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Old August 30th, 2007, 10:53 PM   #1881
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Well, the problem is that the WCE railway doesn't belong to Translink. Translink pays heavy rent to CN Rail to use it, something like $90 million a year....which makes it quite difficult for the West Coast Express to expand its service even if its doing so well.
And the line is shared with freight trains - so the electrical lines would probably interfere with double height cargo containers.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 04:35 AM   #1882
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And the line is shared with freight trains - so the electrical lines would probably interfere with double height cargo containers.
really? wow... a freight bypass should be made then. if that is the primary terminus for the city, however, then it should probably be taken elsewhere completely, it doesnt belong there.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 07:40 AM   #1883
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And the line is shared with freight trains - so the electrical lines would probably interfere with double height cargo containers.
but will it still be a problem if they electrify and continue to use the Bombardier Bi-Level cars?

Those cars are pretty high, and the wires and towers would have to be raised to compensate

Interesting also because Ontario has made it a goal to electrify the Lakeshore GO line....

I would also like to see a double tracking of the Stouffville sub, which connects from Toronto to Stouffville and runs north through scarborough and Markham...

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Old August 31st, 2007, 07:42 AM   #1884
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we run only 2 coupled trainsets. Kuala Lumpur will be the first to get a 4-car articulated train.
thanks. Oh, are there any existing problems or challenges faced with the coupling?

I mean, aside from the programming of platform screen doors (which might take a little time) should there be any other reason why trains cannot be coupled whenever needed?

Did Vancouver have any challenges when they started coupling the Mark II trains?

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Old August 31st, 2007, 08:00 AM   #1885
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Bombardier Wins 60 Million Euro Contract to Upgrade Longest Fully Automated, Driverless Rail Line in Asia



2007-08-30 16:53:00

Project supports system expansion and two-fold capacity increase on Kelana Jaya Line in Kuala Lumpur

BERLIN - (Marketwire - August 30, 2007) - Bombardier Transportation and local partner Hartasuma Sdn Bhd have signed a contract with Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad (Prasarana) to upgrade wayside electrical and mechanical (E&M) systems on the Kelana Jaya Line in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Total value of the contract is approximately 87 million Euros ($119 million US). Bombardier's share is approximately 60 million Euros ($81 million US). The E&M project is scheduled for completion in late spring 2009.

The work will upgrade the line to accommodate 88 new BOMBARDIER(i) Advanced Rapid Transit (ART) MK II vehicles now being produced to expand the Kelana Jaya fleet. Prasarana ordered the new vehicles under a separate contract with Bombardier and Hartsuma Sdn Bhd in October 2006. The system is expected to more than double ridership capacity on the line to about 370,000 passengers a day.

The 29-km Kelana Jaya Line, originally built by a Bombardier-led consortium, is the longest fully automated driverless transit system in Asia. Phase 1 opened in 1998 for the Commonwealth Games and features 70 ART MK II vehicles. Last year's contract for 88 vehicles includes options for Prasarana to purchase another 52.

Raymond T. Betler, President, Total Transit Systems, Bombardier Transportation commented: "For many years, we have been proud to supply Malaysia with reliable rail transportation products. As a rail system integrator, this world-class project gives us the unprecedented opportunity to maximize the operational performance of the City's core rail line that we provided almost a decade ago."

Encik Shaipudin Shah Harun, CEO, Prasarana commented: "The vehicle supply contract is already successfully underway and concluding the E&M wayside equipment contract now provides us with a complete solution to our extra capacity needs on the Kelana Jaya Line".

The E&M contract consists of upgrading automatic train control, power supply and distribution and communications systems. It also includes work on platform screen doors, workshop equipment, and depot storage lanes, as well as systems engineering and integration, project management, and test and commissioning services.

Bombardier is the world leader in designing and supplying automated rapid transit systems, monorails and people movers for urban and airport applications. Its driverless ART technology, thoroughly proven in over 80 years of combined operations in Canada, Asia, and the USA, offers unprecedented system reliability. Successfully deployed ART systems include the Kelana Jaya Line in Kuala Lumpur; Vancouver SkyTrain(ii), the longest driverless system in the world; New York City's AirTrain JFK(ii), where Bombardier is providing up to 15 years of operations and maintenance services; as well as the Scarborough RT system in Toronto, Canada and the Detroit Downtown People Mover in the USA. ART systems currently under construction include the Yongin EverLine in South Korea and the Beijing Airport Link in China.
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Old September 1st, 2007, 08:34 AM   #1886
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Took those today from around the international section of the YVR terminal:







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Old September 1st, 2007, 09:23 AM   #1887
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according to the RFS they are intended to be done before the olympics. But that is easier said then done.
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Old September 1st, 2007, 09:44 AM   #1888
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^ that rendering looks quite sharp, best elevated station on the line. thx for posting.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 04:56 AM   #1889
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are my eyes fooling me? It looks like a Toronto CLRV is parked in front of the station, to the right of the main entrance......

