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Old April 26th, 2006, 07:20 AM   #1081
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Should have replaced and invested some of your money into LRT.
From what I heard, light rail vehicles are not so good at climbing the hills and inclinces in Vancouver and area.

Those buses' front views look pretty good.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 08:10 AM   #1082
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From what I heard, light rail vehicles are not so good at climbing the hills and inclinces in Vancouver and area.

Those buses' front views look pretty good.
LRT can't go on steep grades. SkyTrain can go up on grades as much as 8%.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 09:48 PM   #1083
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Yeah, the grid of trolley bus routes up major streets probably wouldn't be able to be replaced with streetcars or LRT without tunneling or switchbacks.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:00 AM   #1084
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Streetcars converted to Trolley buses 1950s

Actually, most trolley bus lines in Vancouver actually were streetcars - 41st Ave, Broadway, Hastings, 4th Ave.; the major north-south lines in Vancouver - Oak, Victoria Drive, Fraser, Main, Granville, Cambie and Dunbar. Tracks were ripped up in the late 1940s and 1950s unfortunately. Check out Heather Conn's "Vancouver's Glory Years". The "Beltway" in the West End with its hills had streetcars.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 04:25 AM   #1085
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ohh are you talking about the chunk of area thats on 2nd avenue? i saw train tracks and a streetcar there long long time ago...
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Old April 27th, 2006, 05:55 AM   #1086
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I like how the front of the bus looks.....but the back looks like a typical NA bus, which is not a bad thing
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Old April 27th, 2006, 10:04 AM   #1087
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Someone from an e-mail list points out that... its seems like Translink is buying 72 new skytrain cars instead of original 34?

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Reference No. Q6-0001
Title: Supply of up to 72 Fully Automated Advanced
Light Rapid Transit Passenger Vehicles
Type: Expression of Interest
Are they planning to retire some MkI's? 72 seems a bit too much for expansion...

(source: http://www.translink.bc.ca/About_Tra...es/default.asp)

PS. My 72nd post! What a coincidence...

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Old May 8th, 2006, 08:44 AM   #1088
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Broadway/City Hall Station

Clear, simple forms, are carefully detailed in a common composite structural system. Repetitive elements are designed to maximize the benefits of each material while minimizing construction costs and enhancing the experience of daily travelers.

Concrete, metal and wood reflect upon the robust heritage of Vancouver and British Columbia and allude to the natural progression from the mass of the earth to the tracery of the forest canopy above.


On a gentle ramp, travelers descend from West Broadway to
the concourse level of the station. Upon exit, they can enjoy
a view of the downtown and North Shore mountains.
Generous windows maximize visual accessibility and light,
while all information and ticket devices can be easily located
along the sky lit east wall.

Within the large station volume, the concourse provides
retail opportunity as well as a commanding view of arriving
trains and both platforms below . At grade, bicycle lockers
are provided on the south end of the station where possible
landscaping connects to the garden of Vancouver City Hall
and the proposed boulevard trees along Cambie Street.
The precise location of the station platform is to be finalized.


The roof plays off the slope of Cambie Street, opening to the view of the downtown and North Shore. It tilts up southward to allow access to natural light, while canting up to Cambie as a welcoming gesture to pedestrians.

The experience of entry is enhanced by a skylight that bathes the concrete wall behind the ticket machines. Additional light provided by abundant windows helps ease the transition between the platforms below and the sidewalks above.


In response to urban design panel input, aesthetic commonality with the False Creek South station has been strengthened as well as with other stations along the Cambie corridor.

An upward slope at the south end of the roof increases the amount of natural light penetrating into the concourse ticketing area. The head house design helps establish a civic presence and
accommodates access opportunities to the adjacent future
development site to the east.


Grade Level




Concourse Level




Platform Level












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False Creek South Station

Form and structure refer to the local legacy of sawmills
and shipbuilding, while the long glass façade maximizes
visual access. The simple building form moderates
between the scales of the Cambie Bridge and future
development.

