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Old May 22nd, 2007, 09:30 AM   #1641
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It's disappointing to see that most of the stations (if not all?) will only have single entrances. I can understand not needing them for a lot of the less central stations, but at locations such as Broadway/City Hall it'd be nice to see entrances on opposite sides of the street and stuff like that... especially considering that that particular station will hopefully be an interchange station someday, if they ever build the extension to the Millennium Line down Broadway. Seems as if they're thinking on a disappointingly small scale with this project in a few ways - ie. platform length, train length, station design... etc.

Nonetheless, I'm still a big fan of the Canada Line.
Yea, it's quite dissapointing....and amazingly, it'll still cost $2 bilion. o_o

I'm sure that in a few years, when the line is near completion or is completed, there will be a public outcry on why such short platforms, thus short trains, were built. I promise you.




Regarding a second station entrance for Broadway-City Hall. There is a second entrance planned. The Canada Line station platform there will have a knockout panel there for a second north entrance to the Crossroads Development on the northwest corner of Cambie and Broadway. The city made sure that Crossroads would make space in their development for a future station entrance (which would also be used by the future Millennium SkyTrain extension).
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i am happy for vancouver getting a new rail line keep it up its turning out to be promising go Winter Olympics in 2010
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 10:31 AM   #1643
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It's disappointing to see that most of the stations (if not all?) will only have single entrances. I can understand not needing them for a lot of the less central stations, but at locations such as Broadway/City Hall it'd be nice to see entrances on opposite sides of the street and stuff like that... especially considering that that particular station will hopefully be an interchange station someday, if they ever build the extension to the Millennium Line down Broadway. Seems as if they're thinking on a disappointingly small scale with this project in a few ways - ie. platform length, train length, station design... etc.

Nonetheless, I'm still a big fan of the Canada Line.
keep in mind, its canada,
we're cheap people here
we're also stupid people here
i still dont understand how those such...crappy designs can get approved..
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keep in mind, its canada,
we're cheap people here
we're also stupid people here
i still dont understand how those such...crappy designs can get approved..
yup, all we need is healthcare and education.....and for all the money we drain into them, we still don't have the best systems in the world.


i don't think it's the Canada Line has crappy designs......look at the Expo Line, it was built for the World's Fair and it generally has crappy designs. All the stations have the exact same designs. The Canada Line in a way follows suit, has stations grouped into design themes with different architects. The only thing I'm dissapointed about is the platform lengths. At the least, we should've had 60 metre platforms (or at the very least, expandable to 60 metres). What would've been ideal would be platforms that are 80 metres long, expandable to 100 metres. And an extra plus would've been building Waterfront Station really deep so we can keep an option open of extending the line in the future to the North Shore.
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Old May 24th, 2007, 10:13 AM   #1645
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Well, I would hesitate to call us stupid, but we're short sighted for certain. We often lack a big picture, 100 year, perspective, though I think that is often times due to the shortage of funding that cities receive in Canada. I fully agree with the petition from the mayors of the largest cities in Canada to dedicate 1% of GST revenues to cities. Cities in Canada lack the taxation powers to raise significant money to develop infrastructure to the level where they can be globally competitive metropolises. If it were an issue of continuous subway building, perhaps we wouldn't have to worry about scaring the public with massive, multi billion dollar price tags whenever we wanted to expand the urban rail network. Instead of doing it in big chunks like the Canada Line project, we could be doing a few stops at a time, but in a way that is fairly continuous. Perhaps that way, much like our road construction is dealt with (on a continuous basis) we wouldn't have to worry about scaring people and cheap out whenever we wanted to improve urban rail service. How often do we build entirely new freeways? Rarely, if ever, and never, thankfully, in Vancouver. The Canada Line is supposedly equivalent to a 10 lane road going between Richmond and Vancouver... how often do we build roads of that width all at once, in a 20 some-odd KM chunk? Do we often hear of citizen uproars when a single freeway interchange is built cause it's prohibitively expensive?

Our problem, I think, is an economic/structural one, in which our municipalities lack the funding guarantees to do things in a timely manner, at a scale which makes financial sense and doesn't require special funding from several levels of government. If we were building things a few stops at a time we could better afford to do things correctly... that is, if cities get funding that is in accord with their importance within our society. It would take longer to build large lines, but if we kept up our efforts to improve urban rail networks (much like they keep up their efforts to improve highways and freeways) we would, in time, have a far more functional and efficient transit system in many of our major cities.

In terms of urban infrastructure development, Canada is rather pathetic in comparison to nations of similar levels of wealth in Western Europe. Many nations in South East Asia outshine Canada in this regard too.

Obviously something needs to change in Canada...
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Old May 24th, 2007, 10:31 AM   #1646
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^ i agree with you about the short sightedness and the fact cities need more money from governments.....i envy how much advanced the Europeans and Asians are. the GST idea is a great idea.

but if we were to build rapid transit rail lines stations by stations at a time, in the end the final cost would be much higher than building it all at once. not to mention there's the complication of expensive automatic train reprogramming every time we open a new section of the line....and there are also things like remaking and redistributing maps each and every time.

it would be impossible to implement this for the Canada Line.....we couldn't have started building from Waterfront and finished at Broadway.....it wouldn't have been operationally feasible. the only way would be to build the line from Waterfront to Richmond Centre and have the airport section as another future phase, or from Waterfront to YVR since the airport is providing $300 million for the airport span and leave the Richmond span for future expansion.

but just look at the Millennium Line. it got too expensive so the North-East Sector and UBC spans of it were postponed.....and now we hardly hear about it anymore. NES is now an LRT that will probably be cancelled due to lack of funding and who knows when we'll see the UBC extension.

phase construction COULD work for the UBC extension, though you should note that a boring tunnel will be required to construct it.....and u can't exactly build new boring machine pits every time you open a new station since you need to build a boring machine pit and those are expensive and spacious.

your road analogy is flawed. we repair roads continuously, but when do we ever build new roads by phases? new highways are built around the world overnight (in a few years). it's like building a bridge in phases and then opening it even though it only crosses half of the bay. what's the use of that if it doesn't get you from point A to point B?
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Old May 24th, 2007, 11:36 AM   #1647
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What I meant by constant roadway construction was our tendency to add interchanges to existing freeways, and to widen roads as needed (or ten years after it's needed). To add piecemeal improvements to existing infrastructure is the point I was trying to get across. It seems they're always adding interchanges to, or making changes to the Trans Canada on the eastern fringes of the GVRD.

On that note, you're right in your assertion that the Canada Line wouldn't have worked as a four stop extension from Waterfront to Broadway. I know that line is the topic of this thread, but I guess in my last post I was speaking more generally in terms of urban rail expansion. In many cities ( Toronto and Montreal for example) it might make sense to add smaller (non-mega project) extensions. I may be be guilty of misrepresenting my ideas, but I didn't really mean extension on a stop by stop basis, but rather in three or five stop chunks, or what ever makes sense in terms of ridership and economics and geography.

The Millennium Line perhaps would fit this bill... For instance, to me it seems silly that they don't immediately drag the line from VCC Clark to Broadway for an interchange station with the Canada Line now that they have the engineering expertise and equipment assembled. I realize that all of the construction and funding is being done on a contractual basis, but I guess this is another example of short sightedness, or price shyness.... I'm sure that it would have been cheaper in the long run to get the two lines connected at the same time than to hook them up separately.

That aside, with the existence of the Canada Line, it would then make sense to extend the Millennium Line to Broadway in a three stop chunk, and then another three stop chunk to Arbutus or McDonald at a later date. Then, hopefully onward to UBC. Of course, if the cities in Canada had a secure source of funding for projects like this, they could be making three year plans on transit that allowed for virtually continuous construction in this manner.

As for the construction of the Millennium Line, according to City of Vancouver documents (I'd link them, but I'm extremely slothful) they count the Broadway Extension as one of their top priorities. Still, we're looking at a horizon of well beyond 2010 for that one.

Sigh... if only we had a reliable yearly influx of a few more hundred million to count on.....
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Old May 25th, 2007, 02:15 AM   #1648
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^ i agree with you then. btw, welcome to skyscrapercity!!!

unfortunately, RAVCo only specified a system with a ultimate capacity of 15,000 pphpd. they made a huge mistake by not specifying platform lengths but they did specify the train widths for some reason, 3 metres.

so, the private contractor and future operator for 35 years made loops around the deal, seeing where they can short cut it. 15,000 pphpd can only be achieved if the station platforms are all extended to 50 metres and if a middle 10-metre "C-car" is purchased to fit in between the two-20 metre car trains. There are two train frequency plans (look at the first page of this topic). The initial plan calls for frequencies close to 4 minutes in Vancouver and about 8 minutes at Richmond and YVR, as the line spurs and the two spur lines funnel into double the frequency in Vancouver. The second plan calls for about 3 minutes in Vancouver and 6 minutes a YVR/Richmond. The 2nd plan (12,000 pphpd) will be in place when there is more ridership, but when the line opens in 2009 the initial plan (8,000 pphpd) will be in place.

Quite sad actually.

Though some have said since we built a low-capacity line, we could always build or upgrade the future Arbutus corridor streetcar into our second north-south LRT line....it's certainly an option.
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Track work leading into the OMC.


Operations and Maintenance Centre (OMC) Work Continues in Bridgeport

Construction of the Canada Line’s Operations and Maintenance Centre (OMC) is underway near River Drive in the Bridgeport area of Richmond.

To date, crews have completed concrete works for the foundation and main floor of the OMC, and the framework for the traction power substation building (which will provide power to the Canada Line vehicles). Ongoing construction activity includes foundation and column work for the elevated guideway and east abutment for the OMC, track installation work within the works yard and structural steel framework for the OMC.

Scheduled to begin during the month of June 2007 - upon completion of the remaining steel structure work for the OMC - crews will begin the building finishes stage for the OMC. This stage includes installation of concrete floors,
insulation, mechanical and electrical wiring, exterior and interior walls, roofing, windows, interior and exterior doors, exterior cladding, painting, lighting, flooring and general finishing activity.

Also scheduled to begin in mid-summer 2007, BC Hydro will conduct electrical work on the traction power substation. Further updates on construction activity for the OMC will be available in the fall of 2007.

The OMC will house personnel and equipment for the management, maintenance and operation of the Canada Line and its fleet of trains. The main building of the OMC consists of two levels: the ground level (maintenance shops and support facilities) and the second level (administrative offices and operations and control centre). The OMC will be approximately 7,300 m2 and will employ approximately 250 people.
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Old May 25th, 2007, 07:49 AM   #1650
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Transit needs to get out of political decisions, for example NDP built M-Line and when the Liberals came in, they cancelled the rest of the M-Line (to Coquitlam) and now we have this streetcar (aka Evergreen Line "light rail") proposal that is probably dead.

Translink should be run like a non-profit organization like YVR. Look how successful YVR is now compared to its government-run days.

As for Evergreen Line, I hope it never gets built in its current form, its not going to take cars off the street. I don't think people are going to be impressed when the streetcar they are riding in stops at a traffic light just like regular cars do.

I think SkyTrain is a world-class system.....with 3rd world service and operations. Just look at the Expo Line and how many stations look so run down and feels "unsafe". You aren't going to attract more users if people are scared of getting attacked at stations.

Because of the lack of controlled access to the system (i.e. fare barriers/turnstiles), the entire Expo Line is like a free ride for bums/criminals/addicts, as it goes through the areas where these people are: Downtown/Main St/New West/Whalley.

The stations should get more retail built in (not just a single crappy "smoke shop" in the corner), real shops that could provide convinience, if you have seen the systems of Asia you would know what I am talking about. Like a 7-Eleven, etc.

Regarding the current stations, I think they are poorly planned but look great architecturally (applies to M-Line only). While other cities have stations with MULTIPLE entry points and ONE single path into the controlled access station area (i.e fare paid zone). SkyTrain has *mostly* ONE entry per station and MULTIPLE access to the fare paid zone/platforms. For example, an elevator on poorly lit ground floor with a stop on the "normal" ticketing floor and the final stop on the platform. Does anyone see anything wrong with this concept?

I also wonder when the much talked about smart card will come into service, its sad but I think that even Seattle will have a smart card before Vancouver. Why do we still have to fumble around with change in 2007?
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Transit needs to get out of political decisions, for example NDP built M-Line and when the Liberals came in, they cancelled the rest of the M-Line (to Coquitlam) and now we have this streetcar (aka Evergreen Line "light rail") proposal that is probably dead.

Translink should be run like a non-profit organization like YVR. Look how successful YVR is now compared to its government-run days.
I so agree with you.



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As for Evergreen Line, I hope it never gets built in its current form, its not going to take cars off the street. I don't think people are going to be impressed when the streetcar they are riding in stops at a traffic light just like regular cars do.
Yup. Nothing but a very expensive streetcar system...not to mention that SkyTrain is 15 minutes compared to LRT's 25 minutes (97 B-Line is 35 minutes), no transfer at Lougheed, and a one-train ride from VCC and later on, UBC. Don't forget that after Translink's currently planned Edmonds trainyard expansion, we're going to need a second trainyard and this is a perfect opportunity for us to build that trainyard capacity.



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I think SkyTrain is a world-class system.....with 3rd world service and operations. Just look at the Expo Line and how many stations look so run down and feels "unsafe". You aren't going to attract more users if people are scared of getting attacked at stations.

Because of the lack of controlled access to the system (i.e. fare barriers/turnstiles), the entire Expo Line is like a free ride for bums/criminals/addicts, as it goes through the areas where these people are: Downtown/Main St/New West/Whalley.

Regarding the current stations, I think they are poorly planned but look great architecturally (applies to M-Line only). While other cities have stations with MULTIPLE entry points and ONE single path into the controlled access station area (i.e fare paid zone). SkyTrain has *mostly* ONE entry per station and MULTIPLE access to the fare paid zone/platforms. For example, an elevator on poorly lit ground floor with a stop on the "normal" ticketing floor and the final stop on the platform. Does anyone see anything wrong with this concept?
Well, Broadway, Metrotown, and King George Stations are about to get major overhauls. Broadway Station is going to get a new roof similar to that of Lougheed Station, the metal panels will be removed and glass windows will be installed, the concrete wall on the east side will be removed, the Broadway overpass will be widened, a new second Broadway Station entrance south of the station with escalator and the relocation of the existing elevator to the new entrance since it blocks the entrance to the overpass, improved wayfinding, widened corridors to the Commercial Station, a community police station, bike lockers, and shelters for the B-Line.

Keep in mind that the Millennium and Canada Line stations are/will be designed in a way that turnstiles can be installed in the future. The Expo Line, unfortunately, would require major renovations to accommodate these changes.

I hate how the Main Street Science World elevator is located on ground level far from the main station entrance...it's ridiculous and quite unattractive.

The Canada Line's City Centre Station will have an entrance from ground level, from Pacific Centre mall, from Vancouver Centre mall which would connect to the Expo Line, and a knockout panel for a future Robson Street entrance. Broadway-City Hall will have a knockout panel to the future secondary station entrance at the Crossroads development on the northwest corner of the Broadway/Cambie intersection. I'd imagine that would also be the entry point for the future M-Line station.



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Definetely, I was amazed in Hong Kong at how many retail shops there were in the concourse of the MTR....including 7-11. And you can use your Octopus Card to get stuff from stores, including 7-11.

And I don't know about the Canada Line stations (especially with those short platforms, and low ceilings for some stations).....they don't look really spacious, more like bomb shelters.



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Seattle already has a smart card and it's already in use. ORCA stands for One Regional Card for All.....they stole the name from Translink.
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The Evergreen lines original opening date was pushed back to 2011 in order to make use of the Canada line boring machine to save on costs. So in reality that is a example of a continues transit expansion, though I also realy hope that the Evergreen line gets scraped and gets built like originaly planed to be a extension of the Millenium line.

As far as most stations having only one entrance there are pros and cons. The cons you all mentioned and that is station access. But the pros are the fact that you funel the people entering and leaving the stations in to one area which results in considerabel increase in safety and security.

Regarding the Canada line its to bad that its being built with the limited capacity its being built with. But thats what you get in a private/public partnership. The private sectors only concerns are to maximize their profit within their operational timeframe, that being 35years fro the Canada line. This ends up costing the public sector because the line has a lifespan of 100
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The Evergreen lines original opening date was pushed back to 2011 in order to make use of the Canada line boring machine to save on costs. So in reality that is a example of a continues transit expansion, though I also realy hope that the Evergreen line gets scraped and gets built like originaly planed to be a extension of the Millenium line.

As far as most stations having only one entrance there are pros and cons. The cons you all mentioned and that is station access. But the pros are the fact that you funel the people entering and leaving the stations in to one area which results in considerabel increase in safety and security.

Regarding the Canada line its to bad that its being built with the limited capacity its being built with. But thats what you get in a private/public partnership. The private sectors only concerns are to maximize their profit within their operational timeframe, that being 35years fro the Canada line. This ends up costing the public sector because the line has a lifespan of 100
We haven't had any word about the Evergreen Line. The last we heard was the province forcing the project to go P3....i find it quite retarded how the gov'ts new policy of any project more than $20 million should be a P3.

Regarding stations entrances, it depends on the urban environment. Like in downtown or Broadway, with all that density and pedestrian traffic there should be more than one entrance.....but stations like 29th Avenue or Production Way? They're in the middle of nowhere with no pedestrian traffic or anything and with no forseeable major future development....it makes sense to have one entrance to funnel everybody.

I believe 41st-Oakridge Station has a knockout panel in its concourse so that a second station entrance could be built in the future on the northwest corner of 41st and Cambie.

It's not really the private sector's fault we have short platforms. I mean, it is their fault since they could've done more but they were only fulfilling their contract obligations of building an automated rapid transit rail line with an ultimate capacity of 15,000 pphpd....with rising construction costs, there was no way they could've spent more to make the platforms longer. The line's original budget was $1.7 billion ($1.3 billion from the public sector and $400 million from SNC-Lavalin) but that has shot up to $2 billion with SNC paying the shortfalls ($1.3 billion public, $700 million SNC).

It was RAVco's fault we have short platforms....they didn't specify platform lengths, and they specified a rather low system capacity (15,000 pphpd) for a rapidly growing region. In comparisson, Expo SkyTrain Line has an ultimate capacity of 25,000 pphpd but only uses 16,000 pphpd because of its short trains that don't occupy the entire platform.
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Located at the intersection of No 3 and Cambie Roads in Richmond, the Aberdeen Station Lands is the third phase of the Aberdeen Centre project. This new construction is an extension of the original Aberdeen Centre and will also connect to the Aberdeen Residences, which are currently under construction.

Following the original Aberdeen Centre concept of creating a retail/entertainment centre to engage street activity, the program for the new development consists of three retail and five hotel levels. This project also introduces a new public art component entitled "Nexus". A transparent glazed wall, Nexus is both the receptor and transmitter of information weaving through the inside and outside spaces. Ephemeral in nature, Nexus mediates between the box-like interior and the fluid urban exterior, bringing life and activity into the city streets.

The design for the Aberdeen Station Lands emphasizes the connections to the Canada Line transit station plaza and the existing Aberdeen Centre. An organically shaped multi-level atrium opens up to the plaza and diagonally connects the plaza with the Aberdeen Centre parkade. The station plaza responds to the organic shape of the west facade and is animated by the atrium which extends vertically to connect with the Hotel Lobby.

At the NW corner, the building cantilevers partially cover the Canada Line guideway to acknowledge the curve of the guideway and the connection with the Station.This tiered series of cantilevers provide a landmark entry to the No 3 Road commercial district and is also a gesture towards the nearby Fraser River.

Size: 240,000 square feet
Cost: $60 million
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- integration of the new development with the Canada Line's Aberdeen Station (concourse level entry and platform level entry)
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sweet Richmond is finially getting some seriuos architecture cant wait to whach this get built in the next couple of years.
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Old May 28th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #1656
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Pictures taken throughout May 2007:


Guideway track work over the Operations & Maintenance Centre at Bridgeport. In the distance, you can see Bridgeport Station.
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Cut and cover tunnel construction on the south exit of Cambie Bridge. In the distance, downtown.
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12th Avenue & Cambie near the Broadway-City Hall Station
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Night view of King Edward Station, the only double-decked station
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This is the cutting head of the tunnel boring machine that is boring under the metropolitan area for the subway tunnel. They just finished the first pass, and are refurbishing the cutting head for a second tunnel.
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The crane that lifted the tunnel boring machine out of the exit shaft at Waterfront Station
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TBM exit shaft at Granville near Pender Street. The tunnel boring machine is being dismantled so that it can be moved back to West 2nd Avenue. From there it'll start again to dig a second tunnel parallel to this one.
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An era on No.3 Road in Richmond has come and gone. The last of the 98 B-Line rapid bus stops on the bus median/lanes has been removed to make way for guideway construction.
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The tracks for the Canada Line on No. 3 Road
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One of the last architect designed special stops intended for the short life 98 B-Line, a "Bus Rapid Transit Line" that is rapidly wilting and now facing redundancy as the Canada Line approaches.
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Guideway in Richmond
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Lanes to an exit on Cambie Bridge in Vancouver are closed for the construction of Olympic Village Station and the tunnel boring machine entrance shaft. A crane lifts pre-cast tunnel segments into the entrance pit.
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Southern Expansion

Does anyone think/know if it is likely that the line may be extended south of its planned terminus on No. 3 road in the future?
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Old May 29th, 2007, 02:33 AM   #1659
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Does anyone think/know if it is likely that the line may be extended south of its planned terminus on No. 3 road in the future?
i dunno, but Brighouse-Richmond City Centre and its 60 metre tail track is built in a way that would not prevent a future extension. first of all though, the guideway from Lansdowne Station to Brighouse-RCC would have to be double-tracked otherwise the overall system capacity/frequency would decrease.
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