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Old September 24th, 2007, 02:27 AM   #1961
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The new trolleys actually have a system to prevent it in 90% of the cases. That being said, if a trolley strays too far left/right or goes over a switch at 50km/h, it will derail...
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Old September 24th, 2007, 02:42 AM   #1962
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a question about skytrain - do they still run express trains during rush hour?

I remember a few years ago they used to run trains that had limited stops between downtown and surrey
I had no clue they ever did this. Would make sense though. I have thought about this a bit - using the SkyTrain to have a more express rapid transit service between major stations (like Surrey Central, Columbia, Metrotown, Broadway, Granville, Burrard, Waterfront). So that people wouldn't have to do the putt-putt through all the bloody stations, and make it into something like a commuter rail type thing, where riders could just relax for 30 mins and use their laptops or enjoy their magazines... you know what I mean. Right now, it a busy metro. Could it transform, at least in some shape, like an express train, into a speedy commuter rail service?

I doubt it could work though, because there's only two tracks, and unless the regular trains pulled over for the express, or vice-versa, I don't think you could do it. But please someone tell me I'm wrong!
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Old September 24th, 2007, 02:56 AM   #1963
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I had no clue they ever did this. Would make sense though. I have thought about this a bit - using the SkyTrain to have a more express rapid transit service between major stations (like Surrey Central, Columbia, Metrotown, Broadway, Granville, Burrard, Waterfront). So that people wouldn't have to do the putt-putt through all the bloody stations, and make it into something like a commuter rail type thing, where riders could just relax for 30 mins and use their laptops or enjoy their magazines... you know what I mean. Right now, it a busy metro. Could it transform, at least in some shape, like an express train, into a speedy commuter rail service?

I doubt it could work though, because there's only two tracks, and unless the regular trains pulled over for the express, or vice-versa, I don't think you could do it. But please someone tell me I'm wrong!
It's possible. At the time, i didn't know they were express trains but they were packed with people and didn't stop at the station i was waiting at. This express train was trailing right behind another train.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 04:57 AM   #1964
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yeah they used to - i remember being at Granville street station and it said this is an express train to Surrey and it listed the few stops and said something like the next stop for this train will be Patterson or whatever it was

it would just bypass the stations on the way without stopping

it wasn't any faster in speed as it would have to follow behind the ones that stopped in some spots but it was quicker in the sense that it could pass so many stops without stopping cutting a few minutes of the run
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Old September 24th, 2007, 04:58 AM   #1965
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i am so old

this must have been in the late 1990's when they tried it or did it

i think i have been on skytrain 5 times since 2002
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:15 AM   #1966
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yeah they used to - i remember being at Granville street station and it said this is an express train to Surrey and it listed the few stops and said something like the next stop for this train will be Patterson or whatever it was

it would just bypass the stations on the way without stopping

it wasn't any faster in speed as it would have to follow behind the ones that stopped in some spots but it was quicker in the sense that it could pass so many stops without stopping cutting a few minutes of the run
i doubt they could do it for the Canada Line with so few trains available and with such a limited overall system capacity and frequency.

until they get more trains, it would be nice to see express trains from YVR and Richmond Centre that stop at Bridgeport, Broadway, City Centre, and Waterfront.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:17 AM   #1967
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The new trolleys actually have a system to prevent it in 90% of the cases. That being said, if a trolley strays too far left/right or goes over a switch at 50km/h, it will derail...
Anytime I've ever been on a bus where the poles come off the wires it was because the driver was going too fast into a switch, and even that was only a handful of times. The trolleys seem to be remarkably reliable as I have never been on one that ever broke down.

I hope they never get rid of the trolleys. Living on Victoria and 64th for a number of years I loved the fact that the trolleys could rocket up the hill lickity split. They also add character to the city. Character this city needs to maintain as it grows ever larger.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:32 AM   #1968
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I have yet to see or ride a new electric trolley bus that has derailed. I agree that the front half of the bus is lacking hand-holds. I am uncomfortable saying this but I feel that too much has been sacrificed in the buses interior design to accommodate two wheelchairs in their current configuration. I don't have an answer or better suggestion but it seems like they could somehow have used the right side of the bus for both wheelchairs and installed some cross bars with shorter dangling handles to let a third row of people in the centre of the bus hold on to something.

I was once on an old trolley that died. It was a #6 Davie and we just pulled off of Granville onto Davie and around Bute there was a very loud bang and the bus lurched to the side. Apparently one of the airbags that gave the old trolley chassis that floating sensation had ruptured. The bus driver made the most obvious announcement ever, that "clearly, our bus has broken down" and added that it was likely gone for good since it was one of the first of that model line to enter service. Who knows how many millions of kilometres of service it put in by the time it died, a whole lot more than a car, that's for sure.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:33 AM   #1969
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The new trolleys actually have a system to prevent it in 90% of the cases. That being said, if a trolley strays too far left/right or goes over a switch at 50km/h, it will derail...
I was wondering about that, because anecdotally, I've only been on a new trolley once when it dewired. So, if it's true that the new trolleys have a system to prevent dewiring, that's great.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 01:59 AM   #1970
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^I really didn't know there was any Express Trains but since there are so many people have said that then I geuss there was. But then the fequency of the SkyTrain back in the day was far less? I wouldn't really like the idea of Express trains since it makes the system much more complicated for an average tourist (trust me even precise clear messages can confuse a LOCAL). I would like Express Trains if it made the commute faster and on a seperate platform though...