Glazed openings in the north wall provide visual links to
the neighbourhoods of False Creek.
An overlook from entry level, combined with a skylight
provide direct light into the concourse level as well as
down the escalator, deep into the station. This enhances
the transition from platform to grade and back. As the
day progresses, the light changes, illuminating the
station in a myriad of ways.

Experience is through the senses: visual poetics of
natural light, contrasting textures and acoustic
properties of the building’s materials.


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THESE SLIDES ARE CONTINUED......
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slides continued.....
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Old May 8th, 2006, 08:48 AM   #1092
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Old May 8th, 2006, 10:30 PM   #1093
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Here's what's set out in the 2005 Trnsit Capacity Study where the recommendation was to accelerate the purchase of the 34 Skytrain cars. Could be that they're moving to 4 car MKII trains to deal with the Broadway Station overcrowding problem.

"SkyTrain was found to be within limits on the overall system capacity, however, as noted in the May 20th report to the Board, Review of Millennium Line Ridership Growth, the capacity constraints in the system lie more in the “choke” points rather than
overall capacity. On the segment from Broadway Station west to Main Street Station, (See Chart ‘SkyTrain Passenger Volumes...’), train capacity is at approximately 99% of available capacity suggesting that additional capacity is required. Extra capacity can be achieved through longer trains,however this requires additional cars. The Three Year Plan has identified the requirement for 34 additional car with delivery anticipated in late 2008 but not in service until late 2009 based on previous experience. The BC Rapid Transit Company currently utilizes over 90% of the fleet for peak period service therefore, it is not possible to put more cars into service (the industry average would be more in the range of 85% to 88%). An option is to reduce the service on the under utilized portions of the system (e.g., Millennium Line) and add more cars to the Expo Line. This is difficult to do from an operational perspective and will have negative impacts on other customers and is not recommended.


http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa...4.5transit.pdf
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Old May 11th, 2006, 10:33 PM   #1094
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Posted by nname over at SSP:

Translink news release with the Canada Line Station names, including this zinger for Robson Station -->> "Vancouver City Centre Station"

The only other one that is odd is Olympic Village. It's not really that close to the Olympic Village and I doubt the buildings/condos there will continue to be called that after the games. I also thought that teh station would be closed during the Games? (but that could have been when the village was closer to the bridge).

Here's the full text of the News Release.

May 09, 2006
Canada Line station names selected

TransLink has merged input from Vancouver and Richmond with technical conventions for naming rapid transit stations to determine the names for the 16 Canada Line stations scheduled to open in November 2009.

Station names are chosen primarily to provide passengers with wayfinding information they need for connecting transit services, which was the case when SkyTrain stations on the Expo and Millennium Line were named. Over time, however, some communities or key destinations were included in station names to enhance information for transit customers and to establish the stations as focal points in the community. For example, the Expo Line's Main Street station became "Main Street / Science World," the Joyce Station was renamed "Joyce / Collingwood" and Stadium was transformed to "Stadium / Chinatown."

The same approach will be evident in the names chosen for Canada Line stations.

Waterfront Station: maintaining the name of Vancouver's major transit hub, served by SeaBus, West Coast Express, the Canada Line, Expo and Millennium Lines, and Coast Mountain Bus services.

Vancouver City Centre: the Canada Line station between Robson Street and West Georgia Street.

Yaletown - Roundhouse: adds reference to the Roundhouse Community Centre, an important piece of Vancouver's transportation history and a neighbourhood focal point, to the original name.

Olympic Village: serving the False Creek South area at 2nd Avenue and Cambie, and near the site of the Athlete's Village for the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games. Use of 'Olympic Village' as a station name is subject to an acceptable license agreement being concluded between the Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games and Translink and the approval of such license agreement by the International Olympic Committee.

Broadway - City Hall: the intersection with a major east/west corridor and 99B bus route; also reflecting the proximity to Vancouver City Hall.

King Edward: the intersection with King Edward Avenue; again, an important east/west transit route.

Oakridge - 41st Avenue: identifies the neighbourhood, the shopping centre and an important cross street on the transit system.

Langara - 49th Avenue: combines the name of the community and the college with an important transit route.

