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Old September 4th, 2007, 06:53 AM   #1901
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I'm wondering whether our trains will be as quiet as the trains from that city. If you look closely, the Canada Line body appears to be considerably thinner than from the trains of this "ancient city".

I like the seats from that city's trains, they appear to be similar to the ones on the Mark II trains and our new buses.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 09:10 PM   #1902
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More pictures from TAFYRN taken on August 14th:


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Old September 5th, 2007, 02:23 AM   #1903
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What's so bad about just coming out and saying Athens?
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Old September 5th, 2007, 02:59 AM   #1904
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What's so bad about just coming out and saying Athens?
Wouldn't it be fun to send you guys on a rat race?

I got the info directly from a Canada Line executive.
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Old September 5th, 2007, 03:00 AM   #1905
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Here is a random website I'll just throw in here.

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Old September 5th, 2007, 03:58 AM   #1906
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Interesting how the trains turn their lights off after arriving at the terminus station.











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Old September 5th, 2007, 07:05 PM   #1907
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Old September 7th, 2007, 11:18 PM   #1908
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It would be a great idea to have those lines, but only when we use the same vehicles with the same door lengths and with the same number of cars on each train.....wouldn't you hate to be waiting at a line, then you see the train stop 20 metres away from you?

I could see it work on the Canada Line however.



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Old September 8th, 2007, 03:36 AM   #1909
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CANADA LINE TRAINS FROM THE ROTEM PLANT IN SOUTH KOREA
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Simply stunning, both inside and outside. I love how spacious it is inside, nearly a metre wider than our Mark II's on SkyTrain.

If only the entire train could be painted white instead of just the front, now that would be one REALLY sexy train.

We're going to have to wait a little longer to see the exterior livery design.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:04 AM   #1910
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Yay! Good to see these pics. Thanks. Interesting to see how the seats are oriented - one side pointing in the opposite direction of the other. Is that a permanent open space I see? Or have they simply not installed the seats yet? Perhaps for luggage?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #1911
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Yay! Good to see these pics. Thanks. Interesting to see how the seats are oriented - one side pointing in the opposite direction of the other. Is that a permanent open space I see? Or have they simply not installed the seats yet? Perhaps for luggage?
Possibly they haven't installed the seats yet or possibly it could be space for a luggage rack, like Rotem's train for Athens that was delivered in time for 2004:



Being an airport line, i think they'd need a luggage rack. Most cities with metro lines/express bus service from their airports have luggage racks. For example, the airport express line and buses serving Hong Kong Airport.
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Now that's a handsome looking train! I'm very impressed by how large it looks inside and I am a fan of the bidirectional seating. I hope there is a permanent luggage rack in each car and that we don't end up with a divided fleet of YVR and normal cars. The luggage rack would absolutely be used on a day-to-day basis on mainline service. People adjacent to the rack would likely put their backpacks, shoulder bags, etc., in the rack rather than on the floor, especially during the rainy season.

I also like how the windows seem vertically a bit undersized for the space they occupy. I am not familiar with design grammar but it looks to me like it accentuates the horizontal plane of the train and it makes it seem more linear and conveys a sense of speed and haste. I can't wait to see that zip across the North Arm bridge or race traffic along Sea Island enroute to YVR.

Handrails everywhere! One nice thing about a train designed in a transit-savvy Asian country is that they know the importance of designing a train to function well when packed. I am especially happy to see handrails on the ceiling since they will likely have grab straps attached and offers an overhead hand hold for tall people. As someone who routinely braces himself against the ceiling of SkyTrain cars this feature is very welcome.

Seeing the bright white front I am underwhelmed by the decision to not paint the whole train the same. I am a big fan of the modern SkyTrain livery and I think a white Canada Line livery would go that much further towards associating it with the SkyTrain network in the mind of the public. However I also realize that the base metal colour is unfinished and it will, hopefully, be buffed to a mirror-like finish. We'll see in a few months. None the less, bravo InTransitBC. You picked a good looking train. Now if we could only have more than 20...
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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:58 AM   #1913
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Now that's a handsome looking train! I'm very impressed by how large it looks inside and I am a fan of the bidirectional seating. I hope there is a permanent luggage rack in each car and that we don't end up with a divided fleet of YVR and normal cars. The luggage rack would absolutely be used on a day-to-day basis on mainline service. People adjacent to the rack would likely put their backpacks, shoulder bags, etc., in the rack rather than on the floor, especially during the rainy season.

I also like how the windows seem vertically a bit undersized for the space they occupy. I am not familiar with design grammar but it looks to me like it accentuates the horizontal plane of the train and it makes it seem more linear and conveys a sense of speed and haste. I can't wait to see that zip across the North Arm bridge or race traffic along Sea Island enroute to YVR.

