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Old August 22nd, 2006, 07:49 AM   #1321
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Would SkyPigs™ be an affectionate nickname, or not?
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 07:17 AM   #1322
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New pics on the Canada Line website: http://www.canadaline.ca/galleryFront.asp?GalleryID=0

Pics of the 31st Ave area up at the Canada Line site:





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Arthur Laing Bridge looking west to YVR:


At grade guideway west of Templeton Station:


West from Oak Street Bridge:


Operations & Maintenance Centre site:
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Old October 5th, 2006, 12:15 AM   #1323
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Old October 9th, 2006, 09:59 AM   #1324
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A couple of questions about the Skytrain

The RapidKL Kelana Jaya line in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (which is very similar to the Skytrain Millenium line trains) just had its latest breakdown.

The suggestions coming out of KL are that these breakdowns are a result of maintenance issues. However, there is a concern, given that the breakdowns happen more often on the Kelana Jaya line than the other lines (which do not use the ART Mark II technology).

I've written a letter suggesting the Minister of Transport in Malaysia that RapidKL (the operator) and SPNB (the infrastructure company) contact Translink and Bombardier to discuss maintenance issues...perhaps arranging an exchange of ideas and skills and helping RapidKL improve on their maintenance.

Im just wondering tho....Are there any major concerns in Vancouver regarding the ART Mark II technology?

I know from experience that Toronto has had long-standing issues with the ART Mark I. Despite this, the most recent recommendation for the Scarborough RT was to convert to the ART Mark II and expand the system.

At the same time, Vancouver (the only other major user of the ART besides KL) is not using ART for the Canada Line.

RapidKL is currently planning an extension of their Kelana Jaya line...should they be looking at different technology too?

I also wanted to know, how did Skytrain build the link between the Millenium line and the Expo line at Columbia Station? Is it a simple wye, or something more complicated. Does anyone have any photos of the track around Columbia Station, or or track diagrams? They would be very much appreciated.

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Old October 9th, 2006, 10:06 AM   #1325
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no pics but at columbia station the trains can either go up over the bridge or to the side and under the other line

sort of like two lines turn into 4
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Old October 9th, 2006, 10:10 AM   #1326
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actually if you watch at the end of this video you can see where the trains divide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_WXtMd8Ig
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Old October 10th, 2006, 02:11 AM   #1327
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amazing news, be sure to archive this thread when you reach 500 posts, this stuff is worth keeping!

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Old October 10th, 2006, 02:56 AM   #1328
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Translink has finally figured out which buses it will order.

126 new 40-foot, low-floor standard diesel buses with particulate filters will be in service for September 2007. This will be both to replace old buses, and expand the fleet by 51 buses overall. It's the first phase of $400 million in bus purchases over the next 3 years.

They beat out the hybrid electric and compressed natural gas (CNG) options.

The reasoning for choosing this option was that they needed buses by next fall to relieve overcrowding, and only diesels would actually be ready. They are said to pollute about the same amount as CNG buses, but they're about 25% cheaper, so the net impact on pollution would be bigger since more of the older pollutomatic diesels can be replaced sooner.
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Old October 12th, 2006, 09:50 AM   #1329
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Not to mention the decision to cancel as many C40LFs after ordering them was more of a political decision after a change of power.
Apparantly their reasoning for this is due to a lack of refueling stations.
Not too sure how the Novabuses they are replacing the order with are, but I hope they are at least equal to the performance of the new C40LFs.
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Old October 12th, 2006, 10:20 PM   #1330
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Im just wondering tho....Are there any major concerns in Vancouver regarding the ART Mark II technology?
No major concerns regarding the MKII technology. I think the lastest service interruptions have been due to power supply problems - doubt that would be unique to the MKIIs.

The Evergreen Line to Coquitlam is planned as conventional LRT (not ART MKII) to save on costs. Studies reported that MKIIs would provide superior service, but the money isn't there to fund it.

Scarborough's system will apparently be upgraded to MKIIs and sections of the line rebuilt. The problems there were that the line was built to the old MKI specifications (underpasses and curves) that did not fit the larger MKII cars (and the MKI cars are no longer beig built) - so expanding passenger capacity (by adding new cars) was a problem.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 02:01 AM   #1331
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New report being presented to the Translink Board regarding the Evergreen Line. Note that the diagram for the Coquitlam Central Station appears to include a switch for a branch to Port Coquitlam.

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa...06/4.4Case.pdf

And it includes this diagram of future transit lines/routes in the region - personally, I think use of the word "extension" for the M-Line west and Surrey suggests using the same technology (Skytrain). Note that the Evergreen Line Extension to Port Coquitlam is not on the diagram - so it would rank behind the other two extensions.



