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Old February 13th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #1121
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Where noise is a concern, they'll install sound barriers along the guideway.

I agree that the primary reason would be to prevent the guideway from towering over the streetscape. The main factor that ameliorates the presence of the guideway is having it located on the side of the street - not in the middle. That allows smaller station houses that do not dominate their surroundings too much. If the guideway was in the middle of the street, it would have to be taller to fit a mezzanine level under it to access the stations - that would have meant a larger structure and excessive shadowing on the street.
From the pics, you can see that the guideway does not seem obtrusive when beside buildings.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #1122
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Where noise is a concern, they'll install sound barriers along the guideway.

I agree that the primary reason would be to prevent the guideway from towering over the streetscape. The main factor that ameliorates the presence of the guideway is having it located on the side of the street - not in the middle. That allows smaller station houses that do not dominate their surroundings too much. If the guideway was in the middle of the street, it would have to be taller to fit a mezzanine level under it to access the stations - that would have meant a larger structure and excessive shadowing on the street.
From the pics, you can see that the guideway does not seem obtrusive when beside buildings.
Yes, you are quite correct about that.

Im quite interested because of the proposals for the extension of Kuala Lumpur's Kelana Jaya line into my current home. The current proposal is through a residential area and residents are not happy with it...but it might be possible to build some of the alignment alongside commercial areas and major roads...

KL's monorail really changes it's appearance when it moves from the centre of the road alignment to the side of the road....

You are correct that having the guideway alongside a major road (rather than through the centre) would reduce the visual impact and make it more accessible to potential passengers.

It bears exploring. Thanks for the information.

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Old February 15th, 2008, 01:24 AM   #1123
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LoL at the time the Chuo Line trains were the older trains with 175cm height doors. Tell my poor forehead that the trains are way ahead than what we have, probably 5 times I hit my head until I realized I had to bow on my way out, probably made me look good "Awww the polite gaijin is bowing to us". LoL. I wanna go back and ride the newer trains.

The last time I hit my head on the doorway I was starting to cuss, then I saw all the Japanese people looking at me and quickly regained my composure, doodoodoo nothing happened.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 01:31 AM   #1124
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If you compare the Canada Line with the Millennium Line (unfortunately, there aren't too many pictures of it from street level), the Millennium Line jogs back and forth from one side of the street to the middle to the other side and back again - all to keep the guideway as far from houses as possible.
Unfortunately, the effect was to require "bents" (post and lintel supports) at many places along the route, which overshadow the street as well as requiring taller columns where a stadion (Brentwood) is located in the middle of the street.
When the Canada Line was designed, there was also a conscious effort to avoid the use of "bents" to support the guideway (for example, bents were eliminated south of the Marine Drive Station and there are none where the guideway crosses Sea Island Way @ No. 3 Rd.) (they are still used at stations) - providing a much cleaner look than seen with the Millennium line (despite standardization of the precast segments and some awkward transitions). The Richmond terminus was also moved from the west side of No. 3 Rd. to the east side in order to avoid a bent looming across No. 3 Rd. in Richmond's downtown core.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 01:33 AM   #1125
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The Richmond terminus was also moved from the west side of No. 3 Rd. to the east side in order to avoid a bent looming across No. 3 Rd. in Richmond's downtown core.
I would've hoped that they build the platform on the West side instead of the East Side (current side away from No 3 Rd) so that they could build a pedestrian overpass connecting Richmond Centre with the station.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 02:53 AM   #1126
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Ok I have a question for someone who knows about highspeed rail (ie not me).