Marine Drive: notes the significant intersection with Marine Drive and the bus loop proposed for this station.

Bridgeport: the station that will be the key transit connection and park and ride in Richmond for the Canada Line service from Richmond to Vancouver, Canada Line service to Vancouver International Airport, and highway coach services from Ladner, Delta, South Surrey and White Rock.

Aberdeen: reflective of the neighbourhood; the intersection is Cambie, but reference to that street could result in confusion with Cambie Street in Vancouver."

Lansdowne: references the location of the station at Lansdowne, which will be an important east/west corridor in Richmond

Richmond - Brighouse: incorporates an important historic name in Richmond to the station at the city's centre.

On Sea Island, the Vancouver International Airport Authority will name its three Canada Line stations Templeton, Sea Island Centre and YVR - Airport. The naming of future stations at 33rd Avenue and 57th Avenue in Vancouver as well as a fourth station on Sea Island has been deferred until construction on them proceeds.

The Canada Line rapid transit system will run fully separated from traffic between Waterfront Centre in Vancouver to the heart of Richmond and to Vancouver International Airport. The line will provide the equivalent of 10 road lanes of capacity to move people on the region's busiest north/south corridor and will be an important new link in TransLink's regional transportation network.

The project is a funding partnership of the Governments of Canada and British Columbia, TransLink, Vancouver International Airport Authority and InTransit BC, the consortium that will design, build, operate, maintain and partially finance the line. Canada Line Rapid Transit Inc., a subsidiary of TransLink, manages the Project. For complete details on the project, visit www.canadaline.ca
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Old May 14th, 2006, 01:56 AM   #1095
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Translink has this bizzare habit of building SkyTrain/LRT for suburbanits first. Its the only city I have ever heard of where they build from the suburbs to downtown as opposed to building from downtown outwards.
They are also set up for suburbanites. The M-Line has stations all thru Burnaby but doesn't have one at Nanaimo?????
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Any other city would think you were joking. This is why for all its money spent on SkyTrain and soon to be RAV, ridership on Translink is still lower on a percapita basis than Tor/Mon/Ott/Cal.
Calgary's CTrain carries the same number of passengers yet serves a city less than half the size on fewer km on a system that has cost one third the price.

You're joking, right? There is a station at Nanaimo Street on the Expo (Bill Bennett) line.

The idea that these 80 kmh systems have been selected with suburbanites in mind is really a case of adding insult to injury. You're right about this system being a gross failure, but ask yourself why. What's happened in Vancouver is that moderate speed rolling stock, which is intended to be used for intermediate trips connecting local buses with higher speed heavy rail systems, has been pressed into service as the long haul trunk line. It doesn't work because it can't work.

Consider this bit of prize lunacy. When the "Green Line" is finished out to Coquitlam Centre, a person taking two Skytrains and then the Green line will arrive at Coquitlam Centre in an hour. Compared to 45 minutes on the #160 bus. And compare to about one hour (Translink estimate) driving one's car.

So after spending billions on elevated guideways to carry 80 kmh rolling stock, and then joining that up with a conventional, ongrade LRT at a cost of several hundred million more, a traveller will be getting to Coquitlam 15 minutes slower than using a setup of buses and HOV lanes on city streets. Brilliant!
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The project is a funding partnership of the Governments of Canada and British Columbia, TransLink, Vancouver International Airport Authority and InTransit BC, the consortium that will design, build, operate, maintain and partially finance the line. Canada Line Rapid Transit Inc., a subsidiary of TransLink, manages the Project. For complete details on the project, visit www.canadaline.ca
I realize there are many who think this project is just wonderful. While my main criticism is the slow speeds, I really think this whole P3 thing is just rhubbish.

Does anyone seriously believe that if costs keep on rising, and depending on how China's expansion plans proceed that possibility cannot be ruled out, that the contractors are just going to keep on digging themselves in deeper and deeper? I asked the same question about Translink's Golden Ears Bridge. Does anyone seriously believe that the contractors are such obedient little dependents that they will keep on building and building, no matter what?

