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Old October 13th, 2006, 11:26 PM   #1341
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and the M-Line trains terminating at Columbia and turning back to VCC....there could be high frequency on the Surrey SkyTrain stretch.

but i don't understand how the Canada Line could have a peak frequency of 3 minutes.....isn't it technically possible to have it run every 90 secs in Vancouver and 180 secs in Richmond and YVR?
M-Line trains terminating at Columbia would still cause a problem though, because using that stretch of the Expo Line as a tail-track for reversing trains would actually cause more delays than just interlining M-line and Expo Line trains. I tend to think that if the M-Line were truncated at Columbia, a third track would have to be built at Columbia.

WRT Canada Line frequencies - uhh, because they aren't running the line at maximum frequency... (i.e. energy savings, wear and tear, etc.)
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Old October 14th, 2006, 03:44 AM   #1342
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M-Line trains terminating at Columbia would still cause a problem though, because using that stretch of the Expo Line as a tail-track for reversing trains would actually cause more delays than just interlining M-line and Expo Line trains. I tend to think that if the M-Line were truncated at Columbia, a third track would have to be built at Columbia.

WRT Canada Line frequencies - uhh, because they aren't running the line at maximum frequency... (i.e. energy savings, wear and tear, etc.)
a third track would be nice, and it would also mean renovations to the Columbia Station platforms.....that place is a bomb shelter.

oh, ok. thanks for clearing the Canada Line frequency up.
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Old October 14th, 2006, 04:25 AM   #1343
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Peculiar map -- another colour's needed to solve the loopy line -- will four trains ultimately be necessary between Port Moody and Surrey? There's something gushy about the map, it oozes that big-talk-essentially-hailing-from-whisperings sludge.
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Old October 14th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #1344
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Peculiar map -- another colour's needed to solve the loopy line -- will four trains ultimately be necessary between Port Moody and Surrey? There's something gushy about the map, it oozes that big-talk-essentially-hailing-from-whisperings sludge.

^ The map still doesnt cover most parts of the lower mainland.. still lots of gaps!
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Old October 15th, 2006, 11:32 AM   #1345
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M-Line trains terminating at Columbia would still cause a problem though, because using that stretch of the Expo Line as a tail-track for reversing trains would actually cause more delays than just interlining M-line and Expo Line trains. I tend to think that if the M-Line were truncated at Columbia, a third track would have to be built at Columbia.

WRT Canada Line frequencies - uhh, because they aren't running the line at maximum frequency... (i.e. energy savings, wear and tear, etc.)
Could the m-line terminus (if...) at Columbia be built under the existing tracks...sort of as a continuation of the tunnel from Sapperton?
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Old October 16th, 2006, 10:54 PM   #1346
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will four trains ultimately be necessary between Port Moody and Surrey?
If Surrey is built out as an LRT, then yes, 3 transfers would be required to travel from Port Moody to Surrey. Under any scenario, there would be a transfer at Columbia. Conceivably, with the third track in place, if the Evergreen Line were Skytrain, there could have been a through routing from Port Moody to Columbia, but with the Evergreen Line there will be a transfer. If the Surrey extensions are LRT, that forces another transfer.

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Columbia Station is actually in more of a trench than a tunnel - so a third platform would essentially be an expansion of the trench - not sure what the contraints would be though. The M-Line tunnel ends east of the Skybridge approach. Apparently Translink is having problems with the landlord of the building at Columbia Station - who has not fulfilled its obligation to maintain elevator access to the station.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 03:48 AM   #1347
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why the hell does the millenium line loop through the same station.... so odd.... once the new lines are built, the expo and millenium line should look like this:

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Old October 17th, 2006, 04:02 AM   #1348
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and here are my ideas for the future:



Light Blue: goes from Surrey extension along Expo line, split off and goes underground after Kingsway at Tyne Dr. You can call it the Olympic Line.

purple: tram line basicallly replacing the planned B-95 bus line, bc trams have higher peak capacity and people moving capability, have greater right of way privledges (more efficient), use electricity vs. [bio]diesel, look much cooler, etc. but primarily due to increased passenger transport. meets with evergreen line, goes long same tracks for a while, than splits off for port coquiltam. Call it Coquiltam Line.