Note also this report regarding the purchase of 34 new MKII cars for delivery in 2009.

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa....5SkyTrain.pdf
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Old October 13th, 2006, 02:56 AM   #1332
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^ I don't think you can could have a split skytrain extension like that in surrey, that would make the service too infrequent to be useful. I heard Surrey is thinking of building a B-Line in the meantime and later and LRT line
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Old October 13th, 2006, 04:18 AM   #1333
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so wait, the skytrain will actually go to UBC??? thats so awesome.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 04:19 AM   #1334
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^ I don't think you can could have a split skytrain extension like that in surrey, that would make the service too infrequent to be useful. I heard Surrey is thinking of building a B-Line in the meantime and later and LRT line
you actually could. if they had less trains going from Waterfront to VCC but rather to Waterfront to King George, and the M-Line trains terminating at Columbia and turning back to VCC....there could be high frequency on the Surrey SkyTrain stretch.

but i don't understand how the Canada Line could have a peak frequency of 3 minutes.....isn't it technically possible to have it run every 90 secs in Vancouver and 180 secs in Richmond and YVR?
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Old October 13th, 2006, 04:47 AM   #1335
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so wait, the skytrain will actually go to UBC??? thats so awesome.
But it might not be skytrain... Nothing is determined at this point. I would think the "extension" from the document means an extension rapid transit, not specifically to skytrain.

I thought the corrider in Surrey was suppose to be implemented as BRT in 2013, then change to LRT later.

This is from the 2007 transportation plan (http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/boa...Attachment.pdf)

West Broadway Rapid Transit Planning Study
In fall 2007, TransLink proposes to initiate a planning study for the extension of rapid transit to the Central Broadway Business District and beyond to the University of BC. The study will examine technologies, phasing, corridors, capital and operating costs, and ridership and revenue projections. The alternatives analysis will be completed in early 2009.

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Old October 13th, 2006, 04:54 AM   #1336
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i would highly support that for the long run, even though initially it may not seem overly prrofitable. in the long term it will be best, to build now and enjoy the impact it brings to the region of the city, rather than building it once u need it more say 15-20 years or w/e, when the rest of the city is crisscrossed by skytrain and better developed and this stretch is only served by a rapid bus or w/e its called. plus it will be a cool way to get to college
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Old October 13th, 2006, 06:26 AM   #1337
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Surrey extension () or Western extension... Hmmmmm... Which one should they build first? I actually think the Western extension should be built even before the Evergreen line. Seems to me it would be an instant success. I just hope they can figure out how to do it and come up with the money. Ideally, it would be skytrain technology continuing from VCC. You'd figure that would be another couple billion if they go underground. I can't see any other way of doing it properly.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 07:37 AM   #1338
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I sure hope they build the western extension. 99 B-lines are incredibly full during peak hours. And it would also encourage more students (like me) to take the skytrain to school, reducing the load on the many bus routes such as 41, 480, 25, etc...
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Old October 13th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #1339
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Severe Overcrowding on 99B (Including OFF-Peak hours)

Just to add to the last comment about the 99B line being full during PEAK hours. In the past 2 years of daily commute on the 99B Line (end to end), I've noticed that there is an increasing number of overcrowding/pass-ups even during NON-Peak hours. I don't know why that is becoming the trend but I am starting to get the feeling that overcrowding on the 99B is occurring at many times of the day.

Today at about 12:55PM the 99B left Commercial Drive fully packed as well, though there weren't any pass-ups, luckily.

This evening I left UBC on 99B at 6:35PM fully packed. It didn't stop at the UBC Village (about a dozen people waiting) and didn't open the front doors at Macdonald (about 20 or so people). It took about 2-3 mintues to pack everyone on when the bus got to Granville. LUCKILY, there were only about a few people at Willow, Cambie and Main and they all got on.

This past summer I had summer school. My class ended at 9:20PM. I leave immediately after class to find long line ups for the 99B (just like PM rush hour) and the same things happen this late at night...pass ups and overcrowding. This happened every Tuesday/Thursday from May-June 2006 (I suspect that it's the same on the other days throughout the summer, but don't know about the situation now)

Maybe it's time to review the definition of peak hours.
For the 99B: off peak = peak hours; peak hours = EXTREME peak hours??!!

I don't know if it may be selfish to think that the "Western Extension" have priority over all the other planned projects but the corridor is undoubtedly over-over-over-capacity right now.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 10:33 AM   #1340
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the 98 B-Line has a daily ridership of 60,000, and yet the Evergreen Line still has priority over the Western UBC extension.
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