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Old June 16th, 2005, 09:16 AM   #161
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June 15, 2005
TransLink helps customers travel to Sea Vancouver
Corporate Press Release

Sea Vancouver – a maritime festival that runs from July 6 to 10 – is expected to attract thousands of people. To help ease traffic headaches, TransLink will provide extra transit services for customers travelling to the event.

Customers are advised that since the festival is expected to be well attended, it’s best to plan your transit trip ahead of time and allow for a little extra travel time due to the crowds.

Most of the festivities will take place at two locations: the Creekside site, which encompasses Concord Pacific Place and Creekside Park, and the Maritime Point site at Kitsilano Beach Park and the area around the Maritime Museum.

Here are some of the ways to get to and from the event:

Coast Mountain Bus service
To help customers reach the festival’s Maritime Point site for tall ship viewing, Coast Mountain will offer a #22 Special bus service to Kitsilano Beach Park and the Maritime Museum via Cornwall Avenue. The #22 Special will provide direct service from SkyTrain’s Waterfront and Burrard stations and from the SeaBus and West Coast Express terminals at Waterfront Station.

This special service will be in addition to the regular #22 bus service. The two routes combined will provide a bus every five to seven minutes throughout the festival. On Thursday, July 7, from 11 a.m. to 2:30 p.m., that frequency will increase to every four to five minutes during the Parade of Sail in English Bay.

In addition, bus routes #s 3, 8 and 19 will provide regular service via Main Street to the Creekside Park festivities, including the Boat Show and Marine Swap Meet.

Connecting with Sea Vancouver shuttles
The festival will operate its own free shuttle buses (yellow school buses) on two routes between the two main festival sites. Customers using the #22 Special will have to walk in and out from Cornwall Avenue. Coast Mountain buses will be equipped with bike racks and Sea Vancouver will offer bike checks during the festival dates.

SeaBus service
SeaBus, which is operated by Coast Mountain Bus Co., will run its usual summer passenger ferry service to and from Waterfront Station. SeaBus departs every 15 minutes during peak periods and every half hour during non-peak periods on weekdays and weekends. From Waterfront Station, passengers can connect to SkyTrain to reach the Edgewater site or board a #22 Special bus to reach the Maritime Point site.

SkyTrain service
SkyTrain service will be augmented at peak times to get customers to and from several sites. People can take SkyTrain to Main Street-Science World Station for easy access to the festival’s Creekside Park activities. In addition, customers can travel to Stadium Station to attend performances at the Edgewater Stage at the Plaza of Nations. To access the Maritime Point site, customers can take SkyTrain to Burrard Station and then board the #22 Special or the regular #22 to Cornwall Avenue.
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Old June 16th, 2005, 10:20 PM   #162
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Why would they have the line end at Stanley Park as opposed to going down Denman to English Bay? This is why Translink gets such low ridership, they use it for point to point travel as opposed to going thru dense areas.

Just to add to wasted money, why would they have that ext down the industrail area when its right beside the SkyTrain? They should have one going straight down Hastings, one of the few dense roads and connecting roads to downtown. They could also having it go down to Hastings and then turn onto Commercial to Broadway station. Commerical is a dence neighbour with VERY high transit ussage.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 01:09 AM   #163
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The streetcar is a City of Vancouver initative, not a Translink one (so the objective isn't to replace Translink services, but provide alternate services).
The City also has its own pet projects and sensitivities. It's probably sensitive to congestion on Denman with the addition of a streetcar down the middle. The extension down the False Creek Flats is one of the City's pet projects - the newly rezoned Finning Lands will be Vancouver's own suburban style business park (along with similarly rezoned lands at Renfrew and Rupert M-Line stations). That's also why the City requested that the M-Line terminus be north of VCC rather than under Broadway (RTPO agreed since it was also cheaper).

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The Vancouver Sun today has an artilcle about YVR's future plans. It talks about the self service check-ins.

The article says that ALL RAV stations will have self service airport check-ins. I don't know if that was a mistake and they mean all YVR stations or whether it does mean all stations along the line.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 01:32 AM   #164
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i think that there should be a streetcar line up Main street because there is already good ridership on that corridor
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Old June 17th, 2005, 02:11 AM   #165
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" In Vancouver Skytrain is auto and can have trains running every 45seconds (only for events). Iv used Toronto's subway during rushhour and I had to wait between 5-15 minutes for a train every time. Compared with Skytrains automatic system where the rush hour wait is pretty consistent at 2min and none peak hour is 5 the most you will ever wait is 8min."