Dark Red: Possible extension of Canada Line to serve more people. perhpas underground.

once all of these are employed, Vancouver is pretty much set. and definitely has something to brag about.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 05:41 AM   #1349
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why the hell does the millenium line loop through the same station.... so odd.... once the new lines are built, the expo and millenium line should look like this:

That's the "T" line that is in the regional plan - to allow cross commuting from Surrey to Coquitlam.
The M-Line was supposed to be LRT, but the NDP government of the day changed it to Skytrain. The line was supposed to be along Broadway and out to Coquitlam (via the Evergreeen route), with the branch to New West built later. But the switch to Skytrain meant that the line had to hook up to the maintenance yard on the old Expo Line - so the branch to New West was built first instead of later. The Evergreen route was to be Skytrain (the "PMC Line - for Port Moody Coquitlam), but the Liberal govenment that took over from the NDP cancelled it due to increasing costs and Translink then favoured a return to LRT which also has increasing costs.

BTW - the M-Line cannot currently route over the Skybridge to Surrey as the branch is a wye, not a triangle. A new set of switches would be required. Your plan would also require a lot of shortturn trains, as the busier parts of the Expo Line are nearer Metrotown and you've got route doubling up in north Surrey where there may not be a demand for higher frequency.

On you second map, the dark red line can't be underground because Richmond has a high water table. There is an old railway right-of-way that exists to Steveston - if you "flip" your dark red line it would place it on the old ROW.
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Old October 18th, 2006, 03:33 AM   #1350
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thx for the info, and the dark red direction of the bend doesnt really matter too much, just as long as it gets to the southern part. and its cool to know theres a railway right-of-way along the route, i guess it should be above-ground anyways bc the line to that point is way up in the air anyways.

what do u say bout the light blue line in the 2nd map?
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Old October 18th, 2006, 03:59 AM   #1351
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thx for the info, and the dark red direction of the bend doesnt really matter too much, just as long as it gets to the southern part. and its cool to know theres a railway right-of-way along the route, i guess it should be above-ground anyways bc the line to that point is way up in the air anyways.

what do u say bout the light blue line in the 2nd map?
Unlikely to go out to coquitlam as tram b/c Burnaby mountain is in the middle and that doesn't really work that well.... However, I think some sort of Rapid transit is in the works for the hastings corridor eventually, though probably maybe only to centenial park or so? Probably as extension of the planned downtown light rail system....
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Old October 18th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #1352
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WRT the light blue line - I think a B-Line bus route is in the works for 41st Ave.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 04:29 AM   #1353
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Sullivan wonders why Broadway to UBC SkyTrain route requires further study

October 18, 2006 - 3:33 pm
By: Nikki Pena and Maria Weisgarber

COQUITLAM (NEWS1130) - Vancouver's Mayor is wondering why more studies need to done regarding the need for SkyTrain down West Broadway to UBC. Sam Sullivan says the level of demand along the corridor seems obvious already. "What would stop us from just moving forward and getting into the design so that we can be ready as soon as possible when more funding should come?"

That's a sentiment being echoed by his Non Partisan Association colleague, Councillor Peter Ladner who says the project should move ahead full steam. "We should be pushing ahead, preparing ourselves, being ready if and when senior government funding arrives."

TransLink is planning a study on expanding SkyTrain to UBC and the research is expected to get underway in the new year. TransLink staff say a previous study of the corridor doesn't take into account ridership factors like the U-Pass and the Canada Line. SkyTrain was supposed to have been expanded west along Broadway by this year.

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Evergreen Line not dead yet, TransLink approves next step

October 18, 2006 - 3:40 pm
By: Maria Weisgarber

COQUITLAM (NEWS1130) - TransLink has decided to go ahead with the next step for the Evergreen Line. The board has approved $16 million for a detailed design even though a funding shortfall is still threatening to derail the transit project. TransLink still has to make up a $400 million funding gap by April 2007 so that construction can begin next fall. If the money doesn't come together, the entire project could be shelved.