Handrails everywhere! One nice thing about a train designed in a transit-savvy Asian country is that they know the importance of designing a train to function well when packed. I am especially happy to see handrails on the ceiling since they will likely have grab straps attached and offers an overhead hand hold for tall people. As someone who routinely braces himself against the ceiling of SkyTrain cars this feature is very welcome.

Seeing the bright white front I am underwhelmed by the decision to not paint the whole train the same. I am a big fan of the modern SkyTrain livery and I think a white Canada Line livery would go that much further towards associating it with the SkyTrain network in the mind of the public. However I also realize that the base metal colour is unfinished and it will, hopefully, be buffed to a mirror-like finish. We'll see in a few months. None the less, bravo InTransitBC. You picked a good looking train. Now if we could only have more than 20...
I couldn't agree more, it's beautiful and it looks very well designed. The yellow four-headed pole in the middle of the corridor at the doors is brilliant.

Well done InTransitBC, well done Jean.

The only thing that falls is how the train isn't entirely painted, like you said.

I'd prefer a Athens metro train type of livery rather than just painting the front if you decided not to paint the entire train. The Athens orange strips look simple, elegant, and modern against the grey train.....but painting the front, there's absolutely no balance to the design. It'll look quite awkward, if not ugly.
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BTW, the last picture above is probably what a 40-metre platform looks like. Imagine that as the Canada Line train, arriving at Langara-49th Avenue Station. The only difference however, according to the consultation renderings, is there are support pillars between the tracks in the middle of the station....or at least i think that's what they are in the drawings.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 07:28 AM   #1914
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if that is a 40m station, then i think it will be just OK. nothing to panic about...

and those trains look awesome!
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Old September 8th, 2007, 07:55 AM   #1915
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if that is a 40m station, then i think it will be just OK. nothing to panic about...

and those trains look awesome!
Well, it's a 40-metre station assuming the camera man is standing right in front of the end wall. You have to go right close up to your monitor to see how 40-metres is like.

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I guess when the time comes, we'll just have to pour in quite a bit of money into expanding beyond 50-metres. No use complaining now.


Those trains are definitely nice.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 08:13 AM   #1917
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A full metro is a nice problem to have.

Regarding capacity, it is worth remembering that a parallel line will be in place along Arbutus at some point in the relatively near future. I would argue that when the Canada Line is full and no further gains can be made through headway improvements then it will definitely be time to build parallel systems. Put the considerable amount of money the station upgrades would cost and plug that into additional North-South and East-West lines.

At some point the Canada Line will be full and nothing further will be possible without station extensions. To me that's an accomplishment, not a problem. To reach that enviable milestone we will have to put a several decades of work into sound planning and sustainable growth.

This is going to sound really dumb... Sometimes I suddenly remember that this is being built. It isn't that I forget, but rather it is more like it suddenly clicks that it is really happening and that in a year and a half it will be up and running and we will have a third SkyTrain line. It is so easy to think about the project from a theoretical standpoint and muse about the ins and outs of the project, capacity, train design, alternative routes, etc., but to turn the corner downtown and see a block long gaping four storey pit with a tunnel at each end has a certain way of making the whole thing real. And it's everywhere! Downtown, False Creek, Broadway, Oakridge, the new bridges, the airport section, the Richmond section. All at once. This will have such a huge impact on this city and change spatial perceptions in ways that are hard to guess. For myself, I have to wonder if I might start seeing movies at Oakridge when it becomes as accessible as downtown. Until last week I hadn't seen anything there in half a decade because "it's out of the way". Same thing with finally going to check out the Richmond Night Market. I've never gone because its "out of the way".

Anyway, it is all starting to come together. First trains arrive for testing in December?
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Simply stunning, both inside and outside.
I'm going to have to disagree. I'm not even talking about livery, but the body shape. I much prefer the "hockey mask" variant shown by Rotem before - it looks far more modern to me.

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As for the interior, the hand holds look like mass produced tent poles, whereas the Mark II's are gracefully sculpted.

So far, these Rotems are boring - just a very standard looking subway train. It sorely lacks the design flair of the Bombardier Mark II. The only hope is that the finishing inside is of good quality and they improve the livery outside. I really hope they go for a more two-tone look, especially like the white Rotem pictures I've posted above.

I still expect the trains to be an improvement in usability over SkyTrain though, which is most important, of course.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 09:42 AM   #1919
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The outside looks very "windowless". It's not a very sleek looking train from the side view. I also don't like the rounded windows. I like the square tinted window look way better. Also, plug doors would have been nice (looks like the Athens train had plug type doors). They make the train more sleek and aerodynamic and allow for windows to extend right to the door. Right now they have to allow space for the doors to slide into.

The faces of the train look good and it looks like there will be LED signs on the ends, sides and interior of the train.

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wow the rounded windows look so old... square tinted does look WAY better...

i dont mind the face however the "hockey mask" one IS better...
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