That's ridiculous...TTC subways run every 2 minutes during peak times (which is a lot of the time), and 4-5 minutes the rest of the time. If you waited 15 minutes for a train, then there was an emergency, otherwise, there is NO way it could even be possible. The trains are big, because a lot more people ride them....and run very frequently ALL the time, because a lot more people ride them ALL the time.

Yea...the Skytrain runs every 45 seconds...uh huh....given the ridership, that would give every person their own private train. LOL






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Old June 17th, 2005, 02:24 AM   #166
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I havent been here for very long but I have noticed that you always have something to bitch about.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 04:13 AM   #167
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June 16, 2005
Upcoming TransLink Board Meeting


Here are some of the newsworthy items and reports on the agenda for the June 22 meeting of the TransLink Board of Directors:

Golden Ears Bridge – Master Agreement
Staff is seeking authorization from the board to enter into a five-party agreement with the Township of Langley, District of Maple Ridge, District of Pitt Meadows, and City of Surrey in relation to the Golden Ears Bridge Project. The agreement would define the scope and standards of the project and establish the responsibilities and obligations of all parties.

Parking Tax Bylaw
The board will be asked to approve a bylaw that is required to enable the creation of a parking site roll. When the parking site roll has been completed, this bylaw and a final determined tax rate will be forwarded to the Greater Vancouver Regional District for ratification. The tax will help finance major transportation improvements approved as part of TransLink’s 2005-2007 Three-Year Plan and 10-Year Outlook.

Recent Trends in Travel Characteristics: Analysis of the 2004 Greater Vancouver Trip Diary Survey
The report summarizes the results of the Trip Diary Survey that was conducted in cooperation with the Ministry of Transportation in 2004. Some of the key findings include:


Total daily trips made by Greater Vancouver Regional District residents grew from 5.5 million in 1999 to 6.4 million in 2004 – a 16.5 per cent increase.

Travel during the midday period (9:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.) grew significantly and accounted for 34.6 per cent of daily trips in the 2004 survey.

Trip patterns are more dispersed across the region. The growth in population and employment outside the urban core may account for the increasing complexity of people’s travel.

Transit Capacity Study
A recent Transit Capacity Study confirmed that customers are experiencing extreme levels of crowding on a number of bus routes throughout the region. SkyTrain service at Broadway Station is also at maximum capacity. To meet the demand, staff is proposing to accelerate bus purchases in 2006 and 2007 by advancing the delivery of 50 buses originally slated to arrive in 2008 and 2009. This would allow for additional hours of bus service to be introduced sooner. Staff is also recommending a study to investigate the feasibility of advancing the delivery date of 34 SkyTrain cars to 2008 from 2009.

Minor Fare Zone Amendments: Lions Bay, Annacis Island and Bowen Island
Staff is seeking authorization for minor amendments to the Transit Tariff to address fare-zone boundary anomalies between Lions Bay and West Vancouver; Annacis Island and Delta; Bowen Island and West Vancouver. The proposed changes would lower transit fares and offer some potential for slight increases in local ridership.

2005 Capital Program Projects: Specific Project Approval
The board will be asked to provide Step 2 Specific Project Approval for the following capital projects:


$350,000 for a study to determine the suitability of using automatic passengers counters to measure demand on all modes of transit. The counters are currently being installed on 15 per cent of the bus fleet and the study will assess the benefits of expanding the technology to SkyTrain, SeaBus, West Coast Express and Community Shuttles.

$400,000 for repairs to mitigate problems with soil settlement at Scott Road Station. The money would also go towards developing an ongoing monitoring and maintenance program.

2004 Schedules of Financial Information
Staff will present the 2004 Schedules of Financial Information, which outline the remuneration and expenses paid to or on behalf of TransLink employees and payments to suppliers for goods and services. The public can view the schedules or purchase a copy for $5 once the board has approved them.