Concerns have been raised on the fact there's been no funding committment from either the federal or provincial governments, but TransLink chair Malcolm Brodie says now is not the time to falter. "To me the only question is, when are those funds going to arrive from senior levels of government and we've got to continue the work on that and be as assertive as we can to make sure that this plan succeeds."

Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini believes shelling out for the next phase of the project is an unavoidable step. "If we don't, then we let the provincial and federal government off the hook. They would be able to say, 'Well, this is obviously not a priority for them.'"

TransLink plans to ask for meetings with Transportation Ministers from both levels of government. Victoria has called the line a priority but Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon hasn't even committed to matching a federal contribution, let alone pitching in more provincial dollars. Falcon has reportedly said he is nervous about pushing another billion dollar project into the pipeline when there are so many other megaprojects underway right now in BC.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:52 AM   #1354
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New pics from the Canada Line website:

Sea Island looking west to YVR:



Sea Island looking east to the Arthur Laing Bridge approach and the Middle Arm Bridge:



Sea Island looking to the Arthur Laing Bridge approach and the Middle Arm Bridge:



East of Bridgeport Station heading towards the Middle Arm Bridge to YVR

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Old October 31st, 2006, 04:05 AM   #1355
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Found some station renderings at the Hotson Bakker website:

http://www.hotsonbakker.com/canadaline.html

Canada Line - King Edward, 41st Avenue, 49th Avenue Stations
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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The Canada Line is a largely subterranean, fully automated rapid transit system that will link downtown Vancouver with the airport and the City of Richmond. The system will consist of sixteen stations distributed along a 19-kilometer spine. At-grade entries will service established and emerging neighborhoods alike. Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden is the Architect and Coordinating Professional for the three stations within the South Cambie segment. This portion of the line is largely residential with concentrated nodes of commercial development. Our commitment to South Cambie stems from the knowledge that appropriate growth anddiversification of the segment are likely outcomes.

Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden has also been working with a select group of Canada Line architects to develop an appropriate architectural response for the entire system. This includes sourcing and defining a suitable materials palette and establishing the direction of design exploration within various building systems.The Canada Line combines our ability to deliver eloquent solutions to complex technical problems with our commitment to city building at its most fundamental level.

King Edward:


41st Avenue:


49th Avenue:


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Old November 1st, 2006, 01:07 AM   #1356
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For the King Edward Station, would it be possible to build anything on top of the station building in the future?
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Old November 1st, 2006, 06:45 AM   #1357
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Yes, that's the plan.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 05:04 AM   #1358
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More Sea Island pics from the Canada Line website - they start assembling sections over the Arthur Laing Bridge tomorrow night:









YVR media event (pouring of the last column @YVR, I think).
Notice how narrow the column tops are for the single track guideway:





This is the column (not sure why the ceremony - they still have station columns to build)

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Old November 2nd, 2006, 05:57 AM   #1359
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Was on SkyTrain the other day. It was around 1pm and I got on at Granville and went to Broadway. By the time the train even reached me at Granville the train was packed, as usual.
I understand there is an order of ne MK11 cars on the way in 2007. Will these new trains actually add lenghth to the current trains or just replace older
MK1 trains.
I read an artcle in the Sun that the SkyTrain between Main & Broadway are over capacity. Its not that its overcapacity but rather the trains are so small. Is there going to be an increase in the length of the trains?
I know right now the stations can carry 6 MK1 cars and 2 MK11 and the stations were designed to be easily converted to accomodate 8 MK11.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 05:58 AM   #1360
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Does anyone know about the situation for the number of exits each station will have? And where will they be exactly located? Will there be an exit inside Oakridge Centre (41st) without going outside first?

If anyone has any more details about any of the stations, please inform us
I hope Translink has detailed plans for them here...
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