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Old July 2nd, 2006, 10:37 AM   #1241
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Old July 2nd, 2006, 07:56 PM   #1242
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If it's incomplete, be a good netizen and edit it there (dead easy to do - click "Edit") as well as typing it here. Stick to facts though.

Stick to facts? Who decides what is fact and what is debatable?
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Old July 3rd, 2006, 08:25 AM   #1243
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Old July 5th, 2006, 10:15 PM   #1244
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Here is a second article on the extraordinarily low wages being paid to some foreign workers on the RAV or Canada line tunnelling project. This is from the Globe and Mail of July 1st.

Foreign workers say wages are less than $3.50 an hour
PETER KENNEDY

VANCOUVER -- Foreign workers hired to dig tunnels at a $2-billion infrastructure project in Vancouver have signed up to join a union, after allegations they are being paid as little as $3.50 an hour by their employer.

The move was welcomed by trade union officials who allege that the group of 40 Latin American construction workers are being exploited by a consortium that is building the Canada Line rapid transit project.

"These workers have shown great solidarity and strength of character to stand up to their employer and demand equal rights," said Wayne Peppard, executive director of the B.C. and Yukon Territory Building and Construction Trades Council, or BYTC.

Mr. Peppard said the workers, who come from Costa Rica, Colombia and Ecuador, are employees of SELI Canada Inc., a subsidiary of an Italian tunnel-boring firm, and have been working alongside Canadians who are being paid more than $20 an hour.

"It is a disgrace that any workers in this country could be allowed to be exploited like these workers have been," said Mark Olsen, a business manager with the Labourers Construction and Specialized Workers union Local 1611.

He said the workers, who are living in a hotel in East Vancouver, have voted to certify Local 1611 as their bargaining agent in future contract negotiations with the employer. That move was backed yesterday by the B.C. Labour Relations Board.

The decision appears to be setback for a partnership that is funding the Canada Line, a 19-kilometre light rapid transit project being built to connect downtown Vancouver with the suburb of Richmond and the Vancouver Airport.

Its public-sector financiers include the federal and B.C. governments, the Greater Vancouver Transit Authority and the Vancouver Airport Authority. They have teamed up with a group of private-sector financiers, which include a subsidiary of Montreal-based SNC Lavalin, and operate under the umbrella title InTransitBC.

Steve Crombie, a spokesman for InTransitBC, denied that the foreign workers are being exploited. "I don't know why they promote this idea because it is false," he said. "They [the unions] obviously have an agenda."

Mr. Crombie said allegations of exploitation may stem from the fact the 14 trade unions that represent B.C. construction-sector workers did not get the right to supply all of the labour required for the Canada Line project.

"We decided to go a different route and put the various components out for competitive bids," he said.

After SELI was hired to do part of the tunnel-boring work, it brought in a team of about 40 foreign workers who are skilled in that area of construction and are now at the centre of allegations that they are being exploited.

Mr. Crombie said those workers are getting take-home pay of $20,000 (U.S.) a year. Also included in the package is free accommodation, food and ground transportation. They also get two free airline tickets a year to visit their families, he said.

"If you add it all up, it sounds pretty reasonable,'' he said.

However, a spokesman for the BCYT said the decision by the workers to join a union indicates they are not happy with their pay. Mr. Peppard said he has pay stubs showing that some of the workers are being paid only $1,148 (Canadian) a month.

Even if some are getting $20,000 (U.S.) a year, it still works out to less than $8 (Canadian) an hour, the minimum wage in B.C. "Evidence presented showed they were working for just $3.47 an hour, six days, at a minimum of 60 hours per week," Mr. Peppard said.

Yesterday, the BCYT was calling on Ottawa to launch an inquiry to look at the process that permits foreign residents to work at infrastructure projects in Canada and to ensure that it is being properly monitored.

B.C. Ministry of Labour spokesman Graham Currie said he is aware of the allegations that the foreign workers were being paid less than $5 an hour. He said the province's Employment Standards Branch has received complaints from workers involved in the Canada Line construction.

"I am unaware of the nature of the complaints,'' he said.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 12:31 AM   #1245
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i just love Vancouver, they have some of the best urban transportation i have ever seen!!!

simply amazing
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Old July 6th, 2006, 02:53 AM   #1246
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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:57 AM   #1247
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it's supposedly an LRT line, but it's gonna have more streetcar characteristics than rapid transit as it won't have traffic signal priority at several intersections. in other words, an expensive $800 million streetcar; big mistake. more like $1 billion though when inflation in labour and materials is included.