I know that highspeed rail is never going to happen right now in Metro Vancouver, but hypothetically how difficult would it be to implement a high speed commuter train from Vancouver to the fraser valley? How much would it cost, and what would be the preferred alignment?
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Old February 15th, 2008, 07:26 AM   #1127
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The prefered alignment would probably be straight down the median of the TransCanada, make it go 160km/h so people in cars are wowwwwwwed by the speed, and it'd probably cost $2 billion at least to put it in. Because of the straight dedicated track, the trains would achieve a much higher average speed than the West Coast Express and could probably just join up with CP tracks along the Burrard Inlet the rest of the way. I'm guessing 55 minutes from Abby to Downtown. 40 minutes from Abby to a station at around Willingdon where it would connect to a rapidbus serving Brentwood to Metrotown. Willingdon to Abby is probably easy because of the wider right of way for the highway, but from Willingdon up to the CP tracks will be expensive. I don't see the trains going through the Grandview Cut, that poor single track is already overused.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 08:08 AM   #1128
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Richmond Centre already has an arm that reaches the sidewalk. The planned configuration is fine, especially since the Public Market area just behind the station is built at a pedestrian scale. There'll be a crosswalk close by - this encourages life on the street - especially for the Public Market area.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 08:20 AM   #1129
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Richmond Centre already has an arm that reaches the sidewalk. The planned configuration is fine, especially since the Public Market area just behind the station is built at a pedestrian scale. There'll be a crosswalk close by - this encourages life on the street - especially for the Public Market area.
True, hopefully Richmond center will add some shelter to define the path linking the station to the mall.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #1130
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160km/hr is considered highspeed?
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Old February 15th, 2008, 03:52 PM   #1131
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I don't think they can make commuter service any faster than that. The Vancouver-Seattle-Portland link if it's ever build could be 250km/h+ High speed trains have high infrastructure costs and need more room to build, aka it would have to be on its own guideway on the side, it could not run down the median.
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Old February 16th, 2008, 02:24 AM   #1132
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The elevated guideway at Marine Drive is nearing completion. This picture, taken Feb. 13, shows the crane only a hundred metres away from the North Arm Bridge:
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Same goes with Brighouse-Richmond City Centre Station, Feb. 13:
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Old February 18th, 2008, 09:38 AM   #1133
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More pictures from Tafryn, Feb. 16:
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #1134
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Here are a few pictures about the TBM involved in this projects I took today at the earth science department:

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And now a scale model of the boring machine:
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Old February 19th, 2008, 10:16 AM   #1135
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^ wow, that's pretty cool! thx!


More updates from Tafryn, Feb. 18:
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:26 PM   #1136
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hopefully you all saw the budget and it was great to see the lack of caring by the liberals. they are spending howmuch on transit compared to road improvements. i think the carbon tax on gas should be flipped over to transit instead of becoming a tax rebateish. i also think diesel should not have a carbon tax as the trucks use diesel and when you have construction or machinery using the fuel,extra costs are something we dont need. also those living in the north with pickup trucks and cold winters may not benefit from this as they need to drive long distances between cities or what not. I really dont like the subsidies on big oil; at a time when they are making record profits, they should be using that money for transit. at the end of the day i shouldnt be expecting much from the liberals and i didnt expect anything for post secondary education, which has massive problems as is( as a student i know... my uni has a $16million shortfall and they are cutting classes) or for healthcare, all those baby-boomer getting older.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:29 PM   #1137
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Pics of the last guideway segment from the Canada Line website (note how the last segment is only halfway on the last column - i.e. for expansion southwards):

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 03:11 AM   #1138
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This 'green' Campbell budget is all about getting elected

By Michael Smyth
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Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Is Gordon Campbell really serious about global warming or just warming up to voters by melting the ice cap on his once-frigid political image?

That's the question hanging out there after this week's muddled and confusing budget sent out so many contradictory messages when it comes to the premier's pet issue of climate change. Consider:

DRIVE OR DON'T DRIVE: Tuesday's budget brought in a carbon tax on diesel and gasoline that will be particularly brutal on British Columbia's trucking industry.

The government apparently wants people to drive less, but truckers don't have that option: They either drive or they don't work. The carbon tax is not "revenue neutral" to this industry, so crucial to British Columbia's economy.

But at the same time Campbell is hammering truckers with a gas tax, his government is spending billions of dollars on expanded highways and bridges, supposedly to help the same industry expand and flourish.

So which is it, premier: drive or don't drive? The government doesn't seem sure.

TAKE THE TRAIN - OR NOT: Campbell wants commuters to get out of their cars and take public transit. But while the government played the role of planet-savers on Tuesday with $1.8 billion worth of carbon taxes, the same budget pledged just $2 million toward rapid rail transit this year.

If Campbell is serious about getting drivers to switch to transit, he must supply fast, comfortable and efficient transit options first.

