system (no interoperability except rail guage)

Yes, its underground in downtown.
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Old April 9th, 2006, 10:45 AM   #1062
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Will any of the YVR stations lead me to plane spotting?
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Old April 9th, 2006, 10:52 AM   #1063
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You do realise this is a rapid transit line that not only serves the airport but also thousands of commuters in Richmond and Van. How could you have a car that carries only luggage??

if they dont get a luggage car, how will they be able to take people to the airport?? they dont just go to the airport by themselves, they have luggages. If they can ride the train but no luggages, no point of having it to connect tot he airport. and even if it is allowed on trains, there wont be enough space
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Old April 9th, 2006, 11:39 AM   #1064
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If there are no luggage trains...conflict can be expected between tourists and locals...it's like putting cargo onto a passenger train.

There could be 1 or 2 cars on each train that are especially designed for passengers with luggage, for example, make less poles and more foldable seats that can be folded up when room is needed for maximum space (or something like that...).
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Old April 9th, 2006, 11:58 AM   #1065
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if they dont get a luggage car, how will they be able to take people to the airport?? they dont just go to the airport by themselves, they have luggages. If they can ride the train but no luggages, no point of having it to connect tot he airport. and even if it is allowed on trains, there wont be enough space

^You don't seem to get it. The Canada Line is not a rapid transit line specifically for the sole purpose of taking travellers to and from the airport. It is obviously also a rapid transit line for the local population to travel to and from work, for leisure, school, getting pissed at the pub, hockey games, etc. This was already explained in the thread before.

I don't know how old you are but you seem quite young so I don't expect you to have travelled on different transport systems around the world. Basically a rapid transit line that serves an airport usually has spaces/area on a car that a traveller could put their luggage. It's not a large space as it's not supposed to be but it usually will suffice as a rapid transit line must also please the local user of the system as well. People with larger amounts of luggage usually take commuter style trains -which are better equipped for luggage like the Heathrow Express or Narita Express, or they use taxis, limousine buses or friends drive them.

You can see in this picture of a Piccadilly Line train in London which serves Heathrow Airport(a train line and an airport tremendously busier than anything Vancouver would ever have) that just by the doors(the blue cushion) there is a designated spot for luggage that is labelled. It's also a good spot to sit back on when it's busy. I know this 'cause I was on one last month. I hope this helps clarify things for you.
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Old April 9th, 2006, 12:09 PM   #1066
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i've been wondering what they were building right by Arthur Laing Bridge and the interchange to Richmond. I dont know why i didnt think of the RAV, i thought it was another ramp to the bridge
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Old April 9th, 2006, 09:04 PM   #1067
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If there are no luggage trains...conflict can be expected between tourists and locals...it's like putting cargo onto a passenger train.

There could be 1 or 2 cars on each train that are especially designed for passengers with luggage, for example, make less poles and more foldable seats that can be folded up when room is needed for maximum space (or something like that...).
There are only 2 cars on each train.


Another example would be the NYC AirTrain which services JFK and Newark airports. AirTrain is SkyTrain technology and it's automated.


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Old April 9th, 2006, 09:35 PM   #1068
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^Thanks for the example. They have the sensible seating of course which I found out is called 'longitudinal seating'. A google search came up with heaps of examples like London and Chicago.

The other thing I wanted to mention about any luggage considerations is the safety factor. In this day and age security is an ever increasing problem and not just in Europe, where unattended bags are prohibited. With the Olympics approaching we will probably see more and more security enforced by authorities and unattended bags I'm sure will be in those plans. At least they should be.
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Old April 10th, 2006, 02:42 AM   #1069
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I'm not sure longitudinal seating is desirable. Sure it saves a little space (maybe 15% more train capacity? any numbers?), but it's considerably less comfortable when people fill up a bench (especially benches that don't have any dividers so you all smush up against each other). Also, braking and acceleration forces are less comfortable to cope with when sitting "longitudinally". You can't really see where the train's going, not that it matters so much in a tunnel. You've got to look toward strangers. Plus people step on your feet.

People don't like or aren't really used to the "packed like sardines" experience in Vancouver. The transit experience has to be at least moderately comfortable to attract people away from cars, since car travel is still a pretty quick way to get around in the region. I'm guessing the parties figure ridership would be maximized by creating that more attractive experience rather than maximizing each train's capacity (i.e. why not remove seats altogether?).

What's best for crowded London or Hong Kong might not be the best for Vancouver.
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Old April 10th, 2006, 09:30 PM   #1070
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The specifications in the Concession Agreement between InTransitBC, Canada Line Co and Translink requires theatre style transverse seating (2+2).

Bottom line for people using public transit to the airport - if you can't carry / walk with / handle your own luggage, you take a taxi or get a ride by car to the airport.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 04:51 AM   #1071
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For people complaning about luggage space: Even a Skytrain Mk I has more room than for example the S-Bahn from Munich airport to city centre. So it should not be a problem unless the cars are narrower (which they aren't) and the seats face one another (2x2) which they wont be. You can easily take up a row of seats with luggage if you are traveling from the airport, as it will be empty when you get on.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:48 PM   #1072
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As previously mentioned the airport line will serve a variety of users along its route. The core market for the system from the airport will be business travellors and tourists who are heading downtown. The next most important users will be residents who live near stations or one bus connection away and they most likely be working at the airport rather than cathching a plane. Local residents catching a plane are much more dispersed and are more likely to just drive. Single travellors are also more likely to use transit. Long haul travellors with large amounts of luggage and or families will just take a taxi or pay long term parking charges.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 02:16 AM   #1073
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 08:24 PM   #1074
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types of buses .. .. .. they have low rider capacity.
Right. It's so hypocritical: Kyoto, Earth Summits, etc., yet the whole continent here's bent on a subsequent phase
to the one that shed whole tram networks. These dinky low-floors ply two routes that board an expressway here for
some miles at a time -- I've mostly had to stand for no less than 25 minutes at a time travelling either one of them.

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Old April 22nd, 2006, 11:18 PM   #1075
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Just wondering. Is that the new livery to be eventually painted over on all Translink buses, or just the special trolleys?
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 09:17 AM   #1076
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has anyone taken the 98B-line lately? it tends to be extremely slow... from getting 41st station to Richmond center has taken me around one hour, where before it has taken me around 20 minutes. two weeks ago i saw some people were hanging up some "bus only" signs for some lanes but that lane doesnt seem to be used. Hope Canada line will be done fast ^.^ is it possible for it to be finished before the expected date?
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 10:15 AM   #1077
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^ 1) it depends on what time you take the 98 and whether or not there were accidents, which are quite common around Arthur Lang.

2) The Canada Line is scheduled to be in service on November 29, 2009, which is a Sunday btw. It's possible that it'll be finished in time, but not very likely.
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Old April 25th, 2006, 12:37 AM   #1078
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2005 Translink Operating Performance Report:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa...19_06/4.13.pdf

Operating cost recoveries (remember these would be averaged over all routes for the mode):

Conventional Bus: 51.9%
Seabus: 84.0%
Skytrain: 100.4%
Westcoast Express: 69.72%
West Vancouver Transit: 79.44%
Community Shuttles: 39.60%
HandyDart: 5.49%
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Old April 25th, 2006, 01:53 AM   #1079
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i think that translink should put more information signs on platforms (those blue boxes hanging from the ceilings of platforms) there are only one on each side..
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Old April 25th, 2006, 07:28 PM   #1080
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^ red signs for the Canada Line actually.
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