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Old January 28th, 2007, 08:12 AM   #1481
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Do you know if the Canada Line Rotem vehicles will have these "steerable bogies"?
I don't know. I actually never heard of Rotem until this project came along.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 08:23 AM   #1482
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Just went to the Rotem website, and here is the bogie info of the light rail vehicle the Canada Line will be using:

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BOLSTERLESS BOGIE

Bogie spring suspension technical details such as axlebox suspension stiffness have been optimized through high-precision dynamic simulations to achieve a perfect balance between the conflicting characteristics of high-speed stability and curving performance essential for high-speed operations. A bolsterless secondary suspension and aluminum gear case and axle boxes reduces weight, while large-scale FEM stress analysis linked to 3-dimensional CAD systems successfully achieve high reliability. Resonance at the main rotational vibration frequencies has been eliminated through experimental modal analysis and FEM vibration analysis, reducing interior noise by preventing the transmission of rotational vibration from the propulsion system via the bogie frame. Performance testing was also carried out at the same time using a rotation test rig combining full-size carbodies and bogies.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 08:43 AM   #1483
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One thing I've always wondered, and I'd like it clear up.....will ridership at YVR count as the overall Canada Line ridership? If I remember correctly, at YVR the line is free to employees and passengers.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #1484
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With 80 metre platforms, peak maximum frequencies of 90 seconds, this is SkyTrain at its worse - Celebration of Light fireworks and system breakdowns. I'd hate to see how the Canada Line will cope in these same two situations.



Celebration of Light fireworks - crowds wait to get into Waterfront Station
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Daily rush hour and breakdowns
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Now just imagine, the Canada Line platforms will be 40 and 50 metres long. This is a 80 metre station at Commercial:
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Old January 28th, 2007, 07:29 PM   #1485
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Just went to the Rotem website, and here is the bogie info of the light rail vehicle the Canada Line will be using:
This is a Hitachi bogie system, isn't it? Is Rotem using bogies from Hatachi, or is this just a similar type?
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Old January 28th, 2007, 07:39 PM   #1486
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With 80 metre platforms, peak maximum frequencies of 90 seconds, this is SkyTrain at its worse - Celebration of Light fireworks and system breakdowns. I'd hate to see how the Canada Line will cope in these same two situations.



Celebration of Light fireworks - crowds wait to get into Waterfront Station
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During the Celebration of light you can expect even longer line-ups at downtown Canada Line Stations.

Daily rush hour and breakdowns
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Now just imagine, the Canada Line platforms will be 40 and 50 metres long. This is a 80 metre station at Commercial:
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Wow, are these normal daily weekday rushhour crowds? Sheesh... this is what the Canada line will look like on opening day if the projections are right.

How many bus lines will be replaced/modified after it opens? Will the 98 B-Line still run on Granville? Will suburban routes be shifted to the Richmond Centre Staion?
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Old January 28th, 2007, 09:09 PM   #1487
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This is a Hitachi bogie system, isn't it? Is Rotem using bogies from Hatachi, or is this just a similar type?
No, Rotem isn't using Hitachi bogies. I'm just assuming that third rail bogerless bogies are all the same or at least very similar. Rotem is a division of Hyundai.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 09:18 PM   #1488
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Wow, are these normal daily weekday rushhour crowds? Sheesh... this is what the Canada line will look like on opening day if the projections are right.

How many bus lines will be replaced/modified after it opens? Will the 98 B-Line still run on Granville? Will suburban routes be shifted to the Richmond Centre Staion?
Yes, some are normal daily weekday rushour crowds. Think about it....the Expo Line carries 180,000 passengers each day over a 28 km stretch (6,428 passengers per km or 9,000 per station). The Canada Line has a projection of 100,000 daily passengers over a stretch of 19 km (5,263 per km or 6,250 per station). And yet we're running trains with a fraction of the frequency the Expo Line has plus one Canada Line train equals a 4-car Mark I train.....and with only 20 trains.

There will be less frequency on the north-south bus routes: Granville, Oak, Cambie (obviously), and Main. The 98 B-Line will shut down and its ridership will be transplanted onto the Canada Line and several bus routes will be cancelled. Suburban routes will terminate at the new Bridgeport Station bus loop instead of downtown. All of this is to transplant bus ridership into a tiny rapid transit rail line.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 10:31 PM   #1489
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No, Rotem isn't using Hitachi bogies. I'm just assuming that third rail bogerless bogies are all the same or at least very similar. Rotem is a division of Hyundai.
Oh great, we get Hyundai transit cars. Remember the Pony? Just kidding
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Old January 31st, 2007, 03:11 AM   #1490
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TransLink pulls 39 new trolley buses out of service
Tuesday, January 30 - 03:42:00 PM Reshmi Nair

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Taking the bus could pose a greater challenge than usual today and tomorrow. TransLink has confirmed 39 of the brand new trolley buses have been pulled from service because of power steering problems.

Drew Snider with TransLink is asking customers to be patient. "Leave a little earlier than normal...chances are , you're going to see the buses a little bit more crowded than usual because of the delays, so just be aware of that." Snider says commuters may experience some gaps between buses today as well as tomorrow morning.

Snider says diesel buses have been brought in to help on those routes affected. The new trolley buses are under warranty and mechanics are working on the problem.
I fail to see why the trolley buses need a separate power steering module compared to the rest of the newer buses. Is this due to the trolley being among the first redesigned New Flyer bus?

EDIT: If you watch the news on Global, there is a sneak shot of the new E60LFR (articulated trolley!)

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New E60LFRs coming soon:
source: http://bbs.hangzhou.com.cn/viewthrea...extra=page%3D1









2501 appears to be in Vancouver now (I saw the same number on the Global news, but they hid the back part of it unlike in the news intro)
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Old January 31st, 2007, 05:12 AM   #1492
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^ THAT LOOKS SO NICE!!!!! I wonder what routes it'll serve? I'd imagine some would go along the Main Street route as well as the 99 B-Line UBC?
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Not too sure myself, but probably the very crowded ones. I don't think it will be on the 99 route though, as the other trolleys will hold it up significantly (it will probably be the 9 to UBC on Broadway however).
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Old January 31st, 2007, 11:21 PM   #1494
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I think the City's Streetcar page has been updated - I don't remember seeing these track maps before:

http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/transpor.../AppendixB.pdf
http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/transpor.../AppendixC.pdf

Main streetcar update site:

http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/transpor...jectUpdate.htm
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Pics posted by Stephen Rees on Flickr of the Bridgeport Guideway - dated January 30, 2007

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Canada Line website pic of the tunnel under Davie Street - probably the curve leading to Granville St.:

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Old February 5th, 2007, 10:41 PM   #1497
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Came across this in the Vancouver Sun today - a seminar next monday:

The Role of Rail Transit in Making Cities Sustainable
Vukan Vuchic
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Old February 6th, 2007, 06:40 AM   #1498
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i saw on the news today that Vancouver has had to bring in busses from Whistler and Abbotsford to help out while those 39 busses are pulled out and that bus tranist these days is pretty bad with long waits etc
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Whistler has city buses?
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yep.....there are ski racks on the side of the buses.
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