In a backhanded way, I am actually rather optimistic that the RAV or Canada line offers us an historic opportunity for genuine reform in the Greater Vancouver region. If the contractors keep on coming back time and again for more cash, each time swearing like Hitler that they have "no more financial ambitions", what's the public reaction going to be? How are provincial and local governments going to handle that reaction?

There is a chance here for the entire Lower Mainland political structure and the associated transportation and zoning ideology to be overturned. We could end up with unified local government, including unified police, fire and other emergency services, and a sensible transportation policy that combines heavy rail, essentially improved and sped-up WCExpress services, with a suburban freeway network that provides a metropolitan ring road. That, coupled with sensible zoning in Vancouver and Burnaby (remove floor plate and FSR restrictions, and raise areas zoned for 3 stories to 6 or 7 with the same, residential like setbacks and landscaping that people are used to), could also lead to affordable market housing that can accommodate families with children in livilable sized apartments, and therefore a more internationally competitive Vancouver economy.

So hear's hoping that the Canada Line's cost estimates are a complete bust and that it brings down the entire GVRD house of cards with it!
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Yah, whatever. Toronto has many of the "one system" services and the city services haven't got better. The unions with their stranglehold on the monopoly services such as those you have mentioned would assist in ratcheting up demands and ratepayers would see their taxes increased even more than now. Both rising housing prices and rocketing wage increases for civic employees would ensure that.

The GVRD house of cards replaced by what? Maybe four regions as ahem, Doug McCallum (of all people) proposed.

Asphalt socialism for Surrey and Maple Ridge and Langley (paid for by property taxes perhaps). To hell with regional air quality, pave over the farmland for parking for malls. Ring roads as Kevin Falcon seems to propose. Tolled, I guess or "free"? Why not an underground Arbutus Corridor ring road connecting to the Oak Street Bridge to round out your suggestion?
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Yah, whatever. Toronto has many of the "one system" services and the city services haven't got better. The unions with their stranglehold on the monopoly services such as those you have mentioned would assist in ratcheting up demands and ratepayers would see their taxes increased even more than now.

I am not sure what you mean by "one system". As for organized labour, they are not a culprit at all. They might object to amalgamation because they fear losses of seniority, but the trade off is increased promotional opportunities.

The real obstacle, as you well know, are real estate interests, and the biggest of those is the small property owner, the huge mass of individual home and apartment owners who have bought into the ideology of supply restrictions through abuse of the zoning power that will enhance their untaxed capital gains.
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The skytrain is only slower than driving in non-rush hour times. Trust me, i do this route everyday. It takes me 40 minutes to drive from Ioco to Como Lake via St Johns and Clark in the morning. Translink says 25 min for evergreen line? I'll take it. Also, if you use transit, you don't have to pay for gas. 1.216 my arse!

Didn't the skytrain use to be faster too? I seem to remeber being about 16 and clocking the train between Lougheed and Production way at around 100kph (according to my odometer)
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The skytrain is only slower than driving in non-rush hour times. ...

1.216 my arse!

Didn't the skytrain use to be faster too? I seem to remeber being about 16 and clocking the train between Lougheed and Production way at around 100kph (according to my odometer)

Once George W. Bush and Dick Cheney vacate the White House, oil and gas prices will start to moderate. By 2010 I expect to be paying between 60 and 70 cents retail for gasoline.

You make a good point about rush hour versus other times. I based my statements on the background report done for Translink by Delcan:

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/pdf...cal_report.pdf

In the pdf file, look at Exhibit 5.3 on page 5-4, which is actually page 56 of 106 in the file. It gives an assortment of times for trips starting at Coquitlam City Hall. Curiously, I can't find a statement one way or the other about the time of day they are assuming in their calculation of door-to-door times, but they do state that for transit it doesn't include time waiting for connections, only in-vehicle time.

Elsewhere the report states that they assumed that Port Mann would be twinned and Hwy 1 expanded by one additional lane each way in all their projections. And they also state that the maximum Skytrain speed is 80 kmh, but the LRT would actually have slightly faster maximums of 90 kmh, but be slowed on the NWest alignment by intersections.

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