First Quarter 2005 Transit System Ridership
Transit ridership increased by 1.5 per cent during the first four months of 2005, matching TransLink’s budget projection. The growth reflected gains in U-Pass ridership, new ridership attracted by bus service improvements, and increased transit use due to higher gas prices, although the January fare change had a temporary dampening effect on the growth.

http://www.translink.bc.ca/About_Tra...ws06160502.asp
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Old June 17th, 2005, 04:32 AM   #168
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"I havent been here for very long but I have noticed that you always have something to bitch about."


If you plan on being here for a longer time, do yourself a favour...focus on the topic...not on unsolicited insults of forumers. Besides...I'm not the one bitching...the person who complained about TTC subways having 15 minute headways was....I just refuted their claims.





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Old June 17th, 2005, 07:13 AM   #169
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The only pessimists I see on this thread are those opposing RAV the way it is.

It's either "get-it-done-with-now-before-the-Olympics" or wait until after the Olympics. By then, it might be too late. Why delay it some more?

The RAV Official Rant on Discover Vancouver's forum is a place where I stated my opinions on the RAV.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 07:34 AM   #170
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Vancouvers downtown is not that small in area, its borderline, its pretty large...think about it from lets say B.C. Place stadium to the entrance of Stanley park, from gastown to yaletown, its pretty large, and a street car is a smart idea, not all people want to walk those distances.

About the Inner city transit, Of course Vancouver is going to go into the suburbs, thats where most of the population is(also alot less nimbys), unlike Calgary which doesnt basically have any suburbs, just a city with 900 000 plus, so it makes sense for them in that way...plus if all the suburbs are connected, it makes for a much better transit system and a extensive one as well. You can get anywhere you want fast, and not be stuck in traffic and take so much more time. It takes me 15 minutes to get to metrotown from scott road station in Surrey, and with a car it would take me approximetly 30-45 mins.

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That's ridiculous...TTC subways run every 2 minutes during peak times (which is a lot of the time), and 4-5 minutes the rest of the time. If you waited 15 minutes for a train, then there was an emergency, otherwise, there is NO way it could even be possible. The trains are big, because a lot more people ride them....and run very frequently ALL the time, because a lot more people ride them ALL the time.

Yea...the Skytrain runs every 45 seconds...uh huh....given the ridership, that would give every person their own private train. LOL
Someones bitter.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 07:36 AM   #171
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Vancouvers downtown is not that small in area, its borderline, its pretty large...think about it from lets say B.C. Place stadium to the entrance of Stanley park, from gastown to yaletown, its pretty large, and a street car is a smart idea, not all people want to walk those distances.
Except for NIMBYs, I think most people do support the streetcar proposal.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 07:38 AM   #172
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The only pessimists I see on this thread are those opposing RAV the way it is.

It's either "get-it-done-with-now-before-the-Olympics" or wait until after the Olympics. By then, it might be too late. Why delay it some more?

The RAV Official Rant on Discover Vancouver's forum is a place where I stated my opinions on the RAV.
I think the biggest problem people are worried about is the costs that will be incurred when ridership falls below expectations, and Translink ends up picking up the slack. If Vancouver city council had enough clout to ignore the NIMBYs and immediately densify the Cambie corridor & surrounding areas, and/or keep RAV as above-grade Skytrain to minimize costs, then no one would really be worried about RAV. One of the success of Skytrain is its ability to create high density neighbourhoods within the immediate vicinity, and if planning does not permit this growth around RAV, then it would be a big loss for the region.

The only effective way I can think of that would weaken the NIMBY's grasp on city council is to merge cities, possibly Vancouver+Burnaby.

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Old June 17th, 2005, 07:47 AM   #173
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Why would they have the line end at Stanley Park as opposed to going down Denman to English Bay? This is why Translink gets such low ridership, they use it for point to point travel as opposed to going thru dense areas.
Maybe it's because Stanley Park is a more famous tourist attraction than English Bay, and Vancouver is a city that's very much geared towards tourists.

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Just to add to wasted money, why would they have that ext down the industrail area when its right beside the SkyTrain? They should have one going straight down Hastings, one of the few dense roads and connecting roads to downtown. They could also having it go down to Hastings and then turn onto Commercial to Broadway station. Commerical is a dence neighbour with VERY high transit ussage.
The Hastings corridor is too long for streetcar to be suitable. It is better suited to rapid transit.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 08:47 AM   #174
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"I havent been here for very long but I have noticed that you always have something to bitch about."


