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Old November 10th, 2006, 11:20 PM   #141
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Old November 11th, 2006, 12:23 AM   #142
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Old November 11th, 2006, 12:38 AM   #143
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No, this is not how La Défense will look either in 2009 or 2011, because the so-called "tour signal" is missing, and some other towers such as the Ministry of Public Works tower are also missing.

For the second time, can an admin close this thread? This thread was opened more than a year ago when little was known of the La Défense regeneration project. It contains wrong information (about tower heights and completion dates), and it's redundant with the Paris - Full Summary of Projects thread, so please close it.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 12:40 AM   #144
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No, this is not how La Défense will look either in 2009 or 2011, because the so-called "tour signal" is missing, and some other towers such as the Ministry of Public Works tower are also missing.

For the second time, can an admin close this thread? This thread was opened more than a year ago when little was known of the La Défense regeneration project. It contains wrong information (about tower heights and completion dates), and it's redundant with the Paris - Full Summary of Projects thread, so please close it.
Well, I'll leave a local moderator closing it.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 12:45 AM   #145
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I've asked them before but they did nothing. There's very little response from moderators on SkyscraperCity I must say. I wrote to moderators in other instances in the past and never got any answer.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 06:38 AM   #146
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Oh god how I hate these 'star architect' designs that are UGLY AS HELL. Looks like a kid threw lego blocks together, now what's the story ? 'deconstructivism' ????

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Old November 11th, 2006, 10:53 AM   #147
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Yup I don't like this type of design, the type which looks like a bunch of cubes stacked on top of each other
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #148
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Oh god how I hate these 'star architect' designs that are UGLY AS HELL. Looks like a kid threw lego blocks together, now what's the story ? 'deconstructivism' ????
I agree. Fortunately, this project hasn't been accepted and won't be built.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:14 PM   #149
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I liked it, I think that with a real rendering and not a 200x300 crappy model picture, it had look pretty cool.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:18 PM   #150
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I looks like some sugar lumps stacked up! Well the design had a lot of personality imo. Such a shame it will not be buit eventually.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:43 PM   #151
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I liked it, I think that with a real rendering and not a 200x300 crappy model picture, it had look pretty cool.
Well, I always have the same issue with Nouvelle designs. This guy obviously hates windows and loves to give the impression that his buildings are totally isolated from the outside. Personally, I find that very claustrophobic, it makes me very uncomfortable.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:57 PM   #152
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I was hoping to see some more substancial renderings too. Too bad it got the chop.
It's overblown in its concept, confirming Nouvel does not shy away from being OTT, and this project really showed it, which, in his case, is rather a quality.
Has anybody seen any of his presentations? He details and explains his choices to the full, getting the full picture accross to you, bringing all the elements of the puzzle into his projects, really throughoutly.The guy's way out there, kudos to him.
Shame about the sketchy render, but i'm convinced this building could have made a world of difference in the french architectural landscape, had chosen materials for the tower been made available for all to see and fully appreciate this building.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 06:37 PM   #153
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Shame about the sketchy render, but i'm convinced this building could have made a world of difference in the french architectural landscape,
When people talk about architecture or urbanism, I often hear them complaining about French conservatism in those fields... however, could you find me one place where this design wouldn't have made a world of difference in the surrounding landscape ? Even in Dubai, this design would be felt as very "original".

Of course, Paris is dominated by Haussmanian's neo-classical buildings... is it that shameful ? There are already tons of buildings in Paris which have been specifically designed to break with that architectural dominance: The Bastille Opera, the Pyramids of the Louvre, the Pompidou Center, the Montparnasse tower, the mall of the Forum des Halles, the Italie 13 urban operation, the Front de Seine district, the Radio France building, the Bibliothèque Mitterrand, the whole design of La Défense based on an elevated esplanade, the cité de la Grande Borne, the Nuage towers, etc... I'm forgetting tons of them. Despite all these, Paris is still desperately dominated by Haussmanian architecture, and even worse, everything tends to prove it will still remain this way for a long time.

Seriously speaking, I don't believe that making buildings which are a world apart from the surrounding architecture is really the best approach. Something isn't necessarily pretty because it's original, and I would like French architects to insist more on esthetical considerations than in making something the most original as possible. In sponsoring too much ruptures, you generate people reluctant to change, because those ruptures aren't always succesful.
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Old November 11th, 2006, 07:08 PM   #154
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Oh perish the thought! I wasn't complaining, or lamenting the lack of originality in La Defense, as i enjoy the vast majority what's on offer there. I was merely pointing out the style is a departure from anything else preceding the rendering in post #146.

As for the best approach, there isn't one in my book.
I think the school of thought that favor a bold change in architectural design as an end to step into a new era is as valid as that that advocates a more smoother and conservatively ascending method of changing the built environment - in this case, skyscrapers.

I strongly believe that in order to rock the house, you have to give it a vigorous kick.
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Old November 12th, 2006, 03:07 PM   #155
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