I've actually seen many trolleys (I'm talking about new and old ones) have their wires derail on Granville Bridge itself, but I am guessing the main reason is because it is going too fast.

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Old September 25th, 2007, 08:36 AM   #1971
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The collector poles/shoes were custom designed by Vossloh-Kiepe for Translink to minimize de-wiring on the Vancouver network from what I have read. De-wiring occurs at even the slightest changes in wire direction at higher speeds; that's why any trolley serving the Cambie/Granville is bound to de-wire (and it did very frequently when I used to take the 15 Cambie every day). Overall, not a big issue here IMO.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #1972
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I have been unable to find this news in writing, but I saw on the news this evening that a section of the tunnel under cambie was made too narrow for the trains. Oddly it was stated that this would only cost an extra couple weeks to fix.

If anyone knows more about this please post about it.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:34 AM   #1973
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Error delays Canada Line construction
Miscalculation on Cambie Street section extends timeline by a week, adds to cost

Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver Sun
Published: Tuesday, September 25, 2007

VANCOUVER - Construction crews will have to redo a section of a stacked tunnel along Cambie Street after a miscalculation narrowed parts of the tunnel by between 20 and 46 centimetres.

The discovery was made when the crew remeasured the top tunnel, which is being excavated along Cambie Street between 11th and 12th avenues, and found two sections were too narrow.

One was out by 20 centimetres (eight inches); the other by 46 centimetres (18 inches).

The sections, which have already been dug and reinforced with shotcrete -- or spray-on concrete -- will now have to be redone, said Steve Crombie, spokesman for InTransitBC.

This will delay the building of the tunnel -- pouring the concrete and adding metal frames -- by more than a week and add extra costs to the project.

Crombie would not say how much more it would cost to redo the section, which would only require cutting panels out.

It's a tricky section, he said, because the stacked tunnel is narrower than side-by-side tunnel configurations. But he added it would not affect the completion date for that section of the tunnel, which is set for the end of December.

"It's not going to throw off the completion," he said. "When we're going to pour the tunnel, we want to make sure it's absolutely precise."

Crombie said the Canada Line has already experienced a handful of similar miscalculations, which he said are a "logical normal step in the process."

He insists such problems are built into the $2-billion extension to the Lower Mainland's rapid transit system.

"This is probably the biggest one we've had so far but it's not significant," Crombie said. "One of the beauties of cut-and-cover [tunnels] is that when you run into problems you can leapfrog and go onto another piece."

But Gregor Robertson, NDP MLA for Vancouver-Fairview, said he isn't holding his breath that the project will be completed on time.

"They made big promises to all the merchants in Cambie Village that they'll have this part finished by the end of December," he said.

"The patience of small business owners on Cambie has long been worn out."

Dale Dubberley, owner of Thai Away Home, said she can't take much more of the construction, which was only supposed to disrupt her business for three months. Business is already down 49 per cent with lost revenue of $374,000 since construction began, she said.

Business owners say they have not been offered any compensation and many have already closed.

"I just want this over with; the impact is truly devastating," Dubberley said. "They're creating huge damage to a very small group of dedicated people. I can't understand how this is happening."

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I have to admit, the stations on the Canada Line seem really, really, really, really, really, (100x) small. How will passengers access the platforms; I mean the platforms seem really narrow.
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I have to admit, the stations on the Canada Line seem really, really, really, really, really, (100x) small. How will passengers access the platforms; I mean the platforms seem really narrow.
Well, that's a product of very poor long-term planning and insufficient funding from governments and public sources.

I don't think there's really an issue with the width of the platforms, it's the 40/50-metre lengths that will be an issue in 10-15 years.

But there isn't anything we can do now, just wait and see.
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Well, that's a product of very poor long-term planning and insufficient funding from governments and public sources.

I don't think there's really an issue with the width of the platforms, it's the 40/50-metre lengths that will be an issue in 10-15 years.

But there isn't anything we can do now, just wait and see.
I know length is an issue, but I think width should also be another secondary issue. Like, if you had wider platforms, probably more people could wait there without need for crowd control measures. But if they have an event, say, and there's a swarm of people, it could get dangerously crowded. A wider platform of 40/50m length can always contain more people than a narrower platform of the same length.
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I know length is an issue, but I think width should also be another secondary issue. Like, if you had wider platforms, probably more people could wait there without need for crowd control measures. But if they have an event, say, and there's a swarm of people, it could get dangerously crowded. A wider platform of 40/50m length can always contain more people than a narrower platform of the same length.
Well, there's also the increase in cost.....our existing SkyTrain platforms get quite crowded when a train breaks down or during an event, and often crowd control measures are needed. For example, after the summer fireworks there are lines two blocks long outside of downtown stations entrances.

If they were going to spend money on having wider platforms, i'd rather see them spending it on longer platforms. Not only that but wider platforms are probably impossible since the stations are quite shallow compared to most systems around the world, and they are built under streets and bordered by buildings.
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