OIL AND GAS: British Columbia's oil-and-gas sector is one of the province's most energy-intensive industries and a major emitter of greenhouse gases. It will be punished by the carbon taxes in Tuesday's budget.

But that same budget increases tax credits and subsidies to the oil-and-gas sector as an encouragement to expand its operations in B.C. What a contradiction!

GOOD NEIGHBOUR POLICY: While British Columbia goes it alone in cutting greenhouse gases, neighbouring Alberta is planning to allow emissions to increase as it develops the oilsands.

If climate change poses the planetary disaster that we have been told, you'd think Campbell would be publicly pleading with Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach to join his crusade.

Instead, Campbell refuses to comment on what other provinces and the federal government are doing - or not doing - on the issue.

Put all of these inconsistencies and contradictions together and you have a picture of a B.C. government that cares more about domestic politics than the actual "crisis" of global warming.

Campbell saw how Arnold Schwarzenegger parlayed the issue into an unlikely second term in the California governor's mansion.

Now we're seeing Campbell try the same sound-and-light show here.

It will probably get him re-elected - just like Ah-nuld - but it will damage the British Columbia economy in the process.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 05:19 AM   #1139
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Carole Taylor's budget was TOTALLY green. This year, her shoes were by John Fluevog, a local designer committed to reducing his emissions when creating his products. And the budget reflected this.

We first have the Carbon Tax, which will start off this summer, giving British Columbians time to change their lifestyles. I believe everyone has responsibility in this, and Carole Taylor does too, which is why this Carbon tax is going to apply to everyone. Unfortunately, it will also apply to truckers, which I do not agree. It will hit the industry a little, increasing prices of trucks, which will increase prices in consumer products. But this will not damage the economy as BC's economy is strong and will remain strong in the coming years. The growth of our economy has slowed slightly, but even the US. Housing Crisis did not damage our economy. And remember, truckers are also emitting carbon dioxide to our environment. I think it's about time they start finding ways to reducing their carbon footprint too (maybe invest in more environmentally friendly trucks).

People up north complain about this tax and not having enough transit. But there are other ways of reducing our carbon footprints, such as walking and biking. This tax is about improving people's lifestyles. Since the tax will also apply to natural gas (heating), we can get people to turn down their thermostat and wear a sweater instead, we can people to have less of those one hour hot showers or baths.

Carbon Tax dollars will be used to improve our environment and improve transit. It will be a source for costly but necessary projects such as the Evergreen Line and the Millennium Line extension.


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Carole Taylor's budget also included health care spending: $2.9 billion. The money will be used properly - improving of services and expansion of hospitals. In the coming months, we will be learning more about how to use this money properly as the government will be in discussion with local health authorities, such as the expansion of Childrens Hospital.

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The Gateway project is in a sense, also green. We will be seeing a continuous HOV lane, promoting transit (the Gateway RapidBus) and commuting with friends and neighbors. The Gateway project also includes new transit centers, HOV priorities, dedicated-commercial Vehicle exits, and park and rides. It will improve the commute on Highway 1 and end vehicle congestion, releasing more emissions in the air.

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$104 million dollars [extra] will be spent to improve homelessness over the next four years. And recently, Vancouver, Metro Vancouver, and the province have teamed up and announced their plans of having rehabilitation sites all across the region.

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$370 million of is committed to transit between now and 2010 for new transportation RapidBus routes in BC, including Kelowna, Victoria, and Whiterock-Bridgeport. This is new infrastructure that will move British Columbians faster. The province 2020 transportation plan remember is for long term. During this year, there will be talks with the Federal Government on the Evergreen Line plan (as they now meet Transport Canada's ALRT time requirements) and for other projects like the Millennium Line extension. We will be hearing from Kevin Falcon by summer time.

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And notice this year's budget is pretty conservative, there aren't huge numbers throwing across the table. This is pretty important to notice as the BC Liberals is committed to improve public services and continue our strong economy.

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Btw, I will respond to the video you sent me soon. Just haven't had time to watch the video in detail. But I can tell you I'm more on your side for that.

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 07:01 AM   #1140
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How will they do an expansion southwards with one platform? Or is that for expansion of the train length?
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