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Old March 14th, 2006, 10:54 PM   #1
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Acropolis of Pergamon (Bergama)





Temple of Trajan









The Great Theatre of Pergamon







Roman Temple and Rotunda dedicated to Egyptian god Serapis (Greek name of Osiris)





Asklepeion



Theatre of Asklepeion



Distant view of the Acropolis of Pergamon (seen above the mountain) from the Columned Road









Temple of Athena







Temple of Demeter



Temple of Dionysos



Traianeum

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Old March 14th, 2006, 11:40 PM   #2
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30 minutes of driving distance away from my summer house in Ayvalik



Ayvalik:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315529
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Old March 15th, 2006, 05:41 AM   #3
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Altar of Zeus (in Berlin today)









Base of the altar in its original location





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Old March 15th, 2006, 08:39 AM   #4
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Excellent!!!!

Thanks for the pictures Asim. Few civilizations including the Egyptians and the Chinese could match this one. Unfortunately, few Greeks know that half of the Great men of Ancient Greece and their achievements come from this land. I don't know, I always believed in "the vibes" of the location. Back then, the best of Greece was there. Today, the best part of Turkey with the best and richest areas and the best people is on the west coast of this country.

The magic of the place...
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Old March 15th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #5
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great tour and pictures.

the Acropolis looks magnificent.
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i want the Altar of Zeus back
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so beautiful the altar should back to the base
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Old March 15th, 2006, 08:47 PM   #8
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The Altar of Zeus shared the same fate with the Parthenon Marbles of Athens.

They were both "gifted" by the Ottoman government which regarded them as "worthless pieces of old stone."

According to the agreement of archaeological works in Pergamon, the team of German archaeologists would leave all items of "precious material" (such as gold) to the Turks, but would have the permission to take away "items of worthless stone" (such as magnificent marble statues, the Altar of Zeus, etc.) to Germany.

Today, the items of "precious materials" (such as gold coins and tiny statues) can be seen at the Bergama Archaeological Museum, while items of "worthless old pieces of stone" (such as the Altar of Zeus, incredibly beautiful marble statues, etc.) can be seen at the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.

Luckily, the team of German archaeologists of the 1800s did not take away everything: Many gorgeous statues (including the unique Statue of Aphrodite) were discovered by Turkish archaeologists during the republican era (after 1923) and can be seen at the Bergama Archaeological Museum today.

The same "trick" was successfully used by Lord Elgin in Athens and the Parthenon Marbles: Leave the "precious items" to the Turks, take away the "worthless pieces of old stone" to Britain (first to his own countryside estate, later handed over to the British Museum in London.)

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The Altar of Zeus was cut carefully into several pieces, loaded to a ship, went to the port of Hamburg, loaded to a train, and finally went to Berlin where it was rebuilt piece by piece in the Pergamon Museum which was especially built for displaying the treasure.

A magnificent gift from civilized Anatolia to a place where such a splendid ancient civilization never existed.

Totally exotic for their eyes.
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Can you see the road which turns around the mountain for almost 360 degrees and goes uphill?



The last time I drove there with my Fiat Bravo (Gregory will remember my symphony blue Fiat Bravo, I sold it 3 years ago) my girlfriend April turned on the radio and all that we could hear were Greek radio stations coming from the nearby island of Lesvos, with sirtaki on some stations and even a live Greek Orthodox religious hymn in one of them, which contributed to the overall "ancient Greece" atmosphere.

Actually, about 15 minutes after leaving Ayvalik, on the countryside road to Bergama and Izmir which goes through an infinite horizon of olive groves (an ocean of olive trees everywhere) for some reason suddenly my favourite Turkish radio stations (like Metro FM, Power FM) disappear and all that you can hear are Greek radio stations from Lesvos.

The good thing about internet and satellite technology, however, is that you can listen to your favourite stations anywhere on the planet.

Including Milan

http://www.metrofm.com.tr

http://www.powerfm.com.tr/tikladinle.asp

http://www.joyfm.com.tr

http://www.rockfm.com.tr

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Interesting story and nice thread.
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i want the Altar of Zeus back
Yes, give them back to Turkey, they belong to us.
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so beautiful the altar should back to the base
And when you get it, we want it back from you....
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:19 PM   #15
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it is mineeeeeeeeee
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My beautiful hometown.

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Maybe at least will be nice to have something like a reconstruction of the altar of Zeus there
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Beautiful pictures, and thanks!
Just to clarity, no one got "tricked" into the agreement for archaeologists to literally save the artifacts for posterity.
The Germans were first to appreciate the role of archaeology in world culture and preservation, and thankfully respected the ruins that locals and local governments disregarded. Rather than whine about what was willingly and transparently agreed to a very long time ago, give praise to the people with insight and foresight who rescued the works from what would very likely have been further plundering and destruction.
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That is right, keepthepast.

First, Turkey approached Germany first to take and display.
Second, Germany paid and shared.
Third, It was Greek culture. Not saying that the altar doesn't belong here, but Greece would go on the barricades.
And fourth: In this very minute, the Turkish government is displacing and destroying with bull dowsers and military forces 2000 Year old monasteries! I know of three different ones. As well as churches! Just look on YouTube. Btw. Building a new church is illegal in Turkey today.
Until this religious nonsense stops, nothing will be put back.

Because the Altar of Zeus is a religious artifact! Or used to. No difference for Muslims.
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Too bad no one in Europe thought to purchase Palmyra from the Ottomans back in the day.

Now Palmyra and everything else worth a damn in present day Syria and Iraq has been forever erased from the face of the earth
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