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Looks like it's just a coach bus.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 05:01 AM   #1890
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^ probably is, Pacific Central is also Vancouver's coach bus terminal.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 05:52 AM   #1891
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More pictures from TAFYRN taken on August 13th and 14th:


Vancouver City Centre Station








Broadway-City Hall Station
















Langara-49th Avenue Station






















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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:20 AM   #1892
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this partly explains why parts of the line are single tracked and why the frequencies are so large...although I don't really understand it...

it has something to do with PSC mistakes (I think)...
(look at the end of section 3.2.2)

http://www.canadaline.ca/uploads/New...es/News113.pdf
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:39 AM   #1893
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this partly explains why parts of the line are single tracked and why the frequencies are so large...although I don't really understand it...

it has something to do with PSC mistakes (I think)...
(look at the end of section 3.2.2)

http://www.canadaline.ca/uploads/New...es/News113.pdf
It never was InTransitBC's fault in the first place. That's only part why, but I don't blame InTransitBC (SNC-Lavalin) for doing so....on a corporate viewpoint, to protect its shareholders, i'd do the same on cutting the project scope.

The PSC (created by Jane Bird's RAVco) layed out all the requirements of what InTransitBC had to build for the project, namely the 15,000 pphpd and the train frequency schedule as we know it. RAVco set out the standards (or benchmark) too low AND the province provided too little funding for the project.

With rising construction and labour costs threatening InTransitBC's profits (rising threats that the company won't be able to recoup all the construction costs within the 35-year operating period), the company was forced to make cuts to the project like eliminating single-tracking.


The Canada Line should've been like the convention centre project. I believe the province approached the land owners (forgot which company) for a public-private project for the convention centre, another P3 like the Canada Line. But the land owners refused the P3 deal but did sell the land to the province, and so the convention centre expansion is now a public project. Costs (labour and materials) have risen since the first shovel was laid on the ground - from $495 million to $615 million and now nearly $900 million.

Instead of cutting down on the design scope, the province is providing all the money the convention centre needs to get work done. In fact, the Liberal cabinet APPROVED an ADDITIONAL $83 million for more grander finishings to the centre as well as artwork. This concept should've been implemented for the Canada Line, and we saw this when the NDP built the Millennium Line....the design scope wasn't cut on the line that exists today (though the Broadway and Coquitlam extensions were deferred).
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 10:06 AM   #1894
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(From the linked-to report Canada Line Final Project Report: Competitive Selection Phase APril 12, 2006)

"3.2.2 Public Sector Comparator

The PSC is a public sector benchmark for the procurement, design, construction, and operation of the project. Given that the provincial funding was conditional upon the project being developed as a P3, the PSC is a hypothetical concept intended to provide a reasonable comparison with the net cost of the project. "

At least they're being up front. There was never a serious examination of whether the public sector would have built and operated the line better or for less. I think InTransitBC is doing pretty well so far and I'm not going off on a anti-P3 bender but I think it is important that we're clear-eyed when we look at the agreement because we're going to be living with it for a third of a century.

What really does kill me is the "Transit Only" option for the Gateway Program. The consultant was directed to compare the impact of a single hourly express bus crossing the Port Mann and terminating downtown versus the entire $3 billion dollar road package. Not surprisingly the single express bus per hour couldn't hold a candle to the road package and so no further transit component was considered. It should be crystal clear that a true transit option would include a hell of a lot more than a single express bus per hour. I read the consultants report earlier this year but I neglected to save it. I think one can still dredge it up from the Gateway website.

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Old September 3rd, 2007, 10:53 AM   #1895
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^ I agree, InTransitBC has done a miraculous job given the time constraints for the 2010 Olympics and the tight budget. It's something SNC-Lavalin has always done well, and it also shows with how they built our existing two SkyTrain lines.

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I'm shocked. I would think a Surrey to Downtown bus via the Port Mann would attract quite a bit of ridership. I don't understand how they could justify it with a frequency of only one hour? I'd think there would even be enough ridership to justify a 60-foot articulated bus running every 15 minutes.
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Most of us have already seen a sneak peek of the Canada Line interior:







But I've learned there's a very very very close replica of the train we will be using that is currently in use in one of the most ancient cities in the world. I won't disclose the location of that city, but I can tell you that after watching YouTube videos of this train - these vehicles are AMAZINGLY QUIET both inside the train and while waiting for it to arrive at the station platform. And the grey stainless steel exterior actually looks surprisingly sharp. I'm actually quite impressed with the train. The trains from this city are quite new. Here's that train replica, however only the interior will be posted:










The Canada Line trains will be very similar to this train.
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Most of us have already seen a sneak peek of the Canada Line interior:







But I've learned there's a very very very close replica of the train we will be using that is currently in use in one of the most ancient cities in the world. I won't disclose the location of that city, but I can tell you that after watching YouTube videos of this train - these vehicles are AMAZINGLY QUIET both inside the train and while waiting for it to arrive at the station platform. And the grey stainless steel exterior actually looks surprisingly sharp. I'm actually quite impressed with the train. The trains from this city are quite new. Here's that train replica, however only the interior will be posted:










The Canada Line trains will be very similar to this train.
Thanks for the pics. I know which city you're talking about now. I just found out in around 30s.
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ahhh god... i think i know but im not 100% positive...
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Most of us have already seen a sneak peek of the Canada Line interior:







But I've learned there's a very very very close replica of the train we will be using that is currently in use in one of the most ancient cities in the world. I won't disclose the location of that city, but I can tell you that after watching YouTube videos of this train - these vehicles are AMAZINGLY QUIET both inside the train and while waiting for it to arrive at the station platform. And the grey stainless steel exterior actually looks surprisingly sharp. I'm actually quite impressed with the train. The trains from this city are quite new. Here's that train replica, however only the interior will be posted:










The Canada Line trains will be very similar to this train.
oh I don't know what city this is, could you please tell me, mr.x ?
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^Type "Rotem EMU" in the search box on Youtube.
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