If you plan on being here for a longer time, do yourself a favour...focus on the topic...not on unsolicited insults of forumers. Besides...I'm not the one bitching...the person who complained about TTC subways having 15 minute headways was....I just refuted their claims.





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Im not insulting you, If you cant take a little criticism then maybe you shouldnt have brought it on yourself. No one is stepping forward to tell you you need to lighten up, because you seem to have a history of it.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 10:30 AM   #175
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The streetcar will indeed be geared very much to tourists - it will connect a lot of the tourist destinations - Vanier Park (Vancouver Museum) - Granville Island - Science World - Gastown - Canada Place - Stanley Park, plus BC Place - Yaletown

Since the route is quite circuitous (RAV will be much faster crossing the Creek and ends up at the same place - Canada Place/Waterfront) - commuters would likely use the streetcar to feed into RAV and the Expo Skytrain. Tourists would ride the whole loop all the way around the Creek.
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Yea...the Skytrain runs every 45 seconds...uh huh....given the ridership, that would give every person their own private train. LOL

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Ever been to the Sun Run or the Celebration of Light? Translink has the capability to run trains at 45sec intervals. Of course this is not routinly used and on a normal rush hour there is a 2-3min wait. As I said before in Toronto I usally waited 5-10min for a train and at one point waited 15min, this is not an insulte to the TTC and is due to the fact that the Toronto subway has been in place for along time and is not an automated system.
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Old June 17th, 2005, 02:53 PM   #177
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^I don't think anyone here is out to offend you but obviously you are insulted. Take it from the people that ride it ALL the time, and not one off instances. I've waited occasionally 4-5 trains before getting on at Pape st, but thats not the norm. I've had to walk home because their was a jumper, but that definately isn't the norm.
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Since the route is quite circuitous (RAV will be much faster crossing the Creek and ends up at the same place - Canada Place/Waterfront) - commuters would likely use the streetcar to feed into RAV and the Expo Skytrain. Tourists would ride the whole loop all the way around the Creek.
It would be optimal if they actually were able to bring the streetcar stops into they skytrain stations (ie. within an enclosed area not physically in) to provide for easy transtion/connections. Part of the attractiveness of the streetcar for commutters would be the easy flow. But that would probably add costs (decrease attractiveness) but would be planning properly for the future (ie., once ridership grows and warrants better improvements, this would be difficult and more expensive to realign).
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"If you cant take a little criticism then maybe you shouldnt have brought it on yourself."


What excactly is it you are criticising...the fact that I correct someone's innaccurate claims of headways on TTC subways? If you have something against the truth, I suppose you might not like that. LOL








"Translink has the capability to run trains at 45sec intervals."


Yea, but if has no need to run every 45 seconds, except for a few events, then it really doesn't matter. Headways have to be reasonably frequent if people are going to even consider it for mass transit, but 2 minutes is very frequent, and it doesn't matter if there's a driver or not.

The YUS line runs on 2-3 minute headways 6 hours of the day, and 4-5 minute headways the rest of the time...not just for "events". There's no 10 minutes or 15 minute headways, so if you are going to continue to say there is, then you are just wrong.





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I think the streetcar will primarily run on the street, with typical streetcar platforms. There may even be some sections that are single tracked - not sure. But there are only 4 stations that the streetcar will eventually hit:

RAV 2nd Ave - that could be well integrated because the streetcar ROW is away from the street and land next to the ROW could be consolidated with the station development.

Expo Main Street - unlikely since the streetcar route and Expo Line are at right angles to each other. Probably a walk across the street to connect.

RAV Yaletown - streetcar will be in Pacific Blvd median - and RAV station entrance will be half a block away. Preliminary plans showed a ventilation shaft at the median near the streetcar stop - so potentially there could be a connection from RAV up to the median.

Expo Waterfront - streetcar will probably be in the middle of the street in front of the station - easy connection. It could also be at the curb - since that's at the point where the route will probably transition to 2 one-way couplets through Gastown (eastbound on Cordova, westbound on Water). But I think it would be easier getting to Stanley Park if they staying in the middle of the street (which would also be farther from townhouse front doors further west).
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