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Old June 14th, 2005, 03:03 AM   #121
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That's NIMBY thinking. What if everybody around those 18 stations are thinking that too?

I'm dissapointed that there isn't a station at 16th avenue. It would attract more ridership there. It doesn't make sense to have such a huge gap between the Broadway and King Edward Stations.
Do you live around 16th? If so, you would realise crime is now already ridiculously high. I have had my car broken into 2 times last year, and no, I do not keep junk in it, and do leave the trays open. The average break in night consists of a min of 10 cars being broken into in a protected parkade. Furthermore, it is statistically proven that crime is higher near all skytrain stations.
There is a gap, albeit small. It takes less than 10 mins to walk from 16th to Broadway, and about 15 to King Edward. The Cambie bus will still run, and it takes less than 2 mins to get to Broadway...
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Old June 14th, 2005, 03:07 AM   #122
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Apparently it will NOT be SkyTrain technology.
Although the trains will be smaller it will be more like a standard heavy rail subway technology. They didn't go with Bombardier SkyTrain because, while the cars and trains maybe shorter than say TTC, they will be just as wide.
I talked to someone at RAV project and they said they wanted wider cars due to having so many people airport bound with luggage and they didn't think even the MK11 were appropriate.
It will be similar in tech to Atlanta's Metro, automated but standard heavy rail.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 03:44 AM   #123
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Does anyone know when renderings of the trains will come out or when the first trains will arrive in vancouver
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Old June 14th, 2005, 04:45 AM   #124
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They haven't released renderings of the new rail cars.......but here's Manila's automated LRT built by SNC Lavalin in 1998:





and London's automated DLR:



Credits: queetz.


Those are NOT the Automated Trains in Manila...

This is



Also The MRT-3 Wasn't built by SNC Lavalin only LRT-1 was
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Old June 14th, 2005, 06:00 AM   #125
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Couple of things -

There's no station at 16th because it's not technically feasible. The slope is too steep. If you require a station there with a long flat platform, the station at King Edward would have to be a lot deeper to lessen the grade between the stations - that would also make a station at 33rd Ave. too deep and too expensive (since it's solid rock there).
They can bore the tunnel and curve it into an 'S' formation to reduce the grade, can't they?
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Old June 14th, 2005, 08:19 AM   #126
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They can bore the tunnel and curve it into an 'S' formation to reduce the grade, can't they?
They probably could, but they're on a tight budget.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 08:23 AM   #127
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Does anyone know when renderings of the trains will come out or when the first trains will arrive in vancouver
The renderings and design should be coming out later this year or at the latest, early next year. Vehicle testing starts in May 2008 and full service testing will begin in September 2009, three months before the line opens for service.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 08:27 AM   #128
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Do you live around 16th? If so, you would realise crime is now already ridiculously high. I have had my car broken into 2 times last year, and no, I do not keep junk in it, and do leave the trays open. The average break in night consists of a min of 10 cars being broken into in a protected parkade. Furthermore, it is statistically proven that crime is higher near all skytrain stations.
There is a gap, albeit small. It takes less than 10 mins to walk from 16th to Broadway, and about 15 to King Edward. The Cambie bus will still run, and it takes less than 2 mins to get to Broadway...
I'm sorry. Even though I have no idea what it feels like to have your car broke in, twice, this is still NIMBY thinking. Keep in mind that NIMBYs have really stunt growth in our region. No offence, nothing personal towards you. Keep in mind that Translink will have an army of armed transit policemen on the trains soon and that RAV will either have turnstiles when constructed or will be built in a way so turnstiles can be built in in the future.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #129
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Apparently it will NOT be SkyTrain technology.
Although the trains will be smaller it will be more like a standard heavy rail subway technology. They didn't go with Bombardier SkyTrain because, while the cars and trains maybe shorter than say TTC, they will be just as wide.
I talked to someone at RAV project and they said they wanted wider cars due to having so many people airport bound with luggage and they didn't think even the MK11 were appropriate.
It will be similar in tech to Atlanta's Metro, automated but standard heavy rail.
I heard that too. From a RAV report early last year, they said the vehicles would be 3 metres wide. That's huge as we all have to remember that the Mark II's are just over 2 metres. And RAV will have three vehicles trains, each train having a capacity of 170 people. Compare that with the MkII's which can each hold 140 people.


How about something like this, NYC's Airtrains:




EDIT: The RAV spur line to YVR is also designed as the airport people mover.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 06:54 PM   #130
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Well, I must admit that's good news.
I wonder how they managed to get federal funding without using their favorite Quebec company, Bombardier.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 09:32 PM   #131
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Well, I must admit that's good news.
I wonder how they managed to get federal funding without using their favorite Quebec company, Bombardier.
1. Chretien's gone.

2. SNC-Lavalin is also based in Quebec.
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Old June 14th, 2005, 11:24 PM   #132
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The RAV trains won't be very long, so the extra width will definitely help with capacity.

As for a "s" curve (i.e. switchbacks), that would also require additional property acquisition, because it would divert under privately owned land, would increase maintenance costs, reduce speeds and increase travelling time.

The Broadway station platform will really be centred on 10th Ave - so that's not that far from the commercial area - it may even encourage redevelopment of the blocks between 12th and 16th - i.e. there's a strip mall in there. The station will definitely have an entrance to Broadway - to connect with buses, but I'm not sure though whether there will be a south entrance - hopefully there will be. The City also owns the lot north of City Hall, so there will likely be an entrance from the south eventually, if not when the line opens.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 02:58 AM   #133
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They will probably make allowances or build into the system knowing the Millenium line will get there so it will have to be an easy interchange.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 03:13 AM   #134
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I hope that RAV will have shorter cars with a higher frequency, unlike Toronto which has really long trains but you have to wait 15 miniutes or more for a train sometimes.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 03:23 AM   #135
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I hope that RAV will have shorter cars with a higher frequency, unlike Toronto which has really long trains but you have to wait 15 miniutes or more for a train sometimes.
Um, no, GO trains non-peak run every hour. So commutter train wise, RAV takes it. RAV frequencies are more like the TTC subway, where non peak trains run 4-5 minutes (assumming no backloging happens - ie, you'll have to wait for a train, but then they come in droves), which is why RAV is a hybrid commutter/rapid transit line.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 03:26 AM   #136
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GO is more like WCE and SkyTrain is the same as SRT.

Interesting, Mumbai is thinking of develpoing a new mass transit.......SkyBus.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 03:31 AM   #137
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GO is more like WCE and SkyTrain is the same as SRT.

Interesting, Mumbai is thinking of develpoing a new mass transit.......SkyBus.
where did u find this out?
would it be like skytrain, but only on rubber tires, or actual busses on an elevated guideway?
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Old June 15th, 2005, 03:34 AM   #138
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GO is more like WCE and SkyTrain is the same as SRT.
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I agree, but don't forget that SRT services primarily suburban as well.

I hope they use MKII (simiar in style) as they look very sleek. The airtrain (airport) line in NYC doesn't look like it will age well and are not as attractive of MKII.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 04:46 AM   #139
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Can the trains on the existing SkyTrain lines be longer than the Mark II's?
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The MK11 are not only sleeker looking but brighter, wider, smoother, and quieter.......they are light years ahead of the MK1.
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