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Old November 2nd, 2006, 12:13 PM   #1361
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Go to the Canada Line website. There are plans posted there from both the preliminary and the detailed public consultations held last year and earlier this year:

http://www.canadaline.ca/

Click on "Public Consultation" then look at the pdfs for the 1st and 2nd round of consultation - the 1st round has clearer scans.

Only Waterfront (2) and Vancouver City Centre (3?) will have multiple entrances to start.
Oakridge's entrance will be to the plaza (better access to buses and at all hours), but the owner of the mall may build (and pay for) an underground connection. Check the plans to see if there is a "knock-out" panel.

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The new MKIIs will probably be used to create 4 car MKII trains. There are no current plans to lengthen the platforms (though they can be lengthened to hold an 8 car MKI train). The current 80 m Skytrain platforms can hold a 6 car MKI train or a 4 car MKII train (if we had any MKII "C" cars (mid-train cars) the platform would hold a 5 car MKII train).
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 10:21 PM   #1362
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Found this pic of the Expo Line's new Granville Station passage.
This is at the upper platform level. The passge to the left goes directly to the platform to Burrard. The stairs, elevator and escalator are to/from the lower eastbound platform (to Stadium).

Note how the signs for the eastbound platform say "Eastbound - Surrey" as opposed to "King George" - that's a departure from convention.

Also strange is that I think up on street level, some of the font used for the wayfinding signs is like the yellow/blue M-Line sans-serif font, while the signs shown look here like the old style Expo Line serif font.


Photo by Matt from MetroBlogging Vancouver

http://vancouver.metblogs.com/archiv...tion_upd.phtml
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 02:55 AM   #1363
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 02:59 AM   #1364
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WOW - thanks!
Note that the wye at Bridgeport Station uses a flyover/underpass system (like east of Columbia) rather than a level track crossing (like was proposed for the PMC Line at Lougheed).
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@officedweller: all mkII cars should be either 3 or 5 carriages long, in my opinion, since u said that the current platforms can accomodate a 5 car MKII. and i mean all in one unit, not two short ones joined together. Just have 3-section or 5-section MKII's. that would look so awesome. and if the platform was extended, then you could have 6 or 7-section MKII's.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 03:25 AM   #1366
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WOW - thanks!
Note that the wye at Bridgeport Station uses a flyover/underpass system (like east of Columbia) rather than a level track crossing (like was proposed for the PMC Line at Lougheed).
It looks like the flyover/underpasses near Bridgeport are too close to the station....it wouldn't allow for major platform extensions.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 03:50 AM   #1367
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@officedweller: all mkII cars should be either 3 or 5 carriages long, in my opinion, since u said that the current platforms can accomodate a 5 car MKII. and i mean all in one unit, not two short ones joined together. Just have 3-section or 5-section MKII's. that would look so awesome. and if the platform was extended, then you could have 6 or 7-section MKII's.
Yeah - but currently Translink only has A and B units - cars with rounds ends - one front and one back that are linked in married pairs. There are not any plans to buy any C cars - middle cars that do not have the rounded ends. Because of the shape of the A and B cars and that they are married pairs, you cannot have an odd number of cars with the carriages that Translink currently has - it has to be by multiples of 2.
Even if it bought the C cars, I think the 5 car trains would be A-B*A-C-B, which would give them the flexibility of decoupling the trains into shorter trains for off-peak service, rather than A-C-C-C-B (like in the Paris Meteor or in Hong Kong). It would be cool though if they ordered a lot of the C cars - I wonder if the C cars would be cheaper?

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The switches on either side of Bridgeport station WILL limit the length of the platform extensions.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 04:19 AM   #1368
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The switches on either side of Bridgeport station WILL limit the length of the platform extensions.
That's extremely poor planning.
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sweet, thanks for that mr. x no. 3 road is gonna be dense...wow.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:18 AM   #1370
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That's extremely poor planning.
From InTransitBC's perspective, they're just meeting the spec. No need to build in expensive extras that you don't need to.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:24 AM   #1371
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thanks! but unfortunately my computer is too slow to open all those PDFs, taking me forever...

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Go to the Canada Line website. There are plans posted there from both the preliminary and the detailed public consultations held last year and earlier this year:

http://www.canadaline.ca/

Click on "Public Consultation" then look at the pdfs for the 1st and 2nd round of consultation - the 1st round has clearer scans.

Only Waterfront (2) and Vancouver City Centre (3?) will have multiple entrances to start.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 09:29 AM   #1372
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Then go to the Canada Line-specific thread in the Canada / BC forum - I think Mr. X posted a number of the pdfs in jpg form. Start at Page 7 and flip forward through the pages - esp. see pages 8, 9, 10 and 12.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=286568
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Yeah - but currently Translink only has A and B units - cars with rounds ends - one front and one back that are linked in married pairs. There are not any plans to buy any C cars - middle cars that do not have the rounded ends. Because of the shape of the A and B cars and that they are married pairs, you cannot have an odd number of cars with the carriages that Translink currently has - it has to be by multiples of 2.
Even if it bought the C cars, I think the 5 car trains would be A-B*A-C-B, which would give them the flexibility of decoupling the trains into shorter trains for off-peak service, rather than A-C-C-C-B (like in the Paris Meteor or in Hong Kong). It would be cool though if they ordered a lot of the C cars - I wonder if the C cars would be cheaper?
right this is what i meant, a ton of C cars like in paris or BART in SF.
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Why aren't we buying the C car?
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Any answers in regards to my question of new SkyTrain cars and how they will be used?
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Old November 5th, 2006, 12:42 AM   #1376
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Why aren't we buying the C car?
Does it even exist?
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Does it even exist?
they do exist.
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Any answers in regards to my question of new SkyTrain cars and how they will be used?
They will be used to add length, increase frequency on the M-Line (if Evergreen line ever got built), and increase the spare ratio to a "healthy" level. No MkI train is going to retire soon as they still have a good 10-15 years of life...
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they do exist.
Where? In blueprint form or is there a city actually running them?
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Where? In blueprint form or is there a city actually running them?
They are being built for KL's Kelana Jaya line. The KJ line originally has 35 trains, in two car formation like Skytrain's MKIIs. They have ordered 13 new trains in 4 car formations. The system runs on the same technology and build as Skytrain. Delivery for the new cars is 2009-ish.
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