it's 11 km (2 km tunnel, 4 km elevated, 5 km at-grade) with 10 stations and a peak frequency of 6 minutes. it's a 20+ minute ride from terminus to terminus.
the evergreen line is suppossed to be like Portlands LRT trains
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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:59 AM   #1248
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the evergreen line is suppossed to be like Portlands LRT trains
All of the intersection's Portland's LRT runs through, the train has signal priority. Ours doesn't at several intersections.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:59 AM   #1249
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Old July 6th, 2006, 10:01 AM   #1250
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i don't see a problem with the platform lengths

most of the platforms now are too long most people know where to bunch up
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Old July 6th, 2006, 10:22 AM   #1251
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i don't see a problem with the platform lengths

most of the platforms now are too long most people know where to bunch up
in just a few years, the entire 80 metre SkyTrain platform will be filled with 4-car Mark II trains and 6-car Mark I trains. How are you going to add more cars onto the Canada Line with the platforms barely being able to handle 2-car trains?
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Old July 6th, 2006, 12:26 PM   #1252
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well not to sound awful but i will just be driving
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Old July 6th, 2006, 02:47 PM   #1253
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i don't see a problem with the platform lengths

most of the platforms now are too long most people know where to bunch up

it would be embarrassing for vancouver and canada to show the world if they cant fit the world on those platforms.

if there are crowdings, wouldnt there be a higher chance of people being pushed into the tracks?
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Old July 6th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #1254
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A BIT MORE ON RAV LINE WAGES

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Here is a second article on the extraordinarily low wages being paid to some foreign workers on the RAV or Canada line tunnelling project. This is from the Globe and Mail of July 1st.

Foreign workers say wages are less than $3.50 an hour
PETER KENNEDY

VANCOUVER -- Foreign workers hired to dig tunnels at a $2-billion infrastructure project in Vancouver have signed up to join a union, after allegations they are being paid as little as $3.50 an hour by their employer.

...

Steve Crombie, a spokesman for InTransitBC, denied that the foreign workers are being exploited. "I don't know why they promote this idea because it is false," he said. "They [the unions] obviously have an agenda."

...

Mr. Crombie said those workers are getting take-home pay of $20,000 (U.S.) a year. Also included in the package is free accommodation, food and ground transportation. They also get two free airline tickets a year to visit their families, he said.

"If you add it all up, it sounds pretty reasonable,'' he said.
This morning on CBC Radio 1 in Vancouver Rick Cluff interviewed Wayne Peppard and Steve Crombie. Peppard basically repeated the claims made in the Globe article.

Crombie, on the other hand, tended to improve on his story. Now he says that some workers, including one in his early twenties who has been with the company for three years, is making $30,000 a year not including overtime, as opposed to the $20,000 figure in the Globe story of last week. And the young fella is also getting food, accommodation and travel home.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 10:35 PM   #1255
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it would be embarrassing for vancouver and canada to show the world if they cant fit the world on those platforms.

if there are crowdings, wouldnt there be a higher chance of people being pushed into the tracks?
Crowding on Hong Kong's MTR is 10x worst than SkyTrain's problems, and yet they only installed the platform doors only a few years ago.
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The greatest crowding will be at Bridgeport when the coach buses empty out. Every second train will be from YVR - so hopefully the trains from YVR won't be crowded during rush hours, and will provide a nearly empty train every second train.
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The greatest crowding will be at Bridgeport when the coach buses empty out. Every second train will be from YVR - so hopefully the trains from YVR won't be crowded during rush hours, and will provide a nearly empty train every second train.
Other stations that will also see crowding issues:

- Richmond Centre
- Lansdowne
- Aberdeen
- Bridgeport
- YVR-Terminus
- Oakridge-41st
- Broadway-City Hall (big issues!!!!!!!)
- Vancouver City Centre
- Waterfront
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I see the biggest problems at the feeder bus station termini (i.e. everyone get out!) - and Bridgeport probably see the most number of routes coming in at the same time.

Richmond City Centre and Marine Drive (both also bus route termini) may also see a lot of crowding, but not Lansdowne or Aberdeen.

Oakridge - not so much - 41st is busy, but it's not the same as 4 buses disgorging at the same time.

Broadway City Hall - probably not until the M-Line is extended (the east west catchment area for downtown transfers may be quite small (i.e. from Granville to Commercial - close to commerial, you'd wait for Skytrain - close to Granville, you'd transfer to a frequent regular bus instead of riding further east to Cambie.) Although the B-Line is busy it still is one route and wouldn't be the same as numerous routes disgorging at the same time.

Waterfront & Vancouver City Centre - definitely during big downtown events (fireworks, sporting events), but on a regular basis, not too sure.
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Crowding on Hong Kong's MTR is 10x worst than SkyTrain's problems, and yet they only installed the platform doors only a few years ago.

you should take a look at hongkong mtr platforms! theyre so cool! the platforms are like HUGE! and there are even shops etc you cant really compare hk with vancouver...
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you should take a look at hongkong mtr platforms! theyre so cool! the platforms are like HUGE! and there are even shops etc you cant really compare hk with vancouver...
Hong Kong has a population of more than 6 million; Vancouver has 2.2 million. The MTR's ridership is over 1.6 million daily. Vancouver's ridership is 230,000 daily (obviously, less populated and less dense). You can